Bobby Evans The Enigma

[Riverumbbq]

Well I seriously doubt that ? Bruss is going to have to get some NFL experience. Shelton who just signed a 3 year deal has proven himself.He will not play in the preseason.

Noteboom,Edwards,Allen & Havenstien will all sit out preseason game as well a Shelton.There is nothing this guys need to prove.

I’m just curious is MAX doesn’t play center at all ? I wonder why I’m the only one thinking he will get some experience there ? Kolone will get some looks,but the 3rd center spot
is for the taking.There is a rookie from SJS ?

At 6'7 1/2", I doubt Pircher gets Center snaps. It's more likely that Kolone and the projected OG UDFA Jack Snyder out of San Jose State share snaps at Center imo.

 

[oldnotdead]

Edwards is the weak link in this OL and like Evans is a converted OT. Both Edwards and Havenstein are in contract years. Both IMO are comp picks in the making. If they continue to play Edwards at LG that will be the only reason because he's a marginal player as a OG. He might have been better if he stayed an OT. Edwards is a backup level player at this point. He lacks sand, i.e. he doesn't anchor and gets out muscled too many times. He gets beat by speed and a bullrush.

If McVay wants to upgrade the OL then he needs to play Shelton at LG. This TC is the final opportunity for Evans to prove he can play on the OL. That said it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't make the final cut.

 

[OntarioRam]

I am not a Bobby Evans fan. He can be used for second-tier depth and little else. I would not even want him as first man up in the event of injures. I suspect that the Rams agree, given how he has fallen down the depth chart.

Unlike some, I am a huge Havenstein fan and have defended him endlessly. I am not sure when is contract is up, but at its end, even though I am a fan, I think it might be time to move on from Big Rob. He is a bigger RT and already struggles with speed and bull rushers in his youth/physical prime. I would not want to see him on the down-slide, as by that point, what is currently a weakness in his game - and all linemen have some - might be so exploitable as to neuter him. Better to move on early than late. The poster that said Big Rob will likely not age anything close to how well Whitworth did is spot on in my estimation. He also has a decent cap hit. Havenstein is still a high quality RT, and those do not grow on trees, so I am not looking to move on ASAP per se, but it is definitely time for the Rams start thinking about a succession plan at RT, if they are not already. They do have some names in house that are intriguing.

 

[So Ram]

IMO, it's between, Evans, Arcuri & Brewer. Brewer struggled last year too, so we'll have to see how he handles things, but again, I do believe if Arcuri can showcase the ability to hold up well and offer some push in the run game, he could be 9th OL kept as the Rams begin the season.

The AJ Jackson signing goes totally under the radar on how The Rams build there franchise,especially now if that Covid type roster is kept in place.
I think that letting practice squad get NFL experience is a must to help young players develop.There is so much that goes into being an NFL player .
As a USC fan I always remember how The NFL & NCAA got together & F’d up players coming out early.Now that is all good if they keep this outlet to give players more to expand there NFL experience & roster spots.
Having the bigger practice squad & the change of allowing 2 times to get called up at no cost is excellent all the way around.

 

[So Ram]

Edwards is the weak link in this OL and like Evans is a converted OT. Both Edwards and Havenstein are in contract years. Both IMO are comp picks in the making. If they continue to play Edwards at LG that will be the only reason because he's a marginal player as a OG. He might have been better if he stayed an OT. Edwards is a backup level player at this point. He lacks sand, i.e. he doesn't anchor and gets out muscled too many times. He gets beat by speed and a bullrush.

If McVay wants to upgrade the OL then he needs to play Shelton at LG. This TC is the final opportunity for Evans to prove he can play on the OL. That said it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't make the final cut.

The Rams should just cut all the Wisconsin Badgers. Would make it easier just to get rid of 2 SuperBowl winning offensive lineman & The Rams top draft pick in 2022. They are so overated & the weak links.

To think The Rams had a forsite to keep Big Rob Havenstien as the leader of the O”Line when he himself can’t stop a pass rush on the edge.
His contract could be used so much better.He never out played his contract.
Edwards being a starting guard as a 5th rd pick for his first 3seasons is so tragic.For GOSH sakes,what a bust & weak link. Don’t know what McSnead is thinking??

Maybe should have been in blue font.

 

[Merlin]

At 6'7 1/2", I doubt Pircher gets Center snaps. It's more likely that Kolone and the projected OG UDFA Jack Snyder out of San Jose State share snaps at Center imo.

Yeah Pircher's ass would probably be at Stafford's chest.

 

[So Ram]

At 6'7 1/2", I doubt Pircher gets Center snaps. It's more likely that Kolone and the projected OG UDFA Jack Snyder out of San Jose State share snaps at Center imo.

I just seem to recall him getting work inside as a guard or center.His body type from seeing him taking extra work with Hoecht.
6’7 ? He just looks like he has a natural knee bend. .We’ll see, I could be totally wrong.Hard to get out of my mind & think he will be a OT.

 

[Memento]

Noteboom, Edwards, Allen, Bruss and Havenstein backed up by
A.Jackson, Anchrum, Shelton & ?????????

Arcuri?
Brewer?
Kolone?
Ealy?
Evans?
Pircher?
Snyder?

Honestly think we keep ten...and Arcuri and Pircher are the other backups. I see Snyder as practice squad material. I don't see us keeping Evans unless he seriously improves.

 

[Neil039]

After reading the majority of the posts about Edwards I have to believe the staff feel about the same. Scratching their heads wondering what/who the have in Edwards moving forward.

The Rams have invested in him, it feels like a return in investment is in order.

 

[rdlkgliders]

Absolutely right...Wife is visiting her mother and after working out this morning I'm enjoying my fine Columbian Beverage and felt like pontificating.

I thought maybe you had hired a ghostwriter, JK.
Well Done DTC, I would love to see things click for Evens in TC but have my doubts. That is a competitive group with a lot of similar talent. I think someone under contract will be moved and right now Evans is a good guess

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I don't understand the hate Hav gets. He's a legit starter. Glad many here are not the GMs. I'd keep him on our team and wouldn't be surprised if and when the Rams re-sign him.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

By the way...

 

[ReekofRams]

I don't understand the hate Hav gets. He's a legit starter. Glad many here are not the GMs. I'd keep him on our team and wouldn't be surprised if and when the Rams re-sign him.

The only one here that I’ve noticed that seems to always be hating on Havs is @oldnotdead, and doing so without any justification.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

The only one here that I’ve noticed that seems to always be hating on Havs is @oldnotdead, and doing so without any justification.

Well, I guess I should be clearer but I don't understand being ok with letting someone of this guys caliber walk. He has held down that RT spot like a champ, a SB champ to be much clearer. I get people would like to see the young o lineman step up, but you just don't move on from a starter like Hav that has been a great starter for us.

 

[jrry32]

On the Rams draft vid episode two at the end McVay was adamant about finding a starter at that round 3 pick. I think that says it all. Rams depth guys are just depth. None of them were diamonds in the rough.

After this season they're going to need to replace Edwards too. It's either sign him (which I think is unlikely) or replace him in the draft. So hopefully they do what they just did with Bruss again this time next year.

I'm still intrigued by Tremayne Anchrum.

 

[oldnotdead]

Nobody but media and fans use PFF. So many of their so-called evaluations have been debunked I wonder how people still believe in them. They claim they evaluate every play of every game. BS

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Nobody but media and fans use PFF. So many of their so-called evaluations have been debunked I wonder how people still believe in them. They claim they evaluate every play of every game. BS

Ok, I'll just state facts on Hav. He allowed 7 sacks all year in 15 games he started in. He was also part of a line that was amongst the league best in protecting the QB. Not only that, he's one of our best run blockers. Here's a quote from our coach as well as a NFL expert weighing in on Hav, but I'm guessing they wouldn't know anything.

 

[bubbaramfan]

A lot of position groups to watch this TC. For the OL it will be telling to see who is 2nd team. Last year Aleric Jackson was almost exclusivly behind Big Whit at LT. Same with Anchrum behind Havenstien at RT.

Those two started every pre-season game at LT and RT. I would think that shows who Carberry and McVay like as their backup Tackles. Of course they will mix thing up in TC, but when it comes time for pre=season games, the guys that start will be the leading guys for backup, since MVay will not play any of his startes in pre-season.

 

[fearsomefour]

Well written piece Den.
Good read.
Evans biggest issue to me is his balance is pass protection. He lunges out and gets his nose over toes. Pass rushers with a move or two can just run past him because of his lack of balance. Noteboom had the same issue and he still ends up on the ground way too often as a blocker. But, Noteboom managed to greatly greatly improve in his pass blocking to the point he is a viable NFL LT.
What makes Evens interesting is his run blocking. The man can be a force run blocking, but, it does not make up for his other deficiencies.
I rewatched the games from 2019 (back in 2019) and Evans DID NOT receive help very much from TEs or RBs when he was playing RT. This is a misnomer that keeps getting repeated on the board. I rewatched ALL of those games and posted the number back then, total number of passing plays and number of times he received help. A couple of times a game he received help, but, not often. More often than not the ball was out quickly which protected against his sub par play. Evans was left on the island at RT and the passing game survived it because of play calling.
I don't think Evans makes the squad this year without improvement.
Its an assumption to say he hasn't improved because he doesn't have interest. He may be dong tons of work in that regard and just may not be capable.
I do think Bruss will be given every opportunity to win the RG spot. But, he too, has some pass blocking issues so the team won't have to put up with his issues very often having Shelton under contract.
That said, all three Ram interior OL have struggled with being over powered in both the running and passing game the last couple of years. Shelton continued this. Shelton given the Rams quality depth at all three interior spots and has earned the Rams staff trust with his solid play. But, Bruss, with his run blocking in particular, was drafted to start in my opinion.
Who will step up for the last couple of depth spots on the OL?
Hard to tell and should make for an entertaining competition in the preseason.
Anchrum and Jackson both accounted for themselves well last year in emergency duty. Nice surprises from both, but, not enough a sample size to make a judgement really.
Shelton, Anchrum, Jackson, Brewer are the favorites for the depth spots to me (with Bruss as a starter).

 

[fearsomefour]

Ok, I'll just state facts on Hav. He allowed 7 sacks all year in 15 games he started in. He was also part of a line that was amongst the league best in protecting the QB. Not only that, he's one of our best run blockers. Here's a quote from our coach as well as a NFL expert weighing in on Hav, but I'm guessing they wouldn't know anything.

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Big Hav played well last year after having a bad year the year before.
That could have been caused by injury or something else.

His size works against him a bit, as it does with most massive lineman. A smaller speed rusher that can play with some bend and get low....very hard for those guys to stay in front a smaller speed rusher.

Havenstein is a very good RT in my estimation. The Rams extended him for a good reason.....and this is an org that does not prioritize spending on the interior OL....but, they value their Tackles.

At any rate, the team certainly doesn't have anyone near his level to replace him, so, that won't happen until they do.