Baldy's Breakdowns - Horrible Safety Play

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The play sucked and it was a mistake by two very young safeties learning a new system. They over the top hyperbole, I'm calling it this because citing the lack of intelligent thought put into scrapping the new DC and his whole system after one road game vs a playoff team would just get you in trouble, it just comical and was a great side dish to my coffee this morning. Thank you for the laughs going into the work day.
 

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It's just especially heartbreaking because this is the exact same way we were booted from the playoffs last year. Giving up two third and long completions to Garappolo in the final minutes last season sealed our fate and was one of the things that sealed Wade Phillips fate.

That was the infamous Rapp play where Ramsey started yelling at him for not doing his job that did us in for that game also. Those plays were probably stuck in Les Snead's head when looking at safeties in the draft and wouldn't doubt was a heavy influencer on Fuller being drafted.
 

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My fear is that Staley is the new Peter Giunta. I'm not calling for the stupid gambles of Haslett, but this defense lacks the front four to pressure the passer other than AD. Corner blitzes by the wiffmeister Hill isn't effective. This defense needs to attack more from other angles.
 

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It's just especially heartbreaking because this is the exact same way we were booted from the playoffs last year. Giving up two third and long completions to Garappolo in the final minutes last season sealed our fate and was one of the things that sealed Wade Phillips fate.

And don't forget the Cowboys game this season could have gone down exactly the same way. We got lucky there.

Get that sh@t fixed Staley. Hopefully we don't miss the playoffs by one game again this year.
Injuries, bad OL play, penalties, missed kicks, missed throws, not running the ball well, coverage scheme issues, play calling and the list goes on......
It’s never one game.
 

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My fear is that Staley is the new Peter Giunta. I'm not calling for the stupid gambles of Haslett, but this defense lacks the front four to pressure the passer other than AD. Corner blitzes by the wiffmeister Hill isn't effective. This defense needs to attack more from other angles.
The next two weeks offer some opportunities to be more creative facing young QBs.
Man, zone, a mix man-zone....mix up coverage and blitzes.
And facing young QBs have to make the Os one dimensional. Stopping first down runs has to be job one.
It seems Staley wants to play a very straight ahead and conservative D early then adjust at half time.
Low risk/reward early.
Would like to see more mixed coverages and blitzes early the next two weeks.
 

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Honestly Wade never had the right guys to make his defense special. He had some pieces, but it never really got loaded up for him to do his thing at the level he has shown he can coach at. When most boards turned against Wade I never did, even when the Rams elected to go another way and fans were taking victory laps feeling all vindicated and shit. Because I knew he didn't have the right pieces. And btw keep in mind whose unit performed in the Super Bowl. Just sayin.

Now we have Staley who is a young DC in his first job, and who doesn't have the right pieces either. Shall we burn him at the stake? He's not only going to need more time, but more drafts to field the defense he wants to field. Probably the same folks wanting to pour gas on him right now after one game tbh. But I'm going to do the same thing with him that I did with Wade and recognize that he's not coordinating with a full deck

And yes I realize that in the NFL you gotta get by with what you can. But talent really does matter folks. Fit really does matter. Fans don't want to be bothered by all that when they can light the coaching staff on fire though.

Where does this roster come up short? ROLB and ILB. Probably we need a nickel CB too. Of those positions we may have answers at ILB and nickel CB. And maybe we'll get a miracle at ROLB. But chances are Staley is going to need to raise the bar on his blitz packages and potency to compensate for ROLB the rest of the way, particularly when he faces a deep playoff offense like that of Buffalo.
 

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It's not Rapps fault IMO. He's been benched and then goes out there cold. I bet he hadn't even practiced the scheme. Look at the rest of the DBs they are all confused and lost out there. THAT IS POOR COACHING NOTHING LESS. One guy okay, but not the entire secondary. They know Staley's scheme is FU and a mish-mosh of this and that and it makes no sense so your damn right even the vets are confused. When you have a 3 man d-line with one purposefully aligned playing a 2 gap technique than the other 2 playing one gap, that's a damn DC who doesn't know WTF he's doing.

Snead needs to intervene and fire this clown.

Of course that is the first thing you do is blame the coach. I’m not saying your not right in Staley making bad calls ??

WTF - though? I did not see the game,but Aaron Donald went off in the last couple of series. 3Rd(4th)22. Tyler Rapp sucks imo.
I’ll just go off what you said earlier before the season about JJ & Rapp. Who is the FS??
Just shows you Snead knows what he is doing when Fuller is a 6th rd starter.His Offensive Line picks are not bad either. I still wonder if Evans is better than Havenstien at RT. Either easy The Rams have depth up front which you claimed they & Kromer sucks.
I drink to much Kool-side,but lossing to Buffalo on the road was in the books on paper. Tough loss & once I view the game I might have another opinion.I just not a Tyler Rapp fan.I do hope he proves me wrong.I’ve just never seen it 100%. He is tough & makes good tackles.
 

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You guys can argue about whether this last drive meltdown with 3rd-and-22 and 3rd-and-25 were the fault of Staley or the player execution, but in a culture of taking ownership, how can you not blame Staley ultimately? These impossible-to-gain first downs happened with many players defending GRASS? This is definitely a coaching thing.

If you have coached the team to guard grass instead of threat, you give up plays exactly what we saw. Most teams this results in an INT because the D has the manpower to defend the line-to-gain while giving up short yardage. With this D, we give up both and defend grass.

Watching these plays literally made me vomit in my mouth. It's a pet peeve that lives aside my other pet peeve of man-on-man CBs not turning around to catch or bat the ball. And to me, that falls on coaching. They did practice for weeks. These are professional NFL defenders. Elite of the elite. I don't care if you're 1st string, or 3rd, you wouldn't be defending grass with no threat within 20 yards if you got chewed out when you did that in practice...
 

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I don’t think Rapps as good as he’s perceived. There were quite a few times last year he got beaten like a racist in BLM parade.
good athletes don’t always have the best football instincts. Cough cough Aaron curry.
Or a racist at a 4th of July parade.....
 

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I remember McVay calling a timeout. The announcers said our defense looked confused. Idk wtf is happening
 

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You guys can argue about whether this last drive meltdown with 3rd-and-22 and 3rd-and-25 were the fault of Staley or the player execution, but in a culture of taking ownership, how can you not blame Staley ultimately? These impossible-to-gain first downs happened with many players defending GRASS? This is definitely a coaching thing.
Dude of course Staley is ultimately to blame. But should we just say "welp we lost guess Staley needs to get better." Is that an answer? Because it's not JUST him that needs to get better. The players need to unfuck their mistakes and play the fucking call. The call on this play was fine, there was no mismatch and at every level the play by the Bills was accounted for. But one player fucked this up. And another probably gave away the scheme pre-snap as well. And lastly a rookie who was IN POSITION because of a good defensive call slipped on his break and was late otherwise it would have been 4th and a mile instead of 4th and 8 on the next play.

So let's take a look and clear this shit up...

Pre-snap we see Rapp make a mistake in where he lines up. He has responsibility over the top of Williams and Hill here, but throughout the game that was joggled around to keep the Bills guessing (Williams was on an island at times with Ramsey having help for example). Problem is he doesn't line up in the split safety look that the Rams usually show, where they switch post-snap. Instead he has crept over pre-snap and that gives Allen the whole fucking defensive call. Basically at this point he knows Ramsey is on an island and Burgess has the middle. And he knows it's man underneath to his left.
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At the drop things look pretty good for LA. I would say most young QBs in this situation jump on the back with the outlet pass here and pick up what they can. But Allen wants Diggs, who is Johnson's guy, and not only is Johnson in position here but the defensive call anticipated this and has a safety sitting over the top no matter what direction Diggs goes. The RB in the flat is probably a 5-8 yard gain which the defense accepts and probably prefers.
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A beat later Diggs is about to make his cut. He has Johnson beat by a step but at this point it's not a huge concern because the safety (Burgess) is there. In fact you can see that Allen stared down Diggs the entire fucking route but Burgess either isn't watching his eyes or is terrified Diggs will get behind him and doesn't drift up to allow himself a better chance to break on the ball.
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Ball is in the air. Burgess breaks on it and might have a shot to disrupt or pick it off because his positioning isn't great but it's pretty fucking good. Now with Allen and that gun he has it's tougher on the DBs but still the Rams have a guy in position to make the play.
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Burgess slips instead and goes down, giving the receiver time to make an uncontested catch and a huge gainer.
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So the probs on that play the way I see it...

1. Rookie safety doesn't position himself for the INT and then slips. Fuller would have probably picked it off.
2. Johnson flips his hips and drops out of chase when he sees Burgess which gives a clean throwing lane.
3. Rapp lines up wrong pre-snap.

There is zero issue with that call. Maybe he could have called a blitz but I have no problem with the safe approach there. Nine times out of ten I like our chances, especially when you have two guys pressed into action back there.
 

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It's most frustrating that the damn soft Zone stuff usually bites you in the ass. You're paying guys like Ramsey to man up and make a play, let them do it. Never in the history of Football has a 3 man rush on 3rd or 4th and Long with soft coverage on the back side work.

I wish they'd man up, bring the house and at least try to win the game rather than play to no lose.
 

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Did anyone see Donald blatantly held on the 3rd and 22.

Donald was passed the tackle and the tackle held on to Donald. Donald literally gets pulled backwards and then the lineman lets go of Donald.

How do Refs miss these calls.

It's one thing to hold Donald when Donald is in front of you but when Donald is pulled backwards when he is behind you.

That should be called holding 100% of the time.

And I think it was Brockers fell down flat on his face while rushing the passer.

I have to agree with some posters that the field sucked with people slipping all over the place.

Burgess completely slipped on the 3rd and 25.
 

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So the probs on that play the way I see it...

1. Rookie safety doesn't position himself for the INT and then slips. Fuller would have probably picked it off.
2. Johnson flips his hips and drops out of chase when he sees Burgess which gives a clean throwing lane.
3. Rapp lines up wrong pre-snap.

There is zero issue with that call. Maybe he could have called a blitz but I have no problem with the safe approach there. Nine times out of ten I like our chances, especially when you have two guys pressed into action back there.


I'm not calling to fire Staley, but that first half was ugly. I know they travelled a lot recently but it looked like a potential 56-6 loss. This defense has a lot of work to do.
 

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Kiser needs to tackle the tight end when he lets the tight end get passed him for the game winning TD

A penalty at that point would have been fine with me if he gets beaten like that.