Aug-05 Camp Thread

[OldSchool]

Yeah, but Old School is a pretty good dude. I think some of the city-bashing on both sides is over the top, too.

It just gets so damned old! We're having a nice talk about the days training camp then somebody has to go and be a monkey flinging poo in the zoo for no damned reason at all.

 

[Force16X]

I don't and never have lived in LA sorry. The only time the Rams had me pissing and moaning is when they traded Dickerson away.

that and the fact they absolutely missed on most if not all of the picks they had from the trade. unlike dallas when they traded walker and went on to dominate the NFL for a few years after that.

 

[badnews]

Yeah, but Old School is a pretty good dude. I think some of the city-bashing on both sides is over the top, too. I get excited about the season, and then I hear guys saying, "They are LAs problem now...ten years of bad teams, they are going to have ten more..." etc. If it isn't fun anymore, it probably should be set aside. I know '95-97 were kind of a blur for me. I didn't "heal" probably until '98. I remember debating in the AOL days with guys about whether this Warner guy was any good at quarterback.

Peace Rams bro.

Nothing I said was deserving of the response I got. My comment about support wasn't a dig at any city, just a a fact. I want the Rams to have awesome support, not go through what it has been. 10 straight years of losing makes fans not care. Here, there, everywhere. When the new wears off, people will expect a winner. If they don't get it, support will suffer.

Seriously, what did I write that deserved the crap response about "whining" and "up votes" and all that other over the top bs? Nothing.

And sorry to the small handful who want all St Louis fans to go away. Tough shit. This has been my team for 30 years. Me and the teams past are not going anywhere.

 

[OldSchool]

that and the fact they absolutely missed on most if not all of the picks they had from the trade. unlike dallas when they traded walker and went on to dominate the NFL for a few years after that.

The RG3 trade picks they missed on? I'm not sure I agree but I get your point

 

[badnews]

It just gets so damned old! We're having a nice talk about the days training camp then somebody has to go and be a monkey flinging poo in the zoo for no damned reason at all.

Go Rams buddy woo-hoo!!!!
Happiness and sunshine, yeah!!!

 

[OldSchool]

Nothing I said was deserving of the response I got. My comment about support wasn't a dig at any city, just a a fact. I want the Rams to have awesome support, not go through what it has been. 10 straight years of losing makes fans not care. Here, there, everywhere. When the new wears off, people will expect a winner. If they don't get it, support will suffer.

Seriously, what did I write that deserved the crap response about "whining" and "up votes" and all that other over the top bs? Nothing.

And sorry to the small handful who want all St Louis fans to go away. Tough crap. This has been my team for 30 years. Me and the teams past are not going anywhere.

I'm pretty sure this is the first time I quoted or directly responded to a comment you made. There were plenty of stupid comments to LA and to StL in this thread and many others the last couple days. Sooner or later people will realize they accomplish nothing and stop them. Hopefully. The reddit comment was a suggestion for some people when they feel they wanna express themselves in a way that will start an argument there is a place where those comments are welcomed. I never have and never will suggest, encourage or try to force somebody to leave this board or another.

All I'm saying, for about the millionth time in the last year, that snide comments directed at either city are unecessary and generally void of fact. I've been pretty consistent in this feeling and I'll go to my grave wondering why the fans of the NFL team with the smallest fan base feel the need to crap on each other.

 

[Roman Snow]

Nothing I said was deserving of the response I got. My comment about support wasn't a dig at any city, just a a fact. I want the Rams to have awesome support, not go through what it has been. 10 straight years of losing makes fans not care. Here, there, everywhere. When the new wears off, people will expect a winner. If they don't get it, support will suffer.

Seriously, what did I write that deserved the crap response about "whining" and "up votes" and all that other over the top bs? Nothing.

And sorry to the small handful who want all St Louis fans to go away. Tough crap. This has been my team for 30 years. Me and the teams past are not going anywhere.

I don't want you to go away. As I said, both sides can be pretty cold. The more we just focus on the team, the better. :cheers:

 

[kurtfaulk]

The fans didnt need to call for the Warner benching. Warner benched himself with his play. He was OUTPLAYED by Bulger at the time, and continued to be until 5 years later. Warner was historically bad in 02, he was the sole reason we missed the playoffs. His turnovers, his fumbles, his hand issue.

He was injured. He was a year removed from being the mvp. Martz made him play a must win game with a broken hand. He needed some support, not derision. Never got any support from the team. Unbelievable the way he was treated.

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[badnews]

I'm pretty sure this is the first time I quoted or directly responded to a comment you made. There were plenty of stupid comments to LA and to StL in this thread and many others the last couple days. Sooner or later people will realize they accomplish nothing and stop them. Hopefully. The reddit comment was a suggestion for some people when they feel they wanna express themselves in a way that will start an argument there is a place where those comments are welcomed. I never have and never will suggest, encourage or try to force somebody to leave this board or another.

All I'm saying, for about the millionth time in the last year, that snide comments directed at either city are unecessary and generally void of fact. I've been pretty consistent in this feeling and I'll go to my grave wondering why the fans of the NFL team with the smallest fan base feel the need to crap on each other.

If I shouldn't lump fans together based on comments others have made, I would expect you to feel the same. You absolutely were responding to my statements when you mentioned. "tolerance".
I think it sucks they moved. But I post here frequently and rarely say a thing about it. I CERTAINLY don't rip on LA fans in any way that I wouldn't on STL fans.

I get your frustration. I have plenty too. Let's move on and be fans of the Rams. You can put up with a little monkey poo, just like we can put up with it being rubbed in our faces Every. Single. Day.

Either way, I'm over this little squabble. I want to get this back to a football conversation, so even if there is more said i don't agree with, ill ignore it and move on.
You're a rams fan, so am I. We both want to see them win.
I don't hold ill will towards you. Cheers man.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Let's not make this a city issue. Despite my agreement that fans need to recognize this is the NFL.

Thank you.

 

[badnews]

So...
Mike Thomas.
I think this guy is the genuine article.

Somebody said something about him reminds them of Bruce. #80 is my all time favorite Ram, so I don't use his comparison often, but... I'm not sure why, but I get a similar feeling. I think it's in his stride and body control. If he has the desire to be great, that's all he will need.

 

[A55VA6]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but Fisher said Goff "will probably play a half" vs Cowboys next Saturday night.

 

[den-the-coach]

I don't and never have lived in LA sorry. The only time the Rams had me pissing and moaning is when they traded Dickerson away.

Or win they lose consistently..Looking forward to a great year with young talent and a new coaching staff on the offensive side of the football.

 

[biggame1190]

He was injured. He was a year removed from being the mvp. Martz made him play a must win game with a broken hand. He needed some support, not derision. Never got any support from the team. Unbelievable the way he was treated.

.

This is a business and winning is what's important. At the TIME Warner (for whatever circumstances) was hurt and we were not going to wait FIVE to SIX years for the unlikely possibility that Warner would get healed, wear 2 gloves, and improve his decision making in the pocket.

The facts that mattered at the time. Winning and losing. Warner was 0-6 (on a 9 loss team mind you) as a starter in 2002, majority of those games we lost by 10 or less. Warner only mustered 1 TD pass in his first 4 starts that season, and in 6 games and 1 quarter of a 7th he had 17 total turnovers. Than

Bulger comes in for injuried Jamie Martin mind you, and is 7-0 as a starter, throws 14 TDs in them and is very impressive prime Bulger, gets us back to .500, before Warner gets back in the lineup to end our season.

Than guess what happens?? We show Warner that loyalty and support you claimed Martz didn't, and we start him in 2003 week 1. Guess what happened? He put the ball on the ground 6 times, and we only lost by 10 that game. He would have had that 12 win team, become a 7 win team if he remained starter. Bulger ends up being 18-3 as a starter between those seasons and is among the league in 4th quarter comebacks. And it takes Warner 5 years to find himself.

Bottom line the hot hand was the better option at the time for winning, in a business where winning is the matter. Clearly. Situations Happended with his hand yes, but not Martz or the fans fault for calling for a QB who was proven at the time to be a better option.

 

[Loyal]

Wow...This thread is supposed to be about Training Camp in 2016, not Warner vs Bulger, nor the resolved relocation drama. FOCUS.

 

[Merlin]

Ok so got back late after a post-practice stop that was in truth a derailment at Hooters. Had a great time, so from the top I gotta give the Rams org props on setting up a really fine venue. Picked up some gear for the kids, looked around and wished there was a beer stand, but learned later in practice why there is no beer stand which I'll cover in a moment.

First off watched the QBs doing all manner of basic drills. Handoffs, footwork, even making throws over the crossbar to each other I suppose to ensure the right arc is there I don't know. Got bored though, and will only note what everyone knows, which is that Keenum has some athleticism to him, Goff is incredibly light on his feet, and Mannion is a bit plodding in comparison to them.

I was very relieved to see Cooper out there. Watched him quite a bit with all the other WRs as they did their drills and then as they moved into the scrimmage, and he looked smooth with good hands, just as advertised. I presume the time he missed set him back a bit, and he didn't really stand out in a busting big plays kind of way or anything. But he is very bold in traffic and across the middle for a small dude, which is also not news to anyone here.

So right off the top what I saw was a defense that was bringin it. The offense made some plays that were impressive like Goff's beautiful pass down the middle that was on point, and they won some in the redzone, but looking a bit deeper at things many of the passes would have had some "blown up" receivers. TJ made some hits today that he did not follow through on, where he was in position to lay dudes the F out and he was not the only one. The secondary closed fast and swarmed, and the front seven was in the offensive backfield a lot. I think Fish was real happy with how the defense looked.

Back to the offense the protections were breaking down a reasonable amount as the DL in particular were going hard. There were quite a few passes that would not have gotten out of the pocket without that red jersey on the QB. I watched GRob struggle a couple times on edge rush (still his greatest weakness) and also do well, and across the OL it was much the same and I thought very good back and forth competition between the units. This is going to sound ridiculous, too, but it seemed like Keenum got more heat than Goff, and have no idea whether it's the line blocking being better when Goff was in there, the DL being afraid to hurt the #1 draft pick, or whatever. Goff did get swarmed quickly a couple times, like when he dropped to his knees it would have been a very fast sack in a live game so taking the sack and living to throw another day was a good decision by him vice forcing something. The dude who yelled that was probably the same one who yelled some other idiotic things, and our section was crackin jokes about how dudes like him are the reason why we can't have an effin beer truck.

The receivers overall had a good day I thought. Thomas is just, well, as someone said the other day about him "he belongs." Really the best way to put it. The dude straight stands out in that he's very big, and is already playing fast in this system. His feet are really quick, which is something to see with a guy his size. And Quick, man. I gotta admit the dude is looking great, he's like a different receiver from the one I've seen drop everything and run the wrong routes. Marquez goes 100% every single route and is showing good hands and body control, same exact thing with Spruce. Watched coach Groh doing the tennis ball routine with them midpoint and I continue to feel like this is an entirely different group of receivers now, where all of a sudden they all have solid to good hands. It's weird man. I mean today Britt had a focus drop, but overall he's movin and catching things and it just seems like an insane turnaround as an entire group so it will be interesting to see if it carries over to preseason games. I am REALLY looking forward to seeing that.

The TEs are similar to the above as well in that this group straight catches the ball now with good hands as a unit. Higbee is just downright ridiculous. The dude is huge, has a big catch radius, moves like a WR, and just makes whoever throws him the ball look great. Watched him in drills with Thompson throwing the ball I think it was, and he reels the catch in smoothly before having a couple DBs who due to his size get just as good as they gave on the hits. Kendricks looks so much more consistent too, but when you watch these guys live it's just not even a comparison in terms of imagining who's gonna add what to this passing game.

Run game had some good moments but it's just too hard to tell whether the back would be down if they were playing for real. The D as I mentioned was bringin it, but it did seem like they're aware they don't want to be wrapping Gurley up and driving him to the ground like they would in a game. But still, the dude is so damn good he just makes it look easy. Aaron Green in both phases flashed and is really busting his butt to make this roster. Had a really nice run but the pass he caught was more impressive and like all the good catches I saw today had the crowd appreciation going.

So last but not least the QBs. Here's where I differ from a lot of what I read tweet-wise. The sack and the moron yelling whatever he yelled don't matter as I was very pleased overall with Goff's play. He put up a couple "rookie" throws but also put that ball down the field in the face of the rush with calmness which is far more important and far more telling as to what to expect from him throughout the remainder of camp into preseason. Watching his snaps directly against Keenum's snaps and it's not like Goff is suffering by comparison to my eye. Keenum made some nice throws but most of his are short ranged and/or checkdowns, he's really the same guy I saw get overwhelmed by the whiners late last year. He made one redzone throw on a full run to the right and across his body for a scary TD but it's one I wouldn't want to see him attempt again. Goff in the redzone is an assassin. Dude was droppin dimes on the corner route and across the middle for a TD (at least I think that one was from him to Higbee had a lady chatting with us that was a big distraction).

Tried to download it while I remember it still. Bottom line is this practice only served to boost my excitement about this offense. This team has some significant difference maker type players and we might be witnessing many elements finally coming together on the offensive side of the ball.

 

[kurtfaulk]

This is a business and winning is what's important. At the TIME Warner (for whatever circumstances) was hurt and we were not going to wait FIVE to SIX years for the unlikely possibility that Warner would get healed, wear 2 gloves, and improve his decision making in the pocket.

The facts that mattered at the time. Winning and losing. Warner was 0-6 (on a 9 loss team mind you) as a starter in 2002, majority of those games we lost by 10 or less. Warner only mustered 1 TD pass in his first 4 starts that season, and in 6 games and 1 quarter of a 7th he had 17 total turnovers. Than

Bulger comes in for injuried Jamie Martin mind you, and is 7-0 as a starter, throws 14 TDs in them and is very impressive prime Bulger, gets us back to .500, before Warner gets back in the lineup to end our season.

Than guess what happens?? We show Warner that loyalty and support you claimed Martz didn't, and we start him in 2003 week 1. Guess what happened? He put the ball on the ground 6 times, and we only lost by 10 that game. He would have had that 12 win team, become a 7 win team if he remained starter. Bulger ends up being 18-3 as a starter between those seasons and is among the league in 4th quarter comebacks. And it takes Warner 5 years to find himself.

Bottom line the hot hand was the better option at the time for winning, in a business where winning is the matter. Clearly. Situations Happended with his hand yes, but not Martz or the fans fault for calling for a QB who was proven at the time to be a better option.

They threw his ass to the kerb after 6 games. 6. A franchise qb. Who does that?

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[Loyal]

Ok so got back late after a post-practice stop that was in truth a derailment at Hooters. Had a great time, so from the top I gotta give the Rams org props on setting up a really fine venue. Picked up some gear for the kids, looked around and wished there was a beer stand, but learned later in practice why there is no beer stand which I'll cover in a moment.

First off watched the QBs doing all manner of basic drills. Handoffs, footwork, even making throws over the crossbar to each other I suppose to ensure the right arc is there I don't know. Got bored though, and will only note what everyone knows, which is that Keenum has some athleticism to him, Goff is incredibly light on his feet, and Mannion is a bit plodding in comparison to them.

I was very relieved to see Cooper out there. Watched him quite a bit with all the other WRs as they did their drills and then as they moved into the scrimmage, and he looked smooth with good hands, just as advertised. I presume the time he missed set him back a bit, and he didn't really stand out in a busting big plays kind of way or anything. But he is very bold in traffic and across the middle for a small dude, which is also not news to anyone here.

So right off the top what I saw was a defense that was bringin it. The offense made some plays that were impressive like Goff's beautiful pass down the middle that was on point, and they won some in the redzone, but looking a bit deeper at things many of the passes would have had some "blown up" receivers. TJ made some hits today that he did not follow through on, where he was in position to lay dudes the F out and he was not the only one. The secondary closed fast and swarmed, and the front seven was in the offensive backfield a lot. I think Fish was real happy with how the defense looked.

Back to the offense the protections were breaking down a reasonable amount as the DL in particular were going hard. There were quite a few passes that would not have gotten out of the pocket without that red jersey on the QB. I watched GRob struggle a couple times on edge rush (still his greatest weakness) and also do well, and across the OL it was much the same and I thought very good back and forth competition between the units. This is going to sound ridiculous, too, but it seemed like Keenum got more heat than Goff, and have no idea whether it's the line blocking being better when Goff was in there, the DL being afraid to hurt the #1 draft pick, or whatever. Goff did get swarmed quickly a couple times, like when he dropped to his knees it would have been a very fast sack in a live game so taking the sack and living to throw another day was a good decision by him vice forcing something. The dude who yelled that was probably the same one who yelled some other idiotic things, and our section was crackin jokes about how dudes like him are the reason why we can't have an effin beer truck.

The receivers overall had a good day I thought. Thomas is just, well, as someone said the other day about him "he belongs." Really the best way to put it. The dude straight stands out in that he's very big, and is already playing fast in this system. His feet are really quick, which is something to see with a guy his size. And Quick, man. I gotta admit the dude is looking great, he's like a different receiver from the one I've seen drop everything and run the wrong routes. Marquez goes 100% every single route and is showing good hands and body control, same exact thing with Spruce. Watched coach Groh doing the tennis ball routine with them midpoint and I continue to feel like this is an entirely different group of receivers now, where all of a sudden they all have solid to good hands. It's weird man. I mean today Britt had a focus drop, but overall he's movin and catching things and it just seems like an insane turnaround as an entire group so it will be interesting to see if it carries over to preseason games. I am REALLY looking forward to seeing that.

The TEs are similar to the above as well in that this group straight catches the ball now with good hands as a unit. Higbee is just downright ridiculous. The dude is huge, has a big catch radius, moves like a WR, and just makes whoever throws him the ball look great. Watched him in drills with Thompson throwing the ball I think it was, and he reels the catch in smoothly before having a couple DBs who due to his size get just as good as they gave on the hits. Kendricks looks so much more consistent too, but when you watch these guys live it's just not even a comparison in terms of imagining who's gonna add what to this passing game.

Run game had some good moments but it's just too hard to tell whether the back would be down if they were playing for real. The D as I mentioned was bringin it, but it did seem like they're aware they don't want to be wrapping Gurley up and driving him to the ground like they would in a game. But still, the dude is so damn good he just makes it look easy. Aaron Green in both phases flashed and is really busting his butt to make this roster. Had a really nice run but the pass he caught was more impressive and like all the good catches I saw today had the crowd appreciation going.

So last but not least the QBs. Here's where I differ from a lot of what I read tweet-wise. The sack and the moron yelling whatever he yelled don't matter as I was very pleased overall with Goff's play. He put up a couple "rookie" throws but also put that ball down the field in the face of the rush with calmness which is far more important and far more telling as to what to expect from him throughout the remainder of camp into preseason. Watching his snaps directly against Keenum's snaps and it's not like Goff is suffering by comparison to my eye. Keenum made some nice throws but most of his are short ranged and/or checkdowns, he's really the same guy I saw get overwhelmed by the whiners late last year. He made one redzone throw on a full run to the right and across his body for a scary TD but it's one I wouldn't want to see him attempt again. Goff in the redzone is an assassin. Dude was droppin dimes on the corner route and across the middle for a TD (at least I think that one was from him to Higbee had a lady chatting with us that was a big distraction).

Tried to download it while I remember it still. Bottom line is this practice only served to boost my excitement about this offense. This team has some significant difference maker type players and we might be witnessing many elements finally coming together on the offensive side of the ball.

Thanks for a great report, Merlin...Wow...I hope for great things with Goff and the WR group. Even with Keenum, having so many weapons to throw to could very well make us into a playoff team, as long as we keep Legatron of the field...:fuelfire:

 

[Picked4td]

Ok so got back late after a post-practice stop that was in truth a derailment at Hooters. Had a great time, so from the top I gotta give the Rams org props on setting up a really fine venue. Picked up some gear for the kids, looked around and wished there was a beer stand, but learned later in practice why there is no beer stand which I'll cover in a moment.

First off watched the QBs doing all manner of basic drills. Handoffs, footwork, even making throws over the crossbar to each other I suppose to ensure the right arc is there I don't know. Got bored though, and will only note what everyone knows, which is that Keenum has some athleticism to him, Goff is incredibly light on his feet, and Mannion is a bit plodding in comparison to them.

I was very relieved to see Cooper out there. Watched him quite a bit with all the other WRs as they did their drills and then as they moved into the scrimmage, and he looked smooth with good hands, just as advertised. I presume the time he missed set him back a bit, and he didn't really stand out in a busting big plays kind of way or anything. But he is very bold in traffic and across the middle for a small dude, which is also not news to anyone here.

So right off the top what I saw was a defense that was bringin it. The offense made some plays that were impressive like Goff's beautiful pass down the middle that was on point, and they won some in the redzone, but looking a bit deeper at things many of the passes would have had some "blown up" receivers. TJ made some hits today that he did not follow through on, where he was in position to lay dudes the F out and he was not the only one. The secondary closed fast and swarmed, and the front seven was in the offensive backfield a lot. I think Fish was real happy with how the defense looked.

Back to the offense the protections were breaking down a reasonable amount as the DL in particular were going hard. There were quite a few passes that would not have gotten out of the pocket without that red jersey on the QB. I watched GRob struggle a couple times on edge rush (still his greatest weakness) and also do well, and across the OL it was much the same and I thought very good back and forth competition between the units. This is going to sound ridiculous, too, but it seemed like Keenum got more heat than Goff, and have no idea whether it's the line blocking being better when Goff was in there, the DL being afraid to hurt the #1 draft pick, or whatever. Goff did get swarmed quickly a couple times, like when he dropped to his knees it would have been a very fast sack in a live game so taking the sack and living to throw another day was a good decision by him vice forcing something. The dude who yelled that was probably the same one who yelled some other idiotic things, and our section was crackin jokes about how dudes like him are the reason why we can't have an effin beer truck.

The receivers overall had a good day I thought. Thomas is just, well, as someone said the other day about him "he belongs." Really the best way to put it. The dude straight stands out in that he's very big, and is already playing fast in this system. His feet are really quick, which is something to see with a guy his size. And Quick, man. I gotta admit the dude is looking great, he's like a different receiver from the one I've seen drop everything and run the wrong routes. Marquez goes 100% every single route and is showing good hands and body control, same exact thing with Spruce. Watched coach Groh doing the tennis ball routine with them midpoint and I continue to feel like this is an entirely different group of receivers now, where all of a sudden they all have solid to good hands. It's weird man. I mean today Britt had a focus drop, but overall he's movin and catching things and it just seems like an insane turnaround as an entire group so it will be interesting to see if it carries over to preseason games. I am REALLY looking forward to seeing that.

The TEs are similar to the above as well in that this group straight catches the ball now with good hands as a unit. Higbee is just downright ridiculous. The dude is huge, has a big catch radius, moves like a WR, and just makes whoever throws him the ball look great. Watched him in drills with Thompson throwing the ball I think it was, and he reels the catch in smoothly before having a couple DBs who due to his size get just as good as they gave on the hits. Kendricks looks so much more consistent too, but when you watch these guys live it's just not even a comparison in terms of imagining who's gonna add what to this passing game.

Run game had some good moments but it's just too hard to tell whether the back would be down if they were playing for real. The D as I mentioned was bringin it, but it did seem like they're aware they don't want to be wrapping Gurley up and driving him to the ground like they would in a game. But still, the dude is so damn good he just makes it look easy. Aaron Green in both phases flashed and is really busting his butt to make this roster. Had a really nice run but the pass he caught was more impressive and like all the good catches I saw today had the crowd appreciation going.

So last but not least the QBs. Here's where I differ from a lot of what I read tweet-wise. The sack and the moron yelling whatever he yelled don't matter as I was very pleased overall with Goff's play. He put up a couple "rookie" throws but also put that ball down the field in the face of the rush with calmness which is far more important and far more telling as to what to expect from him throughout the remainder of camp into preseason. Watching his snaps directly against Keenum's snaps and it's not like Goff is suffering by comparison to my eye. Keenum made some nice throws but most of his are short ranged and/or checkdowns, he's really the same guy I saw get overwhelmed by the whiners late last year. He made one redzone throw on a full run to the right and across his body for a scary TD but it's one I wouldn't want to see him attempt again. Goff in the redzone is an assassin. Dude was droppin dimes on the corner route and across the middle for a TD (at least I think that one was from him to Higbee had a lady chatting with us that was a big distraction).

Tried to download it while I remember it still. Bottom line is this practice only served to boost my excitement about this offense. This team has some significant difference maker type players and we might be witnessing many elements finally coming together on the offensive side of the ball.

stop, youre getting me too excited