Around the NFL: Mock trades

[Neil039]

 

[Allen2McVay]

I don’t want to pay draft capital to get a kicker who’s only slightly better at the moment.

Gano is really good.

Last week he drilled three FGs from 50 or more yards.

Just two years ago he was All Pro. Think his only miss of the season was a 50-plus yard attempt.

Sloman does not inspire any confidence. Rams look good but they will need some big time kicks.

 

[den-the-coach]

I would do it, just so I could say...Graham Gano, don't you know.

 

[jacktheripper85]

It’s easy to kick FGs on a crappy team when you are playing meaningless games and there is no pressure.

 

[Rams66]

Kinda cool to see others believe the Rams biggest weakness is kicker.
As for trading a 6th round pick, just draft down in the draft to get it back, as the rams have done often.

 

[Ram65]

Graham Gano stats
Game stats

Game	BLK	LNG	FG ATT	FGM	PCT
10/4 @ Rams	0	37	3	3	100.0
9/27 vs 49ers	0	52	3	3	100.0
9/20 @ Bears	0	39	3	2	66.7
9/14 vs Steelers	0	21	1	1	100.0
Regular Season	-	-	10	9	90.0

Career stats

Year	Team	FG ATT	FGM	PCT	COMB	AST
2020	Giants	10	9	90.0	-	-
2018	Panthers	16	14	87.5	-	-
2017	Panthers	30	29	96.7	-	-
2016	Panthers	38	30	78.9	4	0
2015	Panthers	36	30	83.3	3	0
2014	Panthers	35	29	82.9	-	-
2013	Panthers	27	24	88.9	-	-
2012	Panthers	11	9	81.8	-	-
2011	Washington	41	31	75.6	4	1
2010	Washington	35	24	68.6	3	0
2009	Washington	4	4	100.0	-	-
Career		283	233	82.3	14	1

 

[Ram65]

He is 33 and it looks like he is an average kicker at 82.3 maybe a little worse than average who is on a hot streak. So I just looked it up on a % basis. He is average. I would trade a 6th rounder for a top 10 kicker but, I want to see their complete states. Maybe some others that are young but, have 4-5 years of experience. Sloman can easily become better than Kano.

NFL Field Goal % Career Leaders (since 1938) | Pro-Football-Reference.com

1. Justin Tucker (89.670%), 2. Eddy Pineiro (89.091%), 3. Harrison Butker (89.030%), 4. Daniel Carlson (88.038%), 5. Chris Boswell (87.889%),

www.pro-football-reference.com

Rank	Player	FG%	Years	Tm
Rank	Player	FG%	Years	Tm
Rank	Player	FG%	Years	Tm
1	Justin Tucker	90.759%	2012-2020	rav
2	Harrison Butker	89.655%	2017-2020	kan
3	Josh Lambo	88.732%	2015-2020	2TM
4	Wil Lutz	88.276%	2016-2020	nor
5	Chris Boswell	87.500%	2015-2020	pit
6	Stephen Gostkowski	87.045%	2006-2020	2TM
7	Dan Bailey	86.957%	2011-2020	2TM
8	Robbie Gould	86.801%	2005-2020	3TM
9	Kai Forbath	86.755%	2012-2019	6TM
10	Mike Vanderjagt	86.466%	1998-2006	2TM
11	Nate Kaeding	86.190%	2004-2012	2TM
12	Rob Bironas	85.663%	2005-2013	oti
13	Matt Bryant	85.560%	2002-2019	5TM
14	Shayne Graham	85.494%	2001-2015	10T
15	Stephen Hauschka	85.161%	2008-2020	5TM
16	Cody Parkey	85.156%	2014-2020	5TM
17	Ka'imi Fairbairn	84.314%	2017-2020	htx
	Dustin Hopkins	84.314%	2014-2020	2TM
19	Randy Bullock	84.211%	2012-2020	5TM
20	Jason Myers	84.138%	2015-2020	3TM
21	Shaun Suisham	84.064%	2005-2014	3TM
22	Dan Carpenter	83.986%	2008-2016	2TM
23	Josh Brown	83.947%	2003-2016	4TM
24	Phil Dawson	83.840%	1999-2018	3TM
25	Chandler Catanzaro	83.803%	2014-2018	4TM
26	Adam Vinatieri	83.776%	1996-2019	2TM
27	Matt Stover	83.659%	1991-2009	3TM
28	Matt Prater	83.651%	2007-2020	3TM
29	Ryan Longwell	83.180%	1997-2012	3TM
30	Connor Barth	82.759%	2008-2017	4TM
31	Jay Feely	82.587%	2001-2014	6TM
32	Graham Gano	82.578%	2009-2020	3TM
33	John Carney	82.414%	1988-2010	7TM
34	Jason Hanson	82.363%	1992-2012	det
35	Blair Walsh	82.353%	2012-2017	2TM
36	Greg Zuerlein	82.283%	2012-2020	2TM
37	Jeff Reed	82.239%	2002-2010	2TM
38	Ryan Succop	82.215%	2009-2020	3TM
39	Nick Novak	81.982%	2005-2017	5TM
40	John Kasay	81.883%	1991-2011	3TM
41	Jeff Wilkins	81.867%	1994-2007	3TM
42	Garrett Hartley	81.731%	2008-2014	2TM
43	Brandon McManus	81.667%	2014-2020	den
44	Lawrence Tynes	81.545%	2004-2012	2TM
45	Mason Crosby	81.401%	2007-2020	gnb

 

[Allen2McVay]

Guys ... Gano’s 52-of-56 on FGAs over the past three seasons.

Saw the Dallas game last week, and he drilled three 50-yard kicks (50, 54, 55) in a close game.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Yeah i think my point may have been lost. Forget Gano. Gano doesn't matter. Some of you spoke of draft capital and guys we've hit on late. I've been Snead's biggest defender where the draft is concerned so there's that.

All of those late rd guys we've hit on though that were mentioned, none of those guys will be in position to either win or lose a game single handedly on a single play in the same way a kicker does. That's just a fact.

This is important....listen to me.

Kickers are important in the playoffs. More important than a 6th rd LB you hit on.

So...trading a 6th rd pick to upgrade a rookie kicker on THIS team is a no brainer IMO. Well forget the IMO stuff, it just is.

I want a veteran kicker here.

 

[Kevin]

Dallas is going nowhere this season and they have a veteran kicker......

 

[Mojo Ram]

Dallas is going nowhere this season and they have a veteran kicker......

If he's better than Sloman give them a call. I don't pretend to be a guru of scouting kickers but our guy is gonna break our hearts down the road this season. I can feel it.

 

[nighttrain]

Salary cap folks, I don't think the Rams can afford The Leg or any other off the charts good kicker
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[jrry32]

But look at the value of a reliable kicker in close games. If Sloman is worthy of a seventh ground pick, a better kicker is worth a sixth round pick. Besides, it's not like all of Snead's later round selections have panned out. You cannot fairly just name the ones that have. 2018 Jamie Demby John Kelly, Travin Young. 2017 Tandem Smart, Sam Rogers. 2016 Tamarick Hemingway, Josh Forrest, Mike Thomas.

A future 6th round pick is like drafting Greg Zuerlein all over again, he was a 6th rounder. Graham Gano was a pro bowler as recently as 2017 with 96% fg made. How much do you trust Sloman right now with a 50+ yard field goal to win a game? Gano is 4/5 this year on those and was 3/4 in 2018. One year he was 6/6.

Sloman is only worth a 7th round pick if he turns into a decent Kicker. So that's bad logic. Gano was a below average Kicker before 2017 (he had hit less than 80% of his FGs on his career). Even in 2017, he missed 3 PATs and his longest FG was 48 yards. Simply put, I do not support trading a 6th round pick for an average Kicker. And Graham Gano has been that over his career. We can hope the guy continues to play well in 2020, but there's a very real chance he regresses to the mean.

If the coaches aren't happy with Sloman, they can go after one of the kickers on the street. Hell, Sam fucking Ficken hasn't missed a single kick this year. Kickers are volatile. You never know what you're going to get. And then there's the fact that Gano missed 20 games over the 2018 and 2019 seasons. We let Greg go because the injuries were starting to pile up.

 

[Loyal]

Sloman is only worth a 7th round pick if he turns into a decent Kicker. So that's bad logic. Gano was a below average Kicker before 2017 (he had hit less than 80% of his FGs on his career). Even in 2017, he missed 3 PATs and his longest FG was 48 yards. Simply put, I do not support trading a 6th round pick for an average Kicker. And Graham Gano has been that over his career. We can hope the guy continues to play well in 2020, but there's a very real chance he regresses to the mean.

If the coaches aren't happy with Sloman, they can go after one of the kickers on the street. Hell, Sam fucking Ficken hasn't missed a single kick this year. Kickers are volatile. You never know what you're going to get. And then there's the fact that Gano missed 20 games over the 2018 and 2019 seasons. We let Greg go because the injuries were starting to pile up.

*Rested. Tried. Tanned...and Ready ~ Jeff "Money" WIlkins

 

[Merlin]

Id do this trade in a heartbeat and I’d bet Snead would as well.

Agreed. But the Giants need more than round 6 picks to rebuild that mess. They would have no reason to make that move.

Seems extremely unrealistic.

 

[Loyal]

I would do it, just so I could say...Graham Gano, don't you know.

et tu, den? ~ Sloman

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

He is 33 and it looks like he is an average kicker at 82.3 maybe a little worse than average who is on a hot streak. So I just looked it up on a % basis. He is average. I would trade a 6th rounder for a top 10 kicker but, I want to see their complete states. Maybe some others that are young but, have 4-5 years of experience. Sloman can easily become better than Kano.

NFL Field Goal % Career Leaders (since 1938) | Pro-Football-Reference.com

1. Justin Tucker (89.670%), 2. Eddy Pineiro (89.091%), 3. Harrison Butker (89.030%), 4. Daniel Carlson (88.038%), 5. Chris Boswell (87.889%),

www.pro-football-reference.com

Rank	Player	FG%	Years	Tm
Rank	Player	FG%	Years	Tm
Rank	Player	FG%	Years	Tm
1	Justin Tucker	90.759%	2012-2020	rav
2	Harrison Butker	89.655%	2017-2020	kan
3	Josh Lambo	88.732%	2015-2020	2TM
4	Wil Lutz	88.276%	2016-2020	nor
5	Chris Boswell	87.500%	2015-2020	pit
6	Stephen Gostkowski	87.045%	2006-2020	2TM
7	Dan Bailey	86.957%	2011-2020	2TM
8	Robbie Gould	86.801%	2005-2020	3TM
9	Kai Forbath	86.755%	2012-2019	6TM
10	Mike Vanderjagt	86.466%	1998-2006	2TM
11	Nate Kaeding	86.190%	2004-2012	2TM
12	Rob Bironas	85.663%	2005-2013	oti
13	Matt Bryant	85.560%	2002-2019	5TM
14	Shayne Graham	85.494%	2001-2015	10T
15	Stephen Hauschka	85.161%	2008-2020	5TM
16	Cody Parkey	85.156%	2014-2020	5TM
17	Ka'imi Fairbairn	84.314%	2017-2020	htx
	Dustin Hopkins	84.314%	2014-2020	2TM
19	Randy Bullock	84.211%	2012-2020	5TM
20	Jason Myers	84.138%	2015-2020	3TM
21	Shaun Suisham	84.064%	2005-2014	3TM
22	Dan Carpenter	83.986%	2008-2016	2TM
23	Josh Brown	83.947%	2003-2016	4TM
24	Phil Dawson	83.840%	1999-2018	3TM
25	Chandler Catanzaro	83.803%	2014-2018	4TM
26	Adam Vinatieri	83.776%	1996-2019	2TM
27	Matt Stover	83.659%	1991-2009	3TM
28	Matt Prater	83.651%	2007-2020	3TM
29	Ryan Longwell	83.180%	1997-2012	3TM
30	Connor Barth	82.759%	2008-2017	4TM
31	Jay Feely	82.587%	2001-2014	6TM
32	Graham Gano	82.578%	2009-2020	3TM
33	John Carney	82.414%	1988-2010	7TM
34	Jason Hanson	82.363%	1992-2012	det
35	Blair Walsh	82.353%	2012-2017	2TM
36	Greg Zuerlein	82.283%	2012-2020	2TM
37	Jeff Reed	82.239%	2002-2010	2TM
38	Ryan Succop	82.215%	2009-2020	3TM
39	Nick Novak	81.982%	2005-2017	5TM
40	John Kasay	81.883%	1991-2011	3TM
41	Jeff Wilkins	81.867%	1994-2007	3TM
42	Garrett Hartley	81.731%	2008-2014	2TM
43	Brandon McManus	81.667%	2014-2020	den
44	Lawrence Tynes	81.545%	2004-2012	2TM
45	Mason Crosby	81.401%	2007-2020	gnb

So I keep hearing people say some players take!e time to develop. It certainly appears that Gano has only gotten better over the years. Including his first few years is misleading.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Sloman is only worth a 7th round pick if he turns into a decent Kicker. So that's bad logic. Gano was a below average Kicker before 2017 (he had hit less than 80% of his FGs on his career). Even in 2017, he missed 3 PATs and his longest FG was 48 yards. Simply put, I do not support trading a 6th round pick for an average Kicker. And Graham Gano has been that over his career. We can hope the guy continues to play well in 2020, but there's a very real chance he regresses to the mean.

If the coaches aren't happy with Sloman, they can go after one of the kickers on the street. Hell, Sam fucking Ficken hasn't missed a single kick this year. Kickers are volatile. You never know what you're going to get. And then there's the fact that Gano missed 20 games over the 2018 and 2019 seasons. We let Greg go because the injuries were starting to pile up.

So improvement with experience only counts for Olineman? His last three years look pretty damn good. Maybe he had a coach or specialist work on a mechanical change.

The Rams look like legitimate contenders. I'm not saying Sloman will have a bad career. I'm saying with a contender its better to rely on a vet with some recently successful years, than an unproven rookie.

I think letting Zuerlein go had as much to do with inconsistency as it did with health. He wide rights became more commonplace.

 

[Dz1]

Salary cap folks, I don't think the Rams can afford The Leg or any other off the charts good kicker
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Salary cap can always get adjustments.

And I'm pretty sure KD knows how.