Are you sick of the endless drivel about the Rams sacrificing the future?

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TheTackle

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The talking heads are still pushing the idea that Snead and McVey went all-in on winning "now" - even if it meant sacrificing the future. Except for one more intelligent article by Peter King, this narrative is voiced by media heads again and again, and again and again and again, and again, and again, and again and again! The counter-narrative is that the Bengals have built their team from the bottom up.

Putting aside the fact that once Rogers retires, or is traded to an AFC team, we will have the premier QB in the NFC and possibly the entire NFL - which is the biggest determinate of future success, does this narrative really stack up?

The Rams are the second-youngest team - on average - in the NFL. Most of our starters and key rotational players are draft picks (playing on 2nd to 7th round contracts). I cannot remember a recent draft where the Rams didn't come away with multiple picks that included players that went on (almost immediately) to become starters? For example, Ernest Jones, who is a stud.

Let's inspect the 2019 draft:

Pick 61 (almost the 3rd round) Taylor Rapp, former starter and key role player in SB victory
Pick 70 (early-round 3) Darrell Henderson, former starter and key role player in SB victory (his play was vital in our victory)
Pick 79 (mid-round 3) David Long, key role player and 12th starter as a nickel back in SB victory (he has his distracters but played well in the playoff run)
Pick 97 Bobby Evans, dud, but still on the team
Pick 134 (4th round) Greg Gaines, a rising star and a key contributor in SB victory
Pick 169 (5th round) David Edwards, plus starting LG (on NFL's best line) in SB victory
Pick 243 (7th round) Nick Scott, starting FS and one of our best defensive players in playoff run

Let's look at the Bengals 2019 draft in comparison:
Pick 11 LT Jonah Williams injured for SB loss, but is an average NFL starter (allowed the 6th most sacks at his position in 2021)
Pick 20 TE Drew Sample backup who made no in SB loss
Pick 72 ILB Germaine Pratt, starter who played well in SB loss
Pick 104 QB Ryan Finley traded, with 7th round pick for a 6th, but was subsequently cut and is a FA
Pick 125 DT Renell Wren is on Bengals practice squad
Pick 136 G Mike Jordan waived, is on Panthers practice squad
Pick 182 RB Trayveon Williams bounced on and off Bengals practice squad
Pick 210 LB Deshaun Davis (picked 33 places before Nick Scott) plays for the Saskatchewan Roughriders
Pick 211 RB Rodney Anderson FA
Pick 223 CB Jordan Brown on Raiders practice squad

Perhaps the more useful question would be how do these hacks, who claim to be reporters, find work?

So much for us sacrificing drafting talent! The 2019 Rams draft might have to go down as one of the best drafts in history even though we didn't take a player before picking no. 61.
 

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In the last 15 seasons, there are only 2 teams who have won the SB more than 1x, and 10 teams with a single win.
All teams are, or at least should be, "sacrificing" everything to grab the brass ring.
The Rams strategy worked, period and there's no criticizing that now that they've won a SB
 

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Don't worry that story will change to we are all in again when we start trading picks for more assets or restructuring contracts to sign players back like Von Miller lol. #wokeupchamps
 

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I love it lol.

The draft is exactly how you laid it out. You get guys that can play and have their roles and get depth Most won't be starters or even on the team in 4 years, then replace them later.

But a huge chunk of fans and media remain on the "build through the draft" shtick. The draft is a tool to round out your team. Not an express pass to relevance.

Fans of the Jaguars can fawn over the stupid "pieces of the puzzle" graphic ESPN puts in every April. I'd rather be relevant in December and January.
 

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The heads said the same crap when we traded for Talib Peters Ramsey Cooks etc... let em talk. Coach will keep the Rams winning.
 

Allen2McVay

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IMO, many "Experts" are just arrogant and lazy; and ignore the facts.
That makes their Narrative false and inaccurate.

The Rams traded two (projected) late #1s for perhaps the best DB in the NFL who was entering his prime.
They traded two more (projected) late #1s for a significant up-grade at the most important position ... QB.

The Rams were aggressive and went for a Super Bowl in 2021. That's a true statement.

However, they did NOT "push all their chips into the center of the table".


When you do that and lose, you don't get to play another hand.
You have to leave the table because you don't have any more money.
If the Rams had lost in the NFC Championship or the Super Bowl, it would have been disappointing but they still would have been projected as one of the top NFC contenders heading into 2022.

Here are some facts ... Not Opinions ... the IDIOT "Experts" often choose to ignore:
... Rams have been, and continue to be, one of the youngest teams in the NFL,
... Rams have had more total draft choices than all but one NFL team since McVay was hired,
... Rams roster has a relatively high number of players they drafted and signed as undrafted FAs, and
... Rams do not partake in high-level Free Agency (only DeSean Jackson was signed last off-season)
 

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Ask the fan bases of every team in the league this question:

Would you accept two losing seasons over the next two years if it meant winning a Super Bowl this year?

How many fan bases would say no to that trade off? New England? KC, maybe?

I don’t think the Rams are headed for a fall in the next two years, but even if they were, it would be worth it.
 

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Yes and it's going to be fun watching us repeat and be in the playoffs for a few years more :D

It's funny coming from other fans who also say they'd give anything to have their team win a Super Bowl
 

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What makes any of these clowns experts??? Because they watch football? Well I watch football too dammit!! Lol
Actually, I would argue that posters like you and I, plus many of us here on this Forum, watch, read and think a ton more about the Rams than almost all of these "Experts".

That's why I think, as long as we are objective in our analysis and honest with ourselves, we actually know much more about the Rams than the 'Clown Experts'. It's not cocky or arrogant, it's common sense.
I watch and listen for entertainment but I also find myself correcting these "experts" about miss-stated facts.
 

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I'll have to find the article again - but the Rams actually have gotten more from the draft than most teams have even without high picks.
 

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Sure, they won the Super Bowl but at what cost!?!?!?!?!?!
LMAO, totally agree!

It's like when people say things like, if the death of my entire family, city, country and the utter misery of millions saves just one life, then it will have been worth it.

Will it fuck, you daft twat.

12 franchises have NEVER won a fucking Super Bowl. N.E.V.E.R.

Do you think they wouldn't swap?

You can mortgage the next decade if you like Les because I want to win now, not build for some mythical future on the back of Tony Banks, Sam Bradford or Jared Goff.

Thick fucks.
 

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Actually, I would argue that posters like you and I, plus many of us here on this Forum, watch, read and think a ton more about the Rams than almost all of these "Experts".

That's why I think, as long as we are objective in our analysis and honest with ourselves, we actually know much more about the Rams than the 'Clown Experts'. It's not cocky or arrogant, it's common sense.
I watch and listen for entertainment but I also find myself correcting these "experts" about miss-stated facts.

Definitely. I'd go toe to toe any day with these "experts". But it would never happen because they'd get schooled and their egos would never allow it.

It always makes me laugh when they get a name or position completely wrong. Or conveniently forget something to push their narrative. It's why I hardly watch anything on main stream anymore because it's all noise
 

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What makes any of these clowns experts??? Because they watch football? Well I watch football too dammit!! Lol
Are you saying Skip Bayless isn't an expert on the Rams?

How dare you sir!
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The Rams built almost exclusively through the draft from 2006-2018 and averaged about five wins a year.
 

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The talking heads are still pushing the idea that Snead and McVey went all-in on winning "now" - even if it meant sacrificing the future. Except for one more intelligent article by Peter King, this narrative is voiced by media heads again and again, and again and again and again, and again, and again, and again and again! The counter-narrative is that the Bengals have built their team from the bottom up.

Putting aside the fact that once Rogers retires, or is traded to an AFC team, we will have the premier QB in the NFC and possibly the entire NFL - which is the biggest determinate of future success, does this narrative really stack up?

The Rams are the second-youngest team - on average - in the NFL. Most of our starters and key rotational players are draft picks (playing on 2nd to 7th round contracts). I cannot remember a recent draft where the Rams didn't come away with multiple picks that included players that went on (almost immediately) to become starters? For example, Ernest Jones, who is a stud.

Let's inspect the 2019 draft:

Pick 61 (almost the 3rd round) Taylor Rapp, former starter and key role player in SB victory
Pick 70 (early-round 3) Darrell Henderson, former starter and key role player in SB victory (his play was vital in our victory)
Pick 79 (mid-round 3) David Long, key role player and 12th starter as a nickel back in SB victory (he has his distracters but played well in the playoff run)
Pick 97 Bobby Evans, dud, but still on the team
Pick 134 (4th round) Greg Gaines, a rising star and a key contributor in SB victory
Pick 169 (5th round) David Edwards, plus starting LG (on NFL's best line) in SB victory
Pick 243 (7th round) Nick Scott, starting FS and one of our best defensive players in playoff run

Let's look at the Bengals 2019 draft in comparison:
Pick 11 LT Jonah Williams injured for SB loss, but is an average NFL starter (allowed the 6th most sacks at his position in 2021)
Pick 20 TE Drew Sample backup who made no in SB loss
Pick 72 ILB Germaine Pratt, starter who played well in SB loss
Pick 104 QB Ryan Finley traded, with 7th round pick for a 6th, but was subsequently cut and is a FA
Pick 125 DT Renell Wren is on Bengals practice squad
Pick 136 G Mike Jordan waived, is on Panthers practice squad
Pick 182 RB Trayveon Williams bounced on and off Bengals practice squad
Pick 210 LB Deshaun Davis (picked 33 places before Nick Scott) plays for the Saskatchewan Roughriders
Pick 211 RB Rodney Anderson FA
Pick 223 CB Jordan Brown on Raiders practice squad

Perhaps the more useful question would be how do these hacks, who claim to be reporters, find work?

So much for us sacrificing drafting talent! The 2019 Rams draft might have to go down as one of the best drafts in history even though we didn't take a player before picking no. 61.

There IS no "future" in the NFL -- the future is always now. Compare the team the Rams sent to the Superbowl just three years ago to this one. Only a handful of players remain. NFL turns over way too fast to plan for the future.