Are the Seahawks in Decline?

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Brewing anxiety in Seahawks nation?

Has their championship window closed? Or… does Waldron bring some degree of revigoration?

JULIO JONES WONT WIN US A SUPERBOWL:

IS WILSON ON THE DOWNSLOPE OF HIS CAREER?

Is Seahawks QB Russell Wilson now on downslope of his career?​

Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson is entering his 10th season in the NFL. (Getty)

We won’t see a better version of Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson than the one we see right now. And that’s not a bad thing.

He’s been playing at a top-five QB level for the past two seasons. But he’s probably reached his peak, right? And he plays a style that to me says he’s approaching those dreaded downward slopes.

So how far is Wilson – 32 years old now, 33 in November – from the inevitable decline that every quarterback not named Tom Brady experiences?

Don’t get mad. This is a fair question to ask, even if he’s coming off of back-to-back incredible statistical seasons. That’s because there’s been some troubling trends of late.

Russ must adjust his playing style going forward. It’s natural. He’s getting older. And while he’s still athletic, he certainly isn’t what he once was in terms of mobility. That’s not going to suddenly improve. Worse, the fact that he’s been sacked 40-plus times just about every season of his career (you can’t blame that all on the offensive line) shows how reliant he’s been on that mobility.

In a year where Wilson learns a largely – if not entirely – new Seahawks offense, how likely is it that he’d cut back on something he’s been dependent on in the past? Instincts and old habits might be his best friend during a transition like that, unless they’ve diminished a bit.

Last November, I scoffed when former NFL player Marcellus Wiley shared his opinion on FS1’s Speak For Yourself that Wilson finds a way to lose the MVP race down the stretch every year. Did he remember that final stretch that Russ had in 2015? But… he’s actually right.

Over the last two seasons, we’ve seen Wilson’s yards per attempt dramatically decline over the final month of the regular season (6.32 in December 2020 compared to 7.55 on the season, 7.15 in December 2019 compared to 7.97 on the season). We ripped Drew Brees when we witnessed a similar trend over the final seasons of his career, though it was a much more visible one. Isn’t it possible we’re witnessing that trend with Wilson now?

Sure, we’ve also criticized Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady for those same down-the-stretch issues, but look where they are now. There’s a difference for Russ, however: his height – something that he has in common with Brees. Brees figured out how to operate from the pocket in spite of his height, but it was out of necessity and early in his career. Can Russ get better at that in the middle of his career? And again, while learning a new offense?

I’m not ruling out the possibility that someone who grinds the way that Russ does can adapt his game. He certainly can become a better pocket passer. And on top of all that, the athleticism that he still has dwarfs what Brees and Brady brought to the table for the entirety of their careers. It’ll always be a weapon. But in a season last year where the Seahawks gave him more offensive weight to lift, Russ turned the ball over more than he ever had in his career and simply struggled down the stretch.

So perhaps we’re on the downslope after all.
 

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The Shehawks had a good run. It’s time for them to start sucking. I’m interested to see if the 12th man continues to show up when they decline.
 

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It would be nice if the Seahawks were on the decline, but as long as Russel Wilson is their QB, they will always be in games. Not a fan of who Pete Carroll has hired as OC's in Brian Schottenheimer and now Shane Waldron, so maybe the Seahawks look for an Offensive Head Coach next year as Peter Clay Carroll will be turning 70 on the 15th of September.

IMO, not sure, when you seem to have them down, they respond, so maybe this will be Petey's last stand and like the rest of the West, a young Offensive Master Mind looms on the horizon. And who will that be you ask? How about Joe Brady of the Carolina Panthers just to name someone.
 

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2 factors in play here (IMO).

1). Wilson isn’t close to declining. He is ready year in year out (likely at least another 4 solid years of high level play). Everyone else around him seems to be on the decline (minus DK and Lockett).

2). Carroll is under contract until 2025. I doubt he leaves next year, crap I bet he finishes off this contract. He is active and a young 70 (IMO). We may dislike him his, but that team appears to love him.

So I doubt they dominate the division but I wouldn’t count them out as a playoff team or a division crown as long as the two of them are both there.
 

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2 factors in play here (IMO).

1). Wilson isn’t close to declining. He is ready year in year out (likely at least another 4 solid years of high level play). Everyone else around him seems to be on the decline (minus DK and Lockett).

2). Carroll is under contract until 2025. I doubt he leaves next year, crap I bet he finishes off this contract. He is active and a young 70 (IMO). We may dislike him his, but that team appears to love him.

So I doubt they dominate the division but I wouldn’t count them out as a playoff team or a division crown as long as the two of them are both there.
I wanted the Rams to hire Pete Carroll years ago. I didn’t realize how much I disliked the guy.
 

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I wanted the Rams to hire Pete Carroll years ago. I didn’t realize how much I disliked the guy.

I did too. It might have been 1997 when we hired Vermeil? Pete Carroll became HC of the New England Patriots in 1997.
 

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Their passing game will probably be best in the division. They should win a ton of reg season games with it too.

But they won't have the defense to do shit in the playoffs.

I' guessing they finish 2nd in the division behind our Rams and exit the playoffs quickly.
 

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2 factors in play here (IMO).

1). Wilson isn’t close to declining. He is ready year in year out (likely at least another 4 solid years of high level play). Everyone else around him seems to be on the decline (minus DK and Lockett).

2). Carroll is under contract until 2025. I doubt he leaves next year, crap I bet he finishes off this contract. He is active and a young 70 (IMO). We may dislike him his, but that team appears to love him.

So I doubt they dominate the division but I wouldn’t count them out as a playoff team or a division crown as long as the two of them are both there.
Under Carroll, we've written them off before. When Hasselback left and Travaris Jackson was their QB. When Marshawn Lynch left. When the Legion of Doom declined. As long as Wilson is healthy, they have a chance every year. I will believe they've declined when they miss the playoffs 2 years in a row. So far under Carroll (11 seasons), they've missed the playoffs a TOTAL of 2 times.
 

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.NET has a large mix of fans - a lot didn't become fans until 2012/2013, and they have had a winning record every year since Wilson was drafted. Think about that for a minute - that's pretty amazing.

So for some that's all they have known - so being second place in the division for four straight years (they may have won the division last year, but getting beat down by a division rival in the playoffs is a clear indicator of what the hierarchy really is), does not sit well with them.

There aren't a ton of franchises who have that type of sustained success, so they won't know what they have until it's gone (if they remain fans).

To this year: IMO they will be better than they were last year. Problem for them is that everyone in the division will be. So I think even if they finish 10-7, they will still be better than they were last year. They have upgrades at WR3, TE, G - and their offense was already really good.

Defense will hold them back - wouldn't be surprised to see them trade for someone - maybe Gilmore if the Patriots suck again - mid season.
 

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I feel sorry for their older fans who were with the team back in the Largent days. It's gotta suck in a way to be part of that 5-10% who really do have a long association with the team, dealing with these bandwagon fuckwits who cry about a team that makes the playoffs every year. :ROFLMAO:
 

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I'm gonna say no. I expected them to decline the last few years and yet they continue to make the playoffs. Most teams in the NFL seem to struggle when playing against Russell. Likely due to the opposing defense not being able to contain him.

Like every other year they will start out strong and we will hear about Russ being a potential MVP candidate until half way through the season then they will start to struggle and people will come back down to earth and realize that they are not a complete team and won't make a deep playoff run. I still think they make the playoffs and have a good record but that feels like their ceiling imo.
 

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The other thing is, whatever your opinion of Eskridge is - Wilson put up 30 TDs/100 passer rating with dudes named David Moore and Freddie Swain. So, having an actual talent at three WR positions...

And while Everett was a whipping boy here, Wilson has been throwing to Will Diddly (auto corrected from his actual name and I'm sticking with it) and the ghost of Greg Olsen.

And their OL and OC has been trash for years. So while I am confident Carroll will meddle and hold the offense back a little, it has all the tools to be better than ours which is scary.
 

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I say they are not in freefall maybe minor decline. Yet they have a good chance to make the playoffs currently. NO doesn't have Brees, Rodgers wants out and his demands are hurting the team so that really only leaves TB, Rams, SF and maybe GB or Dallas as top tier in NFC so they should be fine for now.
 

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I say they are not in freefall maybe minor decline. Yet they have a good chance to make the playoffs currently. NO doesn't have Brees, Rodgers wants out and his demands are hurting the team so that really only leaves TB, Rams, SF and maybe GB or Dallas as top tier in NFC so they should be fine for now.
Yes likely, but no longer dominant. So, unless they are returning to the top they are slowly declining. "If you ain't first, you're last"
 

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The other thing is, whatever your opinion of Eskridge is - Wilson put up 30 TDs/100 passer rating with dudes named David Moore and Freddie Swain. So, having an actual talent at three WR positions...

And while Everett was a whipping boy here, Wilson has been throwing to Will Diddly (auto corrected from his actual name and I'm sticking with it) and the ghost of Greg Olsen.

And their OL and OC has been trash for years. So while I am confident Carroll will meddle and hold the offense back a little, it has all the tools to be better than ours which is scary.
Whoa! Bite your tongue, Frantik.

No way that the Seahawk O has the tools to be better than ours this year. Stafford, DJ, Atwell, and Corbett at C changed everything. And don’t get me started with Harris. Lol.
 

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Whoa! Bite your tongue, Frantik.

No way that the Seahawk O has the tools to be better than ours this year. Stafford, DJ, Atwell, and Corbett at C changed everything. And don’t get me started with Harris. Lol.


They definitely have the tools. Their OL has the same talent. QB better. WRs same or better. RBs worse.

They have the tools - but our offense will be better because Carroll won't relinquish control.

I'm stoked about Stafford and the WRs - but Wilson is a top 5 QB and Stafford is fringe top 10.
 

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Or if you're not going forward your going backyards.

the last years of martz put succinctly.

rams weren't gonna move forward with him so they put it in reverse and stomped the pedal to the metal. linehan and spags until they hit rock bottom. fisher got it travelling back forwards driving miss daisy speed but couldn't even keep up to that speed. the rams with mcvay are back in the fast lane.

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