Arch Manning and Matt Stafford: Rams sources talk succession plan with Charles Robinson (Staff's back makes an appearance)

[ScotsRam]

Keep in mind Arch will be 22 by next years draft. It’s not like he will be a green 20 year old coming out early. My guess is “he and his family” gonna want to pick which team(s) “he and his family” will play for.

So a stable regime with a highly successful and highly regarded offensive minded head coach in a huge market makes sense.

Who does that remind you of?

 

[muggmeister]

Do we really need another thread with the same info being talked about elsewhere?
Nothing new here, if Manning goes in the draft, he's the #1 overall pick. The Rams, like most teams, would love to move up for him.

Agree, this a no shit story. If Arch Manning plays well this year and comes out then no shit, he WILL be the 1st pick. We may have 2 1st rounders next year but so do the Browns and BOTH their picks should be closer to the top. People act like the rest of the league is just gonna roll over and let the Rams draft him. This is a dumbfuck conversation.

 

[Flint]

There is zero reason - zero - to think Manning comes out after this season.

He barely played his first two years - and could have transferred anywhere, literally anywhere in the country - why would he sit on the bench to just play one season when he can also likely make more as a senior in college than his first year in the NFL.

Manning probably isn’t as motivated as other prospects by money and the day he gets to the nfl they’ll start pitching commercials for him, Peyton and Eli, they’re gonna make a ton of money

 

[Corbin]

There is zero reason - zero - to think Manning comes out after this season.

He barely played his first two years - and could have transferred anywhere, literally anywhere in the country - why would he sit on the bench to just play one season when he can also likely make more as a senior in college than his first year in the NFL.

Because strategically going to a good franchise and making more than half a billion dollars in your career is better than staying in college for a mere 5-10mill.

Strategy has two points, short term and long term. Short term doesn’t trump long term.

 

[Loyal]

So a stable regime with a highly successful and highly regarded offensive minded head coach in a huge market makes sense.

Who does that remind you of?

Niners? ~ @Corbin

 

[WestCoastRam]

It is not easy to predict how college QBs will do in the NFL. Remember when Trevor Lawrence was a generational talent? He's a good QB but that's about it. Obviously, being in Jacksonville might have something to do with it - they aren't exactly an A-level franchise. Or remember Goff and Wentz? We took Goff 1st overall. Great QB, a decade plus starter, but not elite. Wentz didn't even stick in the league. So who knows how Archie Manning will develop.

The buzz is we would trade two 1st rounders to move up for a QB. Our own + the Falcons 1st rounder we acquired. I'd rather use that as the basis for a package to acquire a proven NFL QB is one is available. Maybe Burrow if we get lucky could shake loose? It might not be an option. Proven top tier NFL QBs rarely if ever hit the market. But 2 1sts was the bulk of the Stafford trade. We have the starting point of a competitive package to land a proven talent. I don't think we would have to supplement it with too much more. particularly if the Falcons pick is high - they seem like a real crapshoot right now, I could see them flaming out as easily as putting it together this year.

Man, Lawrence was a guy everyone got wrong. Was supposed to be generational talent. Sure, he really got screwed with coaching and talent issues but you still think he should have been better.

Also, I'd be willing to give up a shit ton of picks for Burrow but very little chance of happening...

 

[WestCoastRam]

To me, the more interesting part of the story was about Stafford, his back, his timeline, how the Rams might approach a rookie QB while retaining him for one more year. Sure, nothing people on here haven't speculated on but Robinson doesn't report hunches so it's nice to have what I would consider confirmation of things.

Also thought it was interesting they are telling a reporter they think Manning is - at this moment - the lone tier 1 QB next year. Pointing directionally to him while also leaving room for other QBs to possibly take that mantle as this season hasn't been played out.

Rams front office doesn't really seem to lie much but rather consistently tells the truth while leaving out a lot of additional info.

 

[Allen2McVay]

...

Also, I'd be willing to give up a shit ton of picks for Burrow but very little chance of happening...

Now ... Zero chance
Next off-season ... Very small chance, in my opinion.

Two years from now ... if Cincinnati fails to make the playoffs in 2025 and 2026 ... that would be four straight years of no post-season ... Burrow will be 31 ... Maybe

 

[WestCoastRam]

Now ... Zero chance
Next off-season ... Very small chance, in my opinion.

Two years from now ... if Cincinnati fails to make the playoffs in 2025 and 2026 ... that would be four straight years of no post-season ... Burrow will be 31 ... Maybe

I think this is spot on

 

[Merlin]

All you dumbasses slappin the ham to visions of Arch Manning in horns need to take a cold shower. Only way the Rams would have a shot at him is if he plays like absolute dogshit, loses his job, and declares in the draft. And even then the Rams would have to move up for him due to his physical skills, I mean look how high Richardson's sorry ass went.

Rams will never lose enough games to draft a QB like Manning. Not until McVay moves on. He's too fucking good.

It is not easy to predict how college QBs will do in the NFL. Remember when Trevor Lawrence was a generational talent? He's a good QB but that's about it. Obviously, being in Jacksonville might have something to do with it - they aren't exactly an A-level franchise. Or remember Goff and Wentz? We took Goff 1st overall. Great QB, a decade plus starter, but not elite. Wentz didn't even stick in the league. So who knows how Archie Manning will develop.

The buzz is we would trade two 1st rounders to move up for a QB. Our own + the Falcons 1st rounder we acquired. I'd rather use that as the basis for a package to acquire a proven NFL QB is one is available. Maybe Burrow if we get lucky could shake loose? It might not be an option. Proven top tier NFL QBs rarely if ever hit the market. But 2 1sts was the bulk of the Stafford trade. We have the starting point of a competitive package to land a proven talent. I don't think we would have to supplement it with too much more. particularly if the Falcons pick is high - they seem like a real crapshoot right now, I could see them flaming out as easily as putting it together this year.

Honestly trading for Lawrence has a better chance of happening than moving up for Manning. Or Burrow etc. I doubt either happens, but they are more likely than us ending up with one of those first two picks in the draft.

Teams generally don't trade down when elite QB prospects are at the top. They trade down when second tier QB prospects are at the top.

 

[Ram Ts]

Burrow is enticing. But the cost to acquire him plus his salary hit - idk. I think I’m intrigued of a rookie QB and that low cap hit for 4-5 years. With one year overlap with staff or a vet QB. Years 2-5 on the low cap hit rookie QB. I’m just not sure that’s what McVay would want.

 

[DzRams]

... They could make a massive trade for a vet QB that we aren't even considering right now.

It only makes sense to trade for a vet QB if they're elite ala Stafford. I don't believe for a minute that McVay is interested in a vet if the guy is a project or a failed QB.

The only plausible name right now is Burrow. And it's near a pipe dream to project his availability in the next few years.

But...but..if Burrow became available, I feel he'd be option 1 for McVay.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Burrow is enticing. But the cost to acquire him plus his salary hit - idk. I think I’m intrigued of a rookie QB and that low cap hit for 4-5 years. With one year overlap with staff or a vet QB. Years 2-5 on the low cap hit rookie QB. I’m just not sure that’s what McVay would want.

That's ideal. A stud-prospect on a rookie contract. That's what every team wants.

Most of the time, the team Must have an awful record to have a top-3 pick; and, a stud must be available ... some years, there aren't any.

Two first round picks in 2026, plus an aggressive head coach and front office willing to take risks ... Absolutely means the Rams could trade-up. However, trading-up to 1st overall (or even top-3) ... THAT seems very difficult.

Plus, the other team has to WANT to make a trade.
In 2024, Chicago, Washington and New England had no desire to trade-down.

Now Patrick Mahomes was the 10th overall pick. Josh Allen went 7th overall.
Maybe the Rams (primarily McVay) see something in a prospect projected to go between 6-10th overall.
That's a position I could realistically see the Rams trading-up for.

 

[Tano]

All you dumbasses slappin the ham to visions of Arch Manning in horns need to take a cold shower. Only way the Rams would have a shot at him is if he plays like absolute dogshit, loses his job, and declares in the draft. And even then the Rams would have to move up for him due to his physical skills, I mean look how high Richardson's sorry ass went.

Rams will never lose enough games to draft a QB like Manning. Not until McVay moves on. He's too fucking good.


Honestly trading for Lawrence has a better chance of happening than moving up for Manning. Or Burrow etc. I doubt either happens, but they are more likely than us ending up with one of those first two picks in the draft.

Teams generally don't trade down when elite QB prospects are at the top. They trade down when second tier QB prospects are at the top.

Only way is if Atlanta's QB gets hurt and Cousins plays like dog shit and Atlanta goes 1 16 do we have a chance at Manning

 

[Tano]

Of course, Morris could hate it in Atlanta and tells the Rams that he will lose games on purpose so he could be DC again.

 

[RamBall]

Someone named their kid................."Taint" !!
Hope he can use his fists.

Its a ROD autocorrect. Think of it as our tribute to Golden Taint from his days in Seattle.

 

[TSFH Fan]

Ok, I'll play along. So, let's pretend Arch plays like the super prospect of 2025.

The way the Rams get Arch is for Arch and his crew to help out - Arch declares for the 2026 draft and makes all kinds of public statements that if any team, other than the Rams, drafts him, he's going back to college for the 2026 season. The "going back to college" threat is only going to work in 2026 - it's the only draft he's going to be able to play that leverage, so that's his incentive to declare (it's the only draft where he has a significant ability to determine where he plays). The threat is also the encouragement for other teams to trade the pick. The Rams can do F them picks and toss in one or more of the expiring contracts on a good D player to get it done. It's all about Madden, fantasy mode - easy as pie. It all depends on Arch and his people wanting the Rams and no other team.

But really, F him, he's a Padres fan:


View: https://x.com/JakeGaregnani/status/1923862967738827136

 

[RamBall]

1. This shyte is too early to talk about without wild ass guessing, but this never stopped us before!
2. Arch is a top college prospect who is getting paid as a college kid and his family values education. He doesn't NEED to come out.
3. McSnead are liars before draft day. I trust almost nothing they say until after the pick is made.
4. McVay is a great coach, but seems to like veterans more than rookies. He and Snead make unorthodox moves to get what they want. They could make a massive trade for a vet QB that we aren't even considering right now.

The only way McSnead trade for a veteran QB is if Stafford is 100% retiring. If Stafford comes back for 26 the Rams should flip the Atlanta 1st rounder and pick up a 1st in 27 draft.

 

[WestCoastRam]

Only way is if Atlanta's QB gets hurt and Cousins plays like dog shit and Atlanta goes 1 16 do we have a chance at Manning

I mean, there's another way but no one here wants to discuss that...

 

[Merlin]

Only way is if Atlanta's QB gets hurt and Cousins plays like dog shit and Atlanta goes 1 16 do we have a chance at Manning

Yes Atlanta might deliver. It is possible and wouldn't that kick ass. But we're probably looking at one pick mid first round and the other in the 20s, which isn't shit as it pertains to getting into the top group of picks.