Any Goff health updates

[jrry32]

This is my unfiltered opinion. Not that I ever really filter it, but here goes:

I'm sick to freaking death of the NFL acting like it gives a good gawd damn about the players. It doesn't. They'd feed them to the lions if they could find more like them and it paid well enough.

I've not only had a bad enough concussion to have severe post concussion syndrome, but my whole life is neurological issues, what with a lesion in my brain, an idiopathic seizure disorder and daily migraines.

As a former engineer, I've taken the time due to my life being at stake to do tons and tons of research into this. And I say with with far, far, far more than a layman's knowledge.

The NFL's concussion protocol is complete crap.

How can I say this?

Well, they don't really fully understand concussion. In Boxing or in MMA, if a person is knocked unconscious, they have to wait SIX MONTHS before they can compete again and take unfiltered shots to the head again. In the NFL, we saw Michael Bennet CLEARLY be knocked unconscious for several seconds. Completely unconscious. He's GOING TO PLAY THIS WEEK.

The reason CTE exists is that a) we have these repetitive injuries, the concussions and sub-concussive trauma happening. And honestly, I dunno if there's a way to stop all of that from happening. Even using the "Seattle Tackling Method" of which I'm a Massive advocate didn't help Bennett because he just got...caught. But it'd be a big start. b) we have ZERO way of repairing the brain damage that occurs during the concussive trauma.

Now, there's actually the beginning of evidence that there IS a substance that will heal the brain. CBD...Canniboids. The very researcher who discovered THC is doing research in Israel and published research he did on mice where he damaged their brains and then administered a CBD compound and their brains healed. That was thought IMPOSSIBLE.

So... does the NFL give a rat's ass about the players? Hell no. Not ONE iota. And I do mean NOT ONE IOTA. The ONLY reason they stopped LYING about CTE was that the dying players kept committing suicide and the doctor in Pittsburgh kept paying for their tests to prove it was CTE because Allegheny county wouldn't do it (don't want to make the Steeler's upset, ya know).

Is Jared Goff ready to play? I dunno. I have serious doubts, tho. I do know that with the current level of understanding about concussion, NO ONE knows what his current neurological state is or the amount of damage his brain actually took.

If the safety of the players mattered, the NFL would institute ACTUAL reforms like the Seattle Tackling Method league wide and HEAVILY fine leading with the head for offensive and defensive players. Secondly, it would LEAD with studies on CBD research (because it's the THC that gets you high, not CBD) because CBD research has the potential to yield benefits for everyone from spinal and brain injury patients to actual pain management for hundreds of millions around the world that's not habit forming to a number of other applications.

Instead of the NFL being a force for positive change (which, as I demonstrated, it's totally possible to do and completely remain within one's self-interest and make obscene amounts of money), they're so damn busy taking YESTERDAY'S dollar that they needed a freaking BEER company to tell them to get serious about domestic violence.

As for young Jared, I want him to be successful for the Rams for a long, long time. He needs to learn to run out of bounds, for Criminy's sake, but he also needs the team to take better care of him than using the "minimum league protocol" because that's complete garbage.

I mean Michael Bennett's going to play after being completely knocked out. I don't care what any person plays for, that's just not right.

Maybe I'm just getting to the point where I'm less and less inclined to simply sacrifice human lives for my amusement, but this just isn't funny, anymore. It's like the argument Lee Iococa made while at Ford in '68, iirc... that they COULD put seatbelts in all the cars, but it'd be too expensive. Too expensive. Seatbelts.

Yep. Feels a lot like that, actually.

Frankly, I think the problem is that the NFL has successfully misled people into believing that concussions are the problem. Thus, people believe they can make the game safer with rule changes and concussion protocols. From the research I've done, it seems to me that the repetitive sub-concussive trauma built up over a long career is what does the catastrophic damage.

I don't know much about the research you're referencing, but if it can reverse or heal brain damage, I'm all for it. I also think the NFL needs to look into advances with helmet technology. I know some have said that improving helmets won't make a difference. But I think if you could find a way to create helmets that are able to successfully disperse the force of collisions with other players and the ground in such a way that it keeps the brain from bouncing around in the skull, you could mitigate the damage done. How can they do that? I'm not sure.

You would think there are polymers that could be used to make the helmet or the padding in the helmet capable of doing that.

Right now, my feeling is that our ability to make football safe is pretty limited. I simply accept that the game I'm watching will likely result in a reduced quality of life for the athletes who opt to take part in it. But I do think the NFL owes it to its players to try and find ways to make the game safer through R&D.

 

[jrry32]

Anybody read the article about Goff needing to protect himself? Goff made it sound like he never had a concussion.

After the game, Sherman said, “We don’t give free meals, so he had to feel it.”

Goff said Thursday that “it was just a regular hit” and he felt fine afterward.

“I got up, went back to the huddle, I heard the official blow the whistle and they’re like, ‘You have to get off the field,’” he said. “I’m like, ‘Why?’ They said it’s just protocol, whatever it was.”

Goff understood the rationale for the decision but did not necessarily agree with the implementation.

“I just think it’s kind of tough,” he said. “If that’s a playoff game or if that’s a bigger situation, the game’s close, you take the starting quarterback off the field for — in my opinion… not really a very good reason.

“I don’t know how fair it is, but they’re trying to take care of us, that’s what the league’s trying to do, so I had to go through it.”

Goff was “probably a little beat up Friday,” he said, but felt good the day after. He said there have been no lingering effects.

 

[Mackeyser]

Sorry, but there's no hiding that he was in danger and needed to be protected.

I admire his moxy, but he won't last long in denial.

The LAST thing the NFL concussion protocol is is too strong.

That said, and we saw this in the NYG/Philly game, the Giant DE slammed Wentz to the turf, took the 15 yard penalty and because Wentz's head slammed to the turf, he had to go through the concussion protocol. It nearly changed the tide of a very close game which NY still lost in part because Wentz was able to return. (Like with Goff, I dunno if that's a good thing or a bad thing)

Which begs the question, why wouldn't any defender take the 15 yard penalty with 5-6 mins to go in a close game and slam the QB to the turf if given a chance? Even if the goal is just to "ring his bell", the time it takes to be evaluated on the sideline, then go to the locker room and be reevaluated would effectively take that starting QB out of the game during the final crucial minutes.

So because the NFL has engaged this problem with half measures and there now exists an incentive to shock the head, if not injure, the opposing QB near the end of the game... is the answer to consider the protocol too tough?

Um...no. Certainly not. As has been mentioned here and other places many times, we've got to line up the incentives such that bad actions aren't rewards. And we've got to get clear on better concussion protections that focus on brain health first, not "how fast can they play" first. As long as the latter is the case, guys will be rushed back and at significant risk for subsequent and greater neurological trauma.

The issue with the helmets is trickier and involves some science and I'll post some more on that later.

 

[UKram]

im all for player safety dont get me wrong ...someones health will always be more important thann a game ...but im also of the opinion that you take your choice ....these guys are now fully aware of the risks and are compensated pretty darn well all in all ... same as boxers racing car drivers and any other sports person who plays a high risk sport ...

 

[cvramsfan]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18335055/los-angeles-rams-quarterback-jared-goff-clears-concussion-protocol-set-start

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What I see in this picture is two players that could have blocked or slowed down dipwad to either allow Goff to score or at least not take the big hit. Hope he is really OK and head is clear.

 

[dieterbrock]

I don't understand this whole deal. Goff took a shot to the shoulder and looked like he may have had a shot of pain, but didn't appear woozy
Last night, Wentz gets his head slammed to the turf, got up looking like Bernie Kosar on a bender, was removed from the field and was back 5 minutes later.
I get that Goff didn't come back out because the game was almost over but how could he have stayed in "protocol" for over a week while another player came back in to the game a few minutes later?

 

[Selassie I]

I hope we give dick sherman full payback for that shit next time we see his punk ass on the field.

FULL PAYBACK

 

[dieterbrock]

I hope we give dick sherman full payback for that crap next time we see his punk ass on the field.

FULL PAYBACK

Sherman could have WRECKED Goff on that play. I don't like the dude at all but got to credit where due. The guy who was responsible for that injury was Goff himself....

 

[VegasRam]

@ mackseyer

And you know this how?
As you're Mr. Blunt - bullshit.

It simply supports your agenda.

 

[Corbin]

im all for player safety dont get me wrong ...someones health will always be more important thann a game ...but im also of the opinion that you take your choice ....these guys are now fully aware of the risks and are compensated pretty darn well all in all ... same as boxers racing car drivers and any other sports person who plays a high risk sport ...

I was going to post this exact thing. These players all get compensated very handsomely to risk themselves and it's their decision that puts them in harms way, just like a bull fighter, a rodeo clown, a para glider etc.

I don't hear anybody up in arms over bull riders and their injuries and the PBR not giving a shit about them. These ADULT MEN mad their decision know the risks especially now with all the research.

It really amazes me how some people pick and choose certain things to demonize but could care less about other like sports/companies/policies in the world.

 

[-X-]

im all for player safety dont get me wrong ...someones health will always be more important thann a game ...but im also of the opinion that you take your choice ....these guys are now fully aware of the risks and are compensated pretty darn well all in all ... same as boxers racing car drivers and any other sports person who plays a high risk sport ...

I agree, but now that the league has been sued (class action), they're now forced to protect players from long-term cognitive damage. I'm sure the league would love nothing more than to leave it up to the players and coaches to decide when a player can play after any kind of injury, but that's not the world we live in. Now a player can sue the league for having his feelings hurt. Nevermind his brain.

All that said, I'd rather have the ability to feed myself and be broke, than be a very rich vegetable. Some people just need to be protected from their own bad decisions too.

 

[CGI_Ram]

Some people just need to be protected from their own bad decisions too.

Why do I feel that's directed at me?

 

[-X-]

Why do I feel that's directed at me?

Because you're a glutton.

I mean, c'mon. Adults are allowed to purchase Happy Meals too, ya know.