And the poaching continues...the price of success

[Elmgrovegnome]

Yeah it is going to be different all around, but I am not going to dwell on it too much. I will wait til after training camp.

My life got easier when I tempered my off-season focus a bit. I realized that there is nothing I can do about the moves they make, so I observe more than I did in the past. Removing some intensity has made me less frustrated and more relaxed about the Rams. I have lower expectations to start the season too.
It likely helps that I have moved my focus on my sons sports and helping him to be his best

It's not like our offense has been anything special the last couple of years and it appears that everybody already knows our scheme.

It’s a known offense. Shanahan and LaFluer run it and many concepts have been adapted into other teams schemes already.
Now the intangibles like team prep, reducing injury, and coaching techniques, I can see other coaches wanting to learn from Rams assistants.

 

[dieterbrock]

The Steelers? Name the last Assistant Coach that was poached from that organization during Mike Tomlin's tenure.

Arians or Horton?

 

[den-the-coach]

Arians or Horton?

Arians was with the Colts and was fired by the Steelers before moving to the Colts and yes Ray Horton 11 freaking years ago.

 

[Merlin]

Again, I have to respectfully push back on the idea that the Rams get poached more than everyone else. As Rams’ fans, we are just much more aware of Rams’ coaches.

The Ravens lost their DL, LB and DB coaches in the past ten days.

The DL guy (Cullen) is the Jaguars’ new DC (Jacksonville’s first choice may have been Raheem Morris). The later two went to the college ranks.

Well if you're going to push back against the idea then the question to ask is whether any team has suffered the poaching that McVay has dealt with the past 3 years. I have no idea btw just going off memory it seems like he's been fleeced annually of asst coaches.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Well if you're going to push back against the idea then the question to ask is whether any team has suffered the poaching that McVay has dealt with the past 3 years.

Yes!

As I pointed out, as an example, the Ravens lost their top three defensive position coaches in just the past week.

Their DL Coach became the Jags’ new DC. Their LB and DB coaches (two guys I had never even heard of before) left for better opportunities in college.

 

[dieterbrock]

Arians was with the Colts and was fired by the Steelers before moving to the Colts and yes Ray Horton 11 freaking years ago.

I thought I was helping make your point with Arians, and forgot he was fired! Makes your point even more valid. Good grief, Pittsburgh has had the same D-coaches forever

 

[Merlin]

Yes!

As I pointed out, as an example, the Ravens lost their top three defensive position coaches in just the past week.

Their DL Coach became the Jags’ new DC. Their LB and DB coaches (two guys I had never even heard of before) left for better opportunities in college.

What I meant: did the Ravens get poached last year too? And the year before that as well? I can't recall. Point was I suspect that McVay has been plundered noticeably more than his contemporaries.

 

[Allen2McVay]

What I meant: did the Ravens get poached last year too? And the year before that as well? I can't recall. Point was I suspect that McVay has been plundered noticeably more than his contemporaries.

In my very first post on this topic, I went through the ‘poaching’ of McVay’s staff; and did not see the frequency some have been complaining about.

Staley ... huge loss
Taylor ... was that a big loss?

Who else?

McVay allowed Lafleur to leave. He could have stopped his OC from going to TN but it was a good opportunity. Lafleur would call plays. He was not poached.

Who am I missing? You a big Joe Barry guy?

Pleasant would be a loss but he was not offered the DC job last off-season or this off-season.

Let me try another way.
The Ravens lost their top three defensive position coaches in less than a week. In four years, has McVay‘s staff taken a hit like that?

 

[Merlin]

In my very first post on this topic, I went through the ‘poaching’ of McVay’s staff; and did not see the frequency some have been complaining about.

Staley ... huge loss
Taylor ... was that a big loss?

Who else?

McVay allowed Lafleur to leave. He could have stopped his OC from going to TN but it was a good opportunity. Lafleur would call plays. He was not poached.

Who am I missing? You a big Joe Barry guy?

Pleasant would be a loss but he was not offered the DC job last off-season or this off-season.

Let me try another way.
The Ravens lost their top three defensive position coaches in less than a week. In four years, has McVay‘s staff taken a hit like that?

All I was pointing out is this: if you want to make an argument (in this case that other teams have been plundered like the Rams have) a good way to do it is to look at previous seasons. Because McVay's staff gets plundered every year. So great thought IMO but a bit unfinished in terms of demonstrating that other teams have lost guys like he does year to year. And not criticizing btw I was trying to help.

As to Barry yeah I think he's a really good positional coach. Good leadership too and he's gotten production out of ILBs I was not high on at all. Really the issue here is that it puts even more on McVay when he's already got a very challenging offseason ahead due to our cap situation as well as QB questions irt how they are going to approach things.

And lastly to your question about the Ravens' staff I am not sure who they lost. Were they positional coaches?

 

[Allen2McVay]

All I was pointing out is this: if you want to make an argument (in this case that other teams have been plundered like the Rams have) a good way to do it is to look at previous seasons. Because McVay's staff gets plundered every year. So great thought IMO but a bit unfinished in terms of demonstrating that other teams have lost guys like he does year to year. And not criticizing btw I was trying to help.

As to Barry yeah I think he's a really good positional coach. Good leadership too and he's gotten production out of ILBs I was not high on at all. Really the issue here is that it puts even more on McVay when he's already got a very challenging offseason ahead due to our cap situation as well QB questions irt how they are going to approach things.

We are not on the same page here Merlin.

You say look at ‘previous seasons’ but the Ravens of the past week are a great example of other teams losing young coaches.

Then you say McVay gets ‘plundered every year’ but don’t give any names beyond those I posted.

Like you, I was trying to help.

I was trying to help posters who feel victimized that the Rams get poached a lot by pointing out that they don’t really get poached an inordinate amount; and other teams also lose good young coaches.

 

[Merlin]

I didn't give any names @Allen2McVay because it was your premise.

You brought up a very interesting point, that maybe the Rams haven't been plundered as bad as we seem to think compared to the league at large. So I replied that maybe the context of multiple years is important to that point that you made. That's all my man. Not arguing or anything like that. Just a bit intrigued but not interested enough to go look it up myself lol.

 

[Allen2McVay]

I didn't give any names @Allen2McVay because it was your premise.

You brought up a very interesting point, that maybe the Rams haven't been plundered as bad as we seem to think compared to the league at large. So I replied that maybe the context of multiple years is important to that point that you made. That's all my man. Not arguing or anything like that. Just a bit intrigued but not interested enough to go look it up myself lol.

All good.
And I am sure we are on the same page that we don’t want to see the Rams lose any more good coaches.