And the poaching continues...the price of success

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The Hawks are considering Sean's buddy Shane Waldrom as their OC. IMO this could hurt in more ways than one. They would have intimate insight into the Ram's WRs as well as McVay's scheme.

On the positive side, it should force Sean to do what I've know he must....to overhaul his whole offensive scheme.

Holmes wants to take Ray Agnew with him to Detroit. Holmes was dir. of pro scouting, and Agnew is dir of college scouting. He would be Holme's Asst. GM. That would give them two key guys to try to turn the Lions roster around quickly.

This coming season could look a whole lot different in a lot of ways offensively and defensively.
 

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This coming season could look a whole lot different in a lot of ways offensively and defensively.
Yeah it is going to be different all around, but I am not going to dwell on it too much. I will wait til after training camp.
 

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Oh I'm not worried at this point. In fact it adds to the anticipation. Change can be good if done right.
 

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Waldron lol. He probably needs to find a job before that axe falls.

If I'm McVay I'd boot his redundant ass and go get a QB coach who is a wizard at protections. O'Connell didn't seem to benefit from having a passing game coordinator under him and since McVay blocked O'Connell from taking that job I would guess Waldron is odd man out.
 

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The Hawks are considering Sean's buddy Shane Waldrom as their OC. IMO this could hurt in more ways than one. They would have intimate insight into the Ram's WRs as well as McVay's scheme.

On the positive side, it should force Sean to do what I've know he must....to overhaul his whole offensive scheme.

Holmes wants to take Ray Agnew with him to Detroit. Holmes was dir. of pro scouting, and Agnew is dir of college scouting. He would be Holme's Asst. GM. That would give them two key guys to try to turn the Lions roster around quickly.

This coming season could look a whole lot different in a lot of ways offensively and defensively.
It's not like our offense has been anything special the last couple of years and it appears that everybody already knows our scheme.
 

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I really can’t wrap my head around it. I’ve never seen a team get poached like this. Are we not paying our guys enough? Sean’s coaching tree is a fucking sequoia.
 

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Pleasant being interviewed for the Lions CB coach job too.

Why the fuck do the Rams seemingly get poached so much
 

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Pleasant being interviewed for the Lions CB coach job too.

Why the fuck do the Rams seemingly get poached so much

I put this in another thread didn't want to start a new one but basically asked the same exact questions. Why the hell aren't teams poaching the chiefs??? Biniemy should have a job RT now and there front office has done a great job getting talent and keeping it. Why is everyone so eager to dismantle the rams lol. It pisses me off and the effin lions.....get bent!!
 

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Is it really that bad?

Taylor and Staley got head coaching jobs; and McVay allowed Lafleur to make a lateral move to TN where he could call plays.

Who else of substance has gotten poached? Joe Barry? Is that a problem?

They have had Waldron for four years (I believe). I think the last two as Passing Game Coordinator. Hasn’t the passing game declined over the past two years?

Now Aubrey Pleasant would be a loss if he goes. But look at it from his point-of-view. Pleasant did not get the DC job last year when McVay went outside the organization; and he did not get it this time when the Rams looked outside the organization again.

Seems reasonable that Pleasant would want to consider options. Plus, if it’s a lateral move (CB coach to DB coach ... not sure if that’s considered lateral) McVay could have stopped it.

Now Denver has been poached. With a defensive head coach, they lost their LB Coach last off-season (Staley) and their DB coach (Hill) last week. Two terrific young position coaches getting opportunities to advance. Heck, the Broncos have been sub-.500 both years.
 
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I really can’t wrap my head around it. I’ve never seen a team get poached like this. Are we not paying our guys enough? Sean’s coaching tree is a fucking sequoia.
There's no mystery Leg. McVay is that good. All the owners want a piece of that shit. They want the work and practice plans and approach, the game preps, the travel sched and approach, how they tie in the medical side, the whole 9. This team's cutting edge in a lot of ways and owners want it.
 

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Sean McVay’s coaching tree is growing remarkably fast

Sean McVay has been a head coach for four years, yet despite being hired by the Rams in 2017, he’s still the NFL’s youngest head coach. At 34 years old, McVay has had incredible success in Los Angeles, leading the Rams to the playoffs three times and one Super Bowl appearance.

But what’s just as impressive as what McVay has accomplished on the field is how many opportunities he’s created for others on his coaching staff. McVay said last year that he’s “too young to have a coaching tree” after helping pave the way for Matt LaFleur and Zac Taylor to become head coaches.

But looking at it now, that’s hardly the case. McVay’s coaching tree is growing by the year, sprouting another branch this week with Brandon Staley being hired as the Chargers’ head coach.

Here’s a look at the three former assistants of McVay’s who went on to head-coaching gigs.

Matt LaFleur

LaFleur only spent one season with McVay in Los Angeles, but their relationship goes way back to when they were on the same staff in Washington. In 2017 with the Rams, LaFleur was the team’s offensive coordinator – though he didn’t call the plays. That year, the Rams finished first in the NFL in points scored and 10th in yards, which were good bullet points to put on LaFleur’s resume. He helped Jared Goff that year, too, taking him from a disastrous rookie season to a Pro Bowler in one season. LaFleur bolted for Tennessee after the 2017 season and became the Titans’ offensive coordinator, a job that afforded him the chance to call the plays. After a one-year stay in Tennessee, he was hired as the Packers’ head coach and has gone 28-7 (including the playoffs) since then. His Packers will play the Buccaneers in the NFC championship on Sunday with a trip to the Super Bowl on the line.

Zac Taylor

Taylor stayed in Los Angeles one year longer than LaFleur did. He started out as the assistant wide receivers coach in 2017 before being promoted to quarterbacks coach in 2018. Continuing to help Goff improve was a critical part of the job and Taylor did just that. Goff made the Pro Bowl for the second straight season, throwing a career-high 32 touchdown passes with 4,688 yards and a passer rating of 101.1. It was the best season of his career thus far, and Goff has regressed since Taylor left the Rams. Taylor didn’t take a year away from Los Angeles before being hired as a head coach the way LaFleur did. He went straight from QBs coach to head coach of the Bengals when he was hired by Cincinnati in 2019. The last two years have been bumpy, though, as the Bengals went 2-14 and 4-11-1. The offense has stalled out and some mentioned Taylor as being on the hot seat, but he’ll get another chance to improve with Joe Burrow next season.

Brandon Staley

McVay hired Staley to replace the legendary Wade Phillips last offseason, a move that caught many people by surprise. He had only been an outside linebackers coach prior to this opportunity, but he exceeded all expectations. The Rams had the No. 1 defense in the NFL this season under Staley’s guidance, ranking first in points allowed, yards allowed and passing defense. It’s hard to criticize anything Staley did this season, elevating the play of guys like Jalen Ramsey, Leonard Floyd and Darious Williams. He was hired this week as the Chargers’ head coach, completing his rapid rise from former Division III coach at John Carroll to NFL head coach. He shouldn’t be expected to immediately turn the Chargers into the league’s best defense, but Staley has the pieces in place with the likes of Joey Bosa and Derwin James, among others.
 

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And... this piece on the tree that sprang McVay

Sean McVay sprang from the NFL's most underrated coaching tree

LOS ANGELES -- Late into the evening after his first playoff victory two weeks ago, Los Angeles Rams head coach Sean McVay finally exhaled. The whirlwind week leading to a 30-22 win over the Dallas Cowboys in the NFC divisional playoffs behind him, McVay reflected on achieving a career milestone. Not surprisingly, his thoughts quickly turned to the Washington Redskins.

For four seasons, beginning in 2010, he was part of a Redskins coaching staff that included three assistants who would go on to become head coaches: McVay, Kyle Shanahan of the San Francisco 49ers and Matt LaFleur -- the new Green Bay Packers coach. It was a group that pushed McVay to always be at his best.

"How about those guys that we had there in Washington!" said McVay, whose Rams will face the New England Patriots in Super Bowl LIII. "Just so many great memories about the process and working with that group each day to put the players in the best position we could.

"It was just a real special time. You knew you were not only working with really smart, hard-working coaches, but you knew we were all focused on the same goals and trying to do it the right way to get there. You look at the success so many guys we had there have gone on to have, the coaches that they've become, and it makes you feel good that you were part of it."

McVay was a key member of a strong offensive staff assembled by then-Redskins head coach Mike Shanahan.

In 2017, the 49ers and Rams hired Kyle Shanahan and McVay, respectively, as head coaches. Then the Packers in this hiring cycle tapped LaFleur -- who worked on staffs under both Kyle Shanahan and McVay after they all left Washington -- to replace Mike McCarthy. During an era in which owners prefer to fill head-coaching openings with coaches who have experience on the offensive side -- and an era in which the development of young quarterbacks is paramount -- the branches of Mike Shanahan's tree are growing wide.

The Bill Walsh and Bill Parcells/Bill Belichick coaching trees are the greatest in NFL history.

Currently, Kansas City Chiefs head coach Andy Reid, who's from a branch of the Walsh tree, has the league's most successful group of former assistants. Both John Harbaugh of the Baltimore Ravens and Doug Pederson of the Philadelphia Eagles have won Super Bowls. Carolina Panthers head coach Ron Rivera led his team to a Super Bowl.

Over the past few years, though, Mike Shanahan's onetime underlings have come to occupy a prominent place in the game. In fact, McVay is literally changing the game.

When the Rams hired McVay on Jan. 12, 2017, he became the youngest head coach in the league's modern era at 30 years, 11 months. Last week, McVay, at 32, became the youngest head coach in NFL history to win a playoff game, according to the Elias Sports Bureau. (McVay turned 33 on Thursday.)

In only two seasons with the Rams, McVay -- named the 2017 Coach of the Year by the Pro Football Writers of America -- has directed a stunning turnaround.

Last season, the Rams ended a playoff drought of 12 seasons. McVay has led the franchise to consecutive division titles for the first time since the Rams had a run of seven straight from 1973 to 1979. He has an impressive regular-season record of 24-8. And he has been the perfect guide for two-time Pro Bowl quarterback Jared Goff, the 2016 No. 1 overall draft pick whom some league observers had unfairly labeled a bust after his rookie season under former Rams coach Jeff Fisher.

Mike Shanahan, who led the Denver Broncos to consecutive Super Bowl titles in 1998 and 1999, always figured McVay would go on to do big things.

Back in 2010, Shanahan was looking for an offensive quality control coach. He was familiar with McVay, having worked for the 49ers when McVay's grandfather, John McVay, was a longtime and high-ranking player-personnel executive in the organization.

"I was going to interview a number of guys for the position," Shanahan said. "But after my interview with Sean, I said, 'Hey, we don't have to go any further. This is the guy we want.' He was such a student of the game.

"He wanted to know what's being done in the running game, the passing game, offensive line ... he wanted to learn everything. And he's very smart with a great work ethic. You could see it wasn't going to take him very long."

The NFL is a copycat league. Right now, because of McVay's success, much of the league is copying the Rams.

In addition to the Packers hiring LaFleur, McVay's offensive coordinator in L.A. in 2017, the Cincinnati Bengals reportedly plan to offer their top job to Rams quarterbacks coach Zac Taylor once the Rams' season ends. Many owners seem downright obsessed with finding the next McVay.

Although McVay is flattered by other teams' recognition of the Rams' accomplishments, "It's really not about me," he said. "It's always about what all of the coaches and the players and everyone does coming together and working for a common goal."

"What I think about is about the opportunities that Mike Shanahan gave me as an inexperienced coach," McVay said. "I think about watching a Kyle Shanahan work. Just seeing the stuff he was running, his approach to different scenarios, and getting another understanding of what you can do as an offense ... all of that helped me grow."

During his time with the Houston Texans under Gary Kubiak, who was Mike Shanahan's offensive coordinator with the Broncos, Kyle Shanahan developed a reputation as an offensive whiz. He burnished it during the 2012 season.

To maximize what then-rookie quarterback Robert Griffin III did best, Kyle Shanahan -- Washington's offensive playcaller at the time -- installed an innovative zone-read scheme. It worked: With Griffin rushing for 815 yards (and a 6.8-yard average), accounting for 27 total touchdowns and finishing with a 69.4 Total QBR (No. 7 in the league), Washington won the NFC East division title, and Griffin was selected as the Associated Press Offensive Rookie of the Year.

"You look at the success so many guys we had [in Washington] have gone on to have, the coaches that they've become, and it makes you feel good that you were part of it." Sean McVay
"That coaching staff, looking at the offensive side, really did a great job in 2012 with putting in a new system," said Mike Shanahan, arguably one of the greatest offensive tacticians and playcallers in NFL history. "They really investigated what was going on at the college level and the pro level.

"Kyle, Sean and Matt ... I felt very strongly about the job they did to put together an offense that fit the skill level of a guy like RG3. Not everyone, looking at our personnel and making adjustments, could do that. Certainly not as well as those guys did it. That's for sure."

With Kyle Shanahan directing the Atlanta Falcons' offense in 2016, the team led the league in scoring and reached the Super Bowl. Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan was selected as the Associated Press NFL Most Valuable Player.

During Shanahan's two seasons with Atlanta, LaFleur was the Falcons' QB coach. In 2017, LaFleur joined McVay in Los Angeles. This season, LaFleur moved to the Tennessee Titans, partly to call plays. Now, the Packers are counting on LaFleur to help Aaron Rodgers return to second-to-none status next season. The Packers chose wisely, Shanahan said.

"Matt's a really good coach," Shanahan said on the phone. "He was a big part of that staff we had in Washington, and he was also with me in Houston, so it was eight years total. But the funny thing is that it didn't even hit me that there were [three future head coaches on Washington's staff] until I saw your text.

"It's cool for my dad, because he was the one who gave us all those opportunities. He had us all in that building. He gave me the room to continue to grow and work and really try to do some things that weren't being done. Maybe I'll really appreciate it more later. Right now, I'm just thinking about how much it means for him."

Strong ties bind Shanahan, McVay and LaFleur -- but business is still business for the three young head coaches.

The 49ers reportedly denied the Packers' request to interview three well-regarded San Francisco assistants -- including LaFleur's younger brother, Mike. Over the past two seasons, the Rams have finished atop the NFC West and the 49ers have finished last. Obviously, that's a fact that won't put a smile on Shanahan's face. Although McVay has immense respect for Shanahan, McVay hopes to crush his colleague's team whenever they meet. Now, LaFleur will be among their sideline counterparts.

"The friendship will still be there," Shanahan said. "But we all have a job to do."

Based on how Mike Shanahan's tree is growing, it appears that those former Redskins assistants are doing their jobs quite well.
 

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Pleasant being interviewed for the Lions CB coach job too.

Why the fuck do the Rams seemingly get poached so much

He's actually being interviewed for Secondary Coach, which is an upgrade from CB Coach, the Rams have two DB coaches CB's & Safeties.

I concur about the Rams getting poached and the likes of the Steelers & Ravens never seem to get poached.
 

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He's actually being interviewed for Secondary Coach, which is an upgrade from CB Coach, the Rams have two DB coaches CB's & Safeties.

I concur about the Rams getting poached and the likes of the Steelers & Ravens never seem to get poached.
I didn't realize he was being interviewed for an "upgrade". Maybe he feels like that'll be better for him than being tagged just CB coach. I'm sure he's also a bit bitter not getting the DC slot a 2nd time.
 

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I'm sure he's also a bit bitter not getting the DC slot a 2nd time.

I don't think so, especially when someone like Raheem Morris is hired, but if he moved onto Detroit and is successful overseeing their whole secondary the opportunity to move up to DC would improve because of his overall body of work.
 

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I concur about the Rams getting poached and the likes of the Steelers & Ravens never seem to get poached.
Again, I have to respectfully push back on the idea that the Rams get poached more than everyone else. As Rams’ fans, we are just much more aware of Rams’ coaches.

The Ravens lost their DL, LB and DB coaches in the past ten days.

The DL guy (Cullen) is the Jaguars’ new DC (Jacksonville’s first choice may have been Raheem Morris). The later two went to the college ranks.
 

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The Ravens lost their DL, LB and DB coaches in the past ten days.

The DL guy (Cullen) is the Jaguars’ new DC (Jacksonville’s first choice may have been Raheem Morris). The later two went to the college ranks.

Well, good, it's about time and the Steelers? The Steelers? Name the last Assistant Coach that was poached from that organization during Mike Tomlin's tenure.