Aikman and Silver going at it

[Faceplant]

Yeah. I can listen to Aikman at least he's not a guy I turn the sound down for like Collingsworth who is a fucking simpleton. But I do agree with you that he's got something against Goff. And he always has.

I remember I think it was the Vikings game which was to my mind Goff's greatest game, and one that stands as a really nice example of what he can do. Goff hit a deep pass and Aikman was like "I didn't think he had the arm for that." And I just had to laugh, it's ridiculous the way he constantly devalued what Jared would do even the good things. Could have been a different game, think it was a deep pass to Woody where Kupp took the safety but either way.

Now do I think he does it willfully? No. I just think he has an opinion of Goff that is unflattering and it comes out every time he talks about him. It's pretty obvious.

You know who is amazing as an analyst is Vilma. I don't know how that dude doesn't get moved up. Every time I watch a game he does he nails it. How in the world the network doesn't see what he's doing I have no idea.

It was the bomb to Cooks. I don't think he was bagging on JGs arm strength, just that the ball had to be thrown 50+ yds on a rope to get there in time. Not a lot of guys can make that throw (we still have one that can), and I think that was all he was trying to say. If you remember earlier in the game on the ridiculous throw to Kupp in the corner of the endzone, Buck exclaimed "WHAT A CATCH!!" and Aikman followed with "What a THROW". I don't think Aikman has any agenda. I DO think Silver does and is and always has been a Goff/Fisher hump.

 

[badnews]

It's interesting. I used to feel that way about Aikman until I soured on Goff. I do think that silver's article was strangely pointed at Aikman and McVay.

I don't think it was strange. I think it was fair.
I used "disgusted" and "grossed out" to describe what Aikman was doing and for the way the Rams talked about it.
I know there's a majority who would support any behavior so long as they got their way and got rid of Goff but I thought the way the rams handled it publicly and the way Aikman talked was all beneath the level of class I expect from the team and an NFL broadcast head.

Jmo.

 

[Ram_Rally]

I don't think it was strange. I think it was fair.
I used "disgusted" and "grossed out" to describe what Aikman was doing and for the way the Rams talked about it.
I know there's a majority who would support any behavior so long as they got their way and got rid of Goff but I thought the way the rams handled it publicly and the way Aikman talked was all beneath the level of class I expect from the team and an NFL broadcast head.

Jmo.

I can agree with that

 

[KJD_Ram]

Let's face it...for the media and joe six-pack fans it started with the "15 seconds in the headset" and never stopped...I wish Goff good luck in the Motor City unless he's playing us...

 

[PhillyRam]

Let's face it...for the media and joe six-pack fans it started with the "15 seconds in the headset" and never stopped...I wish Goff good luck in the Motor City unless he's playing us...

I hated that talking point... I mean most of the time they don't even get to the line of scrimmage before the 15 sec mark. So he isn't helping him read anything on the field.

 

[badnews]

Aikman needs to watch tapes of him playing and see that he is way over rated, and that he really has no justification to criticize any quarterback.

This.

Criticizing bad plays is one thing.
I don't think that's the reason this is a story. Its certainly not the reason I hated listening to him this year.

My whole issue with all of this is while the rest of our team was getting worse, like the line play, the play calling, special teams coverage, the bad kickers, Hekker.... the only consistent narrative was Goff sucks. If he makes a good play? Silence. If he makes a mistake, nail him to the cross.

It was over the top.

Infact, I certainly wouldn't have felt so strongly compelled to defend Goff if I wasn't so bothered by the piling on that was happening by guys like Aikman, who was always overrated. The guy is a young dude, who got tagged with some bullshit narrative early. His mom and dad are watching those games.... I had never seen so much negative commentary in a game about a guy who never killed anyone, never beat his kids or his girlfriend, never lit a dog on fire... yet he was eviscerated with criticism.
You could watch the opposing QB make the same mistake Goff got ripped for and ...*crickets*.

So yeah, Goff struggled and some criticism was definitely fair. The problem is when there are plenty of other problems on this team and McVay and Snead and Aikman and Bradshaw and whoever else just tossed Goff to the wolves... THEN traded him.
Hey Rams, next time don't devalue the guy you plan on trading.
Good thing the Lions know Goff first hand. After the way the team talked about, nobody was going to give us fair value. It was not only a little shitty, it was bad business.

As bad as Goff played at times,, there were usually 2 or 3 other guys out there stinking it up as bad or worse than he was.
Aikman played QB but he knows lousy center play and how hard it is for a pocket QB to overcome it... but I don't recall Aikman saying Blythes name. Unless he did something good.

It was obvious what was up and I am guessing sometime between Goff starting the season regularly throwing 12 straight completions to start games... when Hendo was running really well.... I think by a few weeks later he knew he wasn't wanted.
McVay falling in love with Wolford and it seemed to hurt Goffs confidence.

I don't think we would have Stafford if Wolford hadn't gotten hurt. I seriously think McVay got enamored with his back up, sees himself in him. When Wolf got himself knocked out of the game, it probably was a deep sting to McVays pride.
So now he was in love with Stafford all along. Maybe he was. All I know is it all feels a little dirty.

 

[Mackeyser]

Before this, silver basically accused Mcvay and Aikman talking bad behind Goff's back , and that Aikman was using the info to trash Goff during broadcasts. Here's Aikman's response :

Troy Aikman Responds to Writer Who Called Him Out for Jared Goff Criticism

Troy Aikman gets dragged into Sean McVay-Jared Goff divorce.

www.si.com

Thats fantastic.. “unlike Michael Silver...”

Shots fired...

 

[Mackeyser]

Let's face it...for the media and joe six-pack fans it started with the "15 seconds in the headset" and never stopped...I wish Goff good luck in the Motor City unless he's playing us...

Well, like it or not, from the article I posted fro 2019 about making the case against giving Goff that big contract, the reporter spoke with several Pats defenders who outright said that the strat of giving one look pre-15s and another once the mic cut off was a key part of they’re defensive game plan.

And listen, I was one who called those insinuations BS and defended Goff.

But in light of reporting that a) that was an actual part of opponents game plans and b) it worked... I don’t think it’s an unwarranted criticism anymore.

 

[Ram_Rally]

Thats fantastic.. “unlike Michael Silver...”

Shots fired...

Did not hold back lol

 

[KJD_Ram]

But in light of reporting that a) that was an actual part of opponents game plans and b) it worked... I don’t think it’s an unwarranted criticism anymore.

No, probably not but my thought is, who doesn't take advantage of that rule? Are McVay and Goff the only QB/Coach who take
advantage of the comms? ...whatever....as far as the game announcers criticizing Goff, that was par for the course...in fact most game I just muted the audio, it's not like I need someone's opinion on what I'm seeing and we know more about the Rams than they do...

Like I say, I'll root for him in Detroit...maybe he can end the long suffering drought and be a hero to Lions fans...

 

[Jacobarch]

Aikman needs to watch tapes of him playing and see that he is way over rated, and that he really has no justification to criticize any quarterback.

Youre telling me he doesnt watch film? How do you know?!

 

[Mackeyser]

No, probably not but my thought is, who doesn't take advantage of that rule? Are McVay and Goff the only QB/Coach who take
advantage of the comms? ...whatever....as far as the game announcers criticizing Goff, that was par for the course...in fact most game I just muted the audio, it's not like I need someone's opinion on what I'm seeing and we know more about the Rams than they do...

Like I say, I'll root for him in Detroit...maybe he can end the long suffering drought and be a hero to Lions fans...

Every QB/Coach combo takes advantage of it.

The knock on Goff was that when presented with a different defensive look than what McVay could respond to, Goff struggled to adjust to the new look.

So, the knock on Goff/McVay for using the comms was idiotic and both Aikman and Romo both said it was stupid.

They also both said and rightly so that Goff had to get better at post huddle adjustments and reads because it was obvious to them that he missed some.

And while I disagree with Aikman and Romo from time to time, I would NEVER assume that I knew more about quarterbacking or had more general football knowledge than they do.

Might I know a few more specifics about the team? Yeah, but more about what's happening in real time? Not bloody likely. I mean everyone misses things and makes mistakes, but still...

 

[ReekofRams]

Youre telling me he doesnt watch film? How do you know?!

Because I thought if Aikman had watched tapes of himself he’d realize how over rated he was and is and wouldn’t be so critical. But maybe I’m wrong in hoping that Aikman could ever see himself as less than one of the all time great QBs

 

[Florida_Ram]

I'm one of the biggest Goff fans on this board and a lot of the critique of him annoyed me.

The truth is, I changed my tune after his 2019 season even with the flaws on the team.

I gave him one more season (2020) and he didn't improve his game so I ate a lot of crow by predicting him to be a future HOF QB for the Rams.

I was wrong but I'm still a fan of Jared Goff and appreciate him as a person player and all he did for this franchise.

I'm a bigger fan of Matthew Stafford now but that's because I'm a RAMS fan First before any single player on the team.

I'm excited for this coming SB with Brady vs Mahomes but I'm as pumped up for the 2022 season as I've ever been as a Rams fan.

GO RAMS and In Stafford I Trust.

 

[OnceARam]

Well hopefully, Stafford lives up to Aikman's expectations of what good QB play is.

 

[Merlin]

Thats fantastic.. “unlike Michael Silver...”

Shots fired...

I actually think that was a mic drop. As in "this exchange is done."

Everyone knows Silver's a Goff family friend and Cal homer. He's a fan like us (which is why I like him at times) but he's definitely not a fair and unbiased media member. Aikman for all his warts is undoubtedly more fair and unbiased than Silver is, he has to be as a national coverage guy.

Silver is all about the human side. Which again at times I really enjoy. But I don't watch the Rams to root for good human beings. I root for them to win and if they're good human beings on top of that then bonus. Which, for the record, is indeed the case. We have a hell of a nice collection of players in that locker room from not only a talent but also a human perspective. But this game is about winning and we have to be adults here and understand that IMO.