Without trading up, who do we know for sure would put us over the top right now?
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I think one of the remaining corners if we wanted an unbelievable secondary. Lemon or Tyson. Or trade back for similar players (Cooper, Concepcion, Sadiq, etc).
Yes I agree and have been saying that QB2 is the goal from this class. Get that cheap four years of control with a kid who fits the scheme, who can distribute the ball and move around well if he has to spell 9. And the best part is we don't have to blow a high pick to accomplish that.
Yeah, I think it comes down to only a WR that can help right away. I doubt Sadiq would given how stacked we are in the TE room and how long it takes players to acclimate to the position.
Boston gives us a year one X who can increase redzone potency. Also he backs up Nacua if necessary as he's strong enough and smooth enough to survive in the slot.
There's several NTs who make this defensive front nasty as fuck day one.
There's multiple ILBs who improve our terrible offball tackling and range and ability to handle running QBs.
There are a few safeties with different strengths who probably start early for us. Theieneman for example would start game one in our pairing because he adds real ball skills and centerfield danger to opposing QBs. The box types unfortunately I am not sure how they'd fit with Lake, nor do I know our plans for him.
Stowers would give the offense a chess piece who can move around and do different shit as the 3rd TE/WR on the field. In other words he'd eat a ton of snaps and back up Nacua.
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I get the impression that Brazzell, Bell and Bernard will be gone by then but who knows.
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I don't know, I was listening to Tice and Harmon talk Tyson and was fascinated at what they described as issues with separation, inconsistency (the highs are sky high but there are a lot of lows)* and probably lack of ability to play X consistently.
Not that he doesn't deserve a top 15 spot when healthy but maybe that's all he deserves. I agree that all these WR's have warts though Tate seems pretty great as a 1B kinda WR. I think Boston has grown on me a little. Lemon is still Lemon, lot to like but at what price, 13 feels rich still. KC is my fave but perhaps that's with the naive hope that his amazing catches show that the issue with his drops is a concentration thing that can be corrected. In fact, without the drops he's my clear #1 in the draft.
All that being said, every WR with probably the exception of Tate for me is a complimentary WR in the 1st - high 2nd round in this draft and not a stud so I think I agree with perhaps looking elsewhere in the draft for a WR. Perhaps take a guy like Freeling who could be a stud with some seasoning and grab a WR late in the second who's got some speed so even if he's a complimentary piece for this offense, it's a piece that we need.
* The high low thing about Tyson may be due to injury and lack of time on task, Tice and Harmon were talking about further injuries he had (ankle injury) that kept him out of things like Spring ball.
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It's all a crap shoot. But why take a guy with added risks like this when there are other options?
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I would add that if the Rams do surprise us and take Simpson at some point, then that would lead me to believe Stafford told them one more year and he's done.Yes I agree and have been saying that QB2 is the goal from this class. Get that cheap four years of control with a kid who fits the scheme, who can distribute the ball and move around well if he has to spell 9. And the best part is we don't have to blow a high pick to accomplish that.
Taking Simpson wouldn't guarantee him as the successor, but it would be a dart they throw hoping he can be. Of course they would have to really like him to do that. So its not like a blind dart throw.
I think a corner could because we play so much nickel and dime.
Sadiq would depend. I imagine Mcvay would love him on screens and in space. He could overtake Higbee. I think Ferguson and Sadiq could be a lesser version of gronk and Hernandez.
I think I disagree across the board on the quality and immediacy of players in this draft. The context of my question and what I was responding to was who would start for us.
I like Boston. I don't see him making a huge impact year 1. I see him stepping into being a full time starter in year 2 after DA leaves. This year, DA will still be our primary RZ option with Nacua second.
The NTs are ok, but the context was about immediate impact and who would start. I agree that some of the NTs could add depth, but none of them start, IMO.
I do agree that there are some ILBs who could help improve our defense right away. But we're not taking any of them in the 1st round, so what we do at 13 doesn't affect this position.
Our safety room is stacked. I disagree with you, here. We don't rush players into starting so I don't think Theieneman would immediately displace Kinchens. But I will grant it's a possibility that could happen. I doubt it though becauase Kinchen's play was much improved last year.
On Stowers, we already have a stacked room. He'd do all the stuff you envision, but not likely much of it in year 1.
Yes and I think you get a similar effect with the next tier of QBs as well. Simpson is going to be higher on team boards than the rest but how much higher is the difference in how I see him vs most others round here.
Believe it or not if the Rams take Simpson I'll get behind it. Been saying this. I always do, even when I know it's not likely to end up the way they want it to. But I figure the Cards, who need a QB badly, may take him up high. And if so I look forward to our DL harassing him into throwing INTs to our defense.
A CB would get some snaps. The question is, how many? I'd bet right now that whoever we draft at CB would likley be CB4 with Forbes as CB3. I didn't feel that's the impact you're speaking about pertaining to putting us over the top.
McVay tends to favor vets. I don't see Sadiq displacing Higbee in year 1.
Truth be told, nearly every year we overestimate how immediately impactful rookies will be. With our team as stacked as it is, with this draft as weak as it is, I feel we have to be prepared for the draftees to start off as depth.
We have two redzone weapons in the pass game, and a bunch of TEs who are better than any of the options to be our third wideout. So if they were to draft Boston then yes 100% he will be immediately felt in this offense because for what he is and what he does, which is provide a big body target with elite hands, who is always open, Stafford will use the hell out of that.
Also Stowers is not a TE any more than Kupp was or Jordan Reed was, or even Nacua is. And if any of them take on a DE they're gonna lose other than crackdowns or just getting in their way. He's a slot receiving weapon. For the Rams he's in consideration vs the other slot weapons, most of whom he is bigger than. And again he's very athletic, so this consistent push to include Sadiq up high when he's a shitty receiver in the pattern (Stowers is better than him), simply because people have wood over his workout (which Stowers damn near equalled), is absurd to me. Sadiq is not a fit. If the Rams take him, cool, but he won't be able to do more than catch screens or a very narrow group of routes in the beginning. Stowers on the other hand could spell Nacua when required, and he would also be preferred straight up in the slot over every other weapon who is not Nacua or Adams on this roster.
You asked who could put this team over the top. I think there's players who can do that for us this year.
McDonald would start over Ford week one as a NT on run downs. Ford would then be a piece who rotates in all over the DL, which would be a fantastic role for him. And there's other NT who are close to McDonald, like Miller for example who also can 5T for us.
Theineman I'll just say I have nothing against our safeties but there isn't a deep lying playmaker among them. Kinchens is marginal. Only guy who is above average is Lake and he's a box enforcer who can cover bigger targets in the slot. Which is why I say it's up in the air which of them fit. I think we're solid at safety but the Oregon kid is a whole different animal. It's been a long time since we had a safety who could swoop on a ball to the sideline.
I heard today, not sure if it’s true, that Tyson played more snaps last year than Tate. That’s an interesting stat (assuming it’s true). Our guy
