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Easily Roethlisberger. (I'm assuming the Whiner's QB is Montana.)

Roethlisberger is so fucking overrated. Two Super Bowls, sure, but he won because of his defense, head coaches, weapons, and protection in both of them, road all four for basically the entirety of his career, and when he didn't have them, he was terrible. Honestly, Rivers was the best QB from that class, even though he never won it all. (Yes, Eli's extremely overrated as well, but he's not in the picture here, sooo...)

EDIT: And before anyone says that all quarterbacks need those things to win Super Bowls, Matthew Stafford is a shining example of someone who found success and won mostly by himself without all of those things happening simultaneously.

74-90-1 and 0-3 in the playoffs is your example?

Comes here in 2021 with:
A future HOF head coach
One of the more stacked rosters top to bottom in both sides of the ball

He wasn’t going to the Hall until he got here
 
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74-90-1 and 0-3 in the playoffs is your example?

Comes here in 2021 with:
A future HOF head coach
One of the more stacked rosters top to bottom in both sides of the ball

He wasn’t going to the Hall until he got here

The defense and offense were't nearly as stacked as you think.

Aside from AD and Ramsey, who did we really have who was elite and in their prime? An aging Von Miller? Leonard Floyd? A rookie Ernest Jones (who wasn't nearly as good as he was for the Hags)? A broken Eric Weddle coming out from retirement?

Robert Woods and Tyler Higbee went down during the season. When OBJ went down in the Super Bowl, we had Kupp and a whole bunch of nobodies as receivers, running backs, and tight ends in the game; we won most of our games in the playoffs, notably, with little contributions in the run game. Whitworth was an elite left tackle, but he was a lot older and not in his prime, and the rest of the O-line wasn't stacked either.

And the fact that he even got the hapless Lions to three playoff series should show you that he could succeed, even with bad teams.

Stafford has succeeded with far less than Roethlisberger, and yes, his stats alone would've gotten him to the Hall, even without rings, much like Dan Marino. Maybe it wouldn't be first ballot like he will be, but his stats are amongst the best of those who have played in the NFL, and he clearly wasn't a compiler.

Roethlisberger is fucking overrated and needed everything to go right to win (and very well could've lost both Super Bowls - the first because the refs were absolutely biased against the Hags and the second win was a last-second drive with Santonio Holmes going nuts against the Cardinals). Stafford won with little behind him It's true that any quarterback needs help to make the Super Bowl, but a truly great QB can show signs of life, even little around him.
 
By the way, as a note, I'm sorry for my shitty spelling and grammar about how overrated Roethlisberger is and how good Stafford is in the last two posts.

I admit that I'm running on fumes because I stayed up all of last night playing Pokemon games and writing down how the battles went down (because I want to make fanfiction out of all of those games. Yes, I write Pokemon fanfiction, what of it?).

No real excuses, though, so I do apologize for the shit grammar; I do care about grammar a lot when it's my mistakes.
 
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I can almost guarantee we won't have an undefeated season. If we won the first 15 games we probably clinched first seed. McVay will likely sit starters the last two games. I also think its unlikely we win 15 in a row. Shit happens in the NFL.
 
Agreed. I'd prefer all the others before Brees.

Big Ben after him, but he was so strong he offered an ability to escape or still get throws off when rushers get to him. For me that puts him ahead of Brees.
Brees had that pinpoint accuracy and anticipation, though. He didn't have the biggest arm, but he could still push the ball down the field until the end of his career. Gunslinger, but smart as hell with his decision-making. A leader to all of his team.

As for Big Ben? He had the big arm, had the strength of an ox, but he was basically carried to his Super Bowl wins (notably never won a Super Bowl MVP, losing out to his two receivers in Ward and Holmes - while his defense helped win him games), whereas Brees was the main play-driver on that Saints Super Bowl run and won the MVP.

Roethlisberger was not the absolute leader Brees was. Roethlisberger was not the gunslinger that Brees was; while he put up respectable statistics, he falls behind Brees in literally almost every passing category - and before anyone wishes to make the argument about coaches, he showed that he would've succeeded in San Diego as well, had they trusted his rehab.

He's simply not a better quarterback than Brees.
 
I’d have to go with Montana. I still say Young was a notch better than Joe but Joe has the legacy.
THANK YOU! I thought I was the only one.
Young was tougher. He was much better than montana, imo.
Joe was a guy who didn’t fuck up and give it to you.
Young did what montana never did, come back.
 
So it seems we’re at a Big ben vs brees point.
The drive that beat Warner and zona was Big Ben.
That throw at the end was perfection. Fuck him! I so wanted Warner to bring 2franchises from skid row to a title.

Name the most significant drive brees ever had.
 
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Where's Kurt in that picture? He's the only qb that sent two moribund franchises to the superbowl.

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Moribund….wait, mods, is he able to use that word here on our humble, unassuming site?

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I had to look up the definition. I’m impressed as hell that @kurtfaulk has that in his arsenal just ready to fire at will. Maybe I’m just as dumb as a box of rocks.

I know that I have read that word in books before but never quite knew the meaning. I had an idea but had to look it up just to be precise. The exact meaning is a little bit different than what I thought it was.
 
I had to look up the definition. I’m impressed as hell that @kurtfaulk has that in his arsenal just ready to fire at will. Maybe I’m just as dumb as a box of rocks.
Don't let him fool you. He's been waiting for an excuse to use his new computer thesaurus for quite some time.