2015 Draft historically bad?

[Amitar]

What is with all this Love on the Patriots recently. I'm eating and about ready to puke.

 

[HometownBoy]

2009 was bad, call me back when half of the top 10 picks of the 2015 first round picks are either journeymen or out of football, let alone the rest of the first round.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I think the draft class was very weak but a couple of position saved it. Oline WR and RB were good. The lack at almost every other position was very bad.

I don't like Walter football but I believe the part about the Patriots. They picked last in each round. It was probably a stretch to say, only15 to 20 'draftable' players though. Belicheck likes very specific types when he drafts. I could see where he may have felt that there just weren't many of them in this draft. If he just started picking players that he liked, all that it means is they were considered ideal fits for the team, by the staff. Kind of like UDFAs. Nobody likes them enough to draft them as a good team fit but there is something about he player that the staff likes to make them think there is some potential there.

I wonder how many UDFAs the Patriots signed.

I also wonder how many new schemes for cheating they came up with.

 

[Alan]

Elmgrovegnome seeing the possibility:
I think the draft class was very weak but a couple of position saved it. Oline WR and RB were good. The lack at almost every other position was very bad.

I don't like Walter football but I believe the part about the Patriots. They picked last in each round. It was probably a stretch to say, only15 to 20 'draftable' players though. Belicheck likes very specific types when he drafts. I could see where he may have felt that there just weren't many of them in this draft. If he just started picking players that he liked, all that it means is they were considered ideal fits for the team, by the staff. Kind of like UDFAs. Nobody likes them enough to draft them as a good team fit but there is something about he player that the staff likes to make them think there is some potential there.

I also wonder how many new schemes for cheating they came up with.

I see it the same Elm.

I don't wonder as much about new schemes as I do about what schemes they are already deeply involved with. Is there anything they won't do to get an edge?

 

[Limey]

Before the draft I read that after the first round there were a lot of players with similar grades, so there was likely to be a lot of difference between where teams ranked players, even before you consider scheme fits. Having read that, I didn't really buy into the fuss about whether some guys we drafted were reaches or not. I guess we will have to wait and see whether the level of talent taken in rounds 2 to 5 really was quite similar and what round it would compare with in an average draft. Last year 's draft was unusually deep, so this one may just feel weak in comparison.

 

[Ballhawk]

Belicheck likes very specific types when he drafts. I could see where he may have felt that there just weren't many of them in this draft.

Yeah, it's very difficult to find that many players that can beat a lie detector test!

 

[BonifayRam]

Walter lost all creditably (not that they had much) with their analyses on Rob Havenstein. They trashed the Rams for the pick based on how bad he did at the Senior Bowl (practice) especially in pass protection where in essence Havenstein had a great senior bowl and in fact raised his draft stock as some scouts felt he played much better in pads then he locked at the combine.

Morning den,

Been much discussion around where the Rams are making an effort to mimic the mighty Seattle team. With the Gurley Pick who most agree is a faster close version of "The Beast Mode"& then you think back to the selection of a ORT with their 2014 2nd rd pick #64 ORT Justin Britt.

So it did not take long for me to put these two together in my limited mind. I view the 2nd round #57 ORT Rob Havenstein early pick to be very close to what the Seattle did in 2014. Many decried that Havenstien was a very big reach @ #57. Well the same was also said about Seattle when they took Britt. Britt went on to give the Seattle team the best performance @ ORT not seen in a long long time made the NFL all rookie team @ ORT. Britt played a big part in getting the Seattle team back in the big game again. Britt started 17 games his rookie season.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/justin-britt?id=2543824

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/rob-havenstein?id=2552363

Look just about the same in size too...Britt was projected to go in the Rounds 6-7 so talk about a reach. Britt too played much better in pads & in the heat of the game than in the combine. When Seattle team lost the SB... & guess who did not in the starting lineup due to injury?....ORT Britt.

 

[Faceplant]

Oh whatever. Here we go judging guys who haven't even met their veteran teamates yet. Maybe the "pundits" and "sources" are calling this a weak draft because there weren't as many sexy names in the first round. The Rams needed OL, and this appears to have been an OL rich draft. That gave the Rams the option of taking, arguably the most talented player in the draft @10 and still get quality OL in the other rounds. If Havenstein, Brown and Gurley are all starters for us at some point, people are going to think back very fondly on this "weak" draft.

 

[blue4]

I get what you are saying Alan. This was a draft full of players who only seemed to fit certain types of systems. For example, we found players we just loved, but other teams wouldn't have viewed as draftable. Experts are really behind the Haverstein pick now, but only because he came here. He's only worth a second round pick here. I can totally believe that a team would run out of targeted players before the end of the draft this year. Everyone after the first round seemed to have either a physical hole in their style or a weakness in their game. In my eyes Cody Wichmann and Andrew Donnel show more promise than Haverstein and Brown just because they seem more well rounded to me.

I also get that you aren't criticizing our draft or the players we took. Just looking at how this draft seemed more unusual than normal. I agree.

 

[Corbin]

Before you read this I need to make a couple four of things clear:
Yes I know this is Walter football but this has nothing to do with their prowess or lack of prowess in commenting on the draft.

It's a given that I didn't like the Rams draft but this isn't about that.

My take on this is that, like many of us and many of the pundits thought, there was a supreme lack of talent (apparently) in this draft and so I'm wondering if we even had a chance to have a good draft.

Just because there were only 15-20 fits for their team doesn't mean that many other players weren't a "fit" for other teams. I wonder though, if eanyone else has ever heard about a team only having 15-20 players on their board they felt were really draftable players. I'd wager not.

Maybe we did as well as we could with what was available. Not counting the Gurley pick of course.

Yes, I know that hiistorically has two Ls but I didn't notice that until after I posted it and you can't change that.

http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill.php
Patriots "Winged it" in the Draft
Updated May 8, 2015
By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell

Some of the picks that received the largest amount of questions and were said to be huge reaches in the 2015 NFL Draft came from the New England Patriots. Sources told us that after the Malcom Brown pick, the Patriots ran out of draftable players before their second selection. That is why New England started to take players that weren't necessarily in the round that most teams graded them.

Sources say that the Patriots only had 15-20 players they viewed as good fits for their team. Obviously, the defending champions have a veteran roster without a lot of needs, and as a result, they only had a small amount of players whom they felt could truly fill a role on game day. Sources said that after the Patriots selected Brown, the remaining players in their draft pool were all gone by the time the team was set to pick at the end of the second round. As a result, league contacts said that caused head coach Bill Belichick to "wing it" from then on, and he took players that he liked the most.

That helps to explain New England's second-round pick of Stanford safety Jordan Richards who had graded out as a day-three pick elsewhere. In the third round, the Patriots took another day-three talent in Oklahoma outside linebacker Geneo Grissom. Sources say that fourth-round picks of defensive end Trey Flowers and guard Tre Jackson were better, but the rest of New England's picks could be hard-pressed to make the roster. The Patriots also selected a long-snapper in the fifth round.

Teams from around the league approach the draft in a different manner. New England had a pool of 15-20 players that quickly evaporated, and as a result, it shouldn't be a surprise if Patriots don't get a whole lot from their 2015 draft class.

It could be a horrible draft for talent IDK.... All I know is FUCK THE PATRIOTS

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Yeah, it's very difficult to find that many players that can beat a lie detector test!

Classic

 

[Alan]

Corbin nailing it:
All I know is freak THE PATRIOTS

My reaction to your comment:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBh895KdXAU

 

[LACHAMP46]

Last year 's draft was unusually deep, so this one may just feel weak in comparison.

Exactly, I had the same thought....after last year this draft may just may lack the actual number of players "they" view as draftable...And "they" represent the GM's & scouts...They true test is time, and the number of quality starters that remain in the game 3-5 years down the road...So, there is really no way to tell about this particular draft until 2018-2020

 

[Memphis Ram]

Last year 's draft was unusually deep, so this one may just feel weak in comparison.

That's all it there is to it, IMO.

 

[Big Willie]

2014 was a deep draft by most pundits accounts. Interesting that it was also the draft with the most underclassmen in history (98). When you combine the financial impact of the new CBA, it only stands to reason that players would come out before they are ready, as many "college stars" are more interested in getting to a second contract. In some ways, the CBA rewards late draft choices as they get to the second contract faster because they don't have the option year. In addition, with a higher number of underclassmen you get players that haven't fully developed and as a result they may not be as good as they would have been in their 3rd year of college (plus the redshirt year) or 4 year starters. DGB is a perfect example of a player who could have used 3-plus years to develop. Had he played even 3 seasons, he could have been remarkedly better as a route runner, pass catcher, and perhaps could have matured more so as not to do the bone-headed things he did in years one and two.

Worst ever draft class? No. One of the most undeveloped classes? Probably.