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Vikings season 3/4 (major spoilers obviously)

Discussion in 'OFF TOPIC' started by Angry Ram, Mar 27, 2015.

  1. Elmgrovegnome

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  2. Angry Ram

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    I still prefer laying out on my couch and watching on my giant screen. Thanks for the link though, it's gonna be great re-watching all the old episodes!
     
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    What did you all think of the mid-season finale, "The Last Ship?" I thought the time-jump at the end where 7 or 8 years have gone by with no sign of Ragnar and his boys grown to men was a bit jarring. The river battle was as intense as always.
     
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    I loved every minute of it. When that music played during Ragnar vs. Rollo I knew someone major was gonna die. Alas, didn't happen. At least on the Vikings' side. The deaths that did happen were kinda meh and I didn't really care about those characters.

    Also the time jump was 12 years. Aslaug said it's been 12 years with no Ragnar. Ivar is crazy. The other 3 are normal. The older characters are gonna look odd with aging, although I loved how everyone aged except for Helga.

    Looks like they are all gonna....wait for it....."assemble" in the fall and go back to Wessex for a major battle.
     
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    The only mention of the number 12 is when the messenger said Magnus is 12-years old. He was already a boy during the siege of Paris because Kwenthrith was trying to keep him safe. Aslaug said "We don't know where Ragnar is. He left soon after his defeat in Paris. We haven't seen him in years." I got the 7 and 8 years time-jump from reading reviews at IGN and AVClub. Who knows where they got it?

    Btw smug Queen Aslaug needs to go next.
     
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    If Magnus is 12, how in the world could Ragnar's offspring be mid teens? They look like they're in their 20s. Especially Ivar. Isn't he the youngest, and before the finale he was like what, 5 or 6? There's no way he's only 13 or 14. It has to be more of a time jump. It's probably a 10 year jump.

    Aslaug? I hope she doesn't get killed off soon. She's getting hotter lol.
     
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    Looks like we've compromised the time-jump down to ten years. :) Who knows for sure? Here are some comments by the Vikings showrunner.
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    http://www.ew.com/article/2016/04/21/vikings-finale-ragnar-king-michael-hirst

    Anyone who thinks that what has happened in [the midseason finale] is the end of the story is completely wide of the mark. Ragnar’s story is not told. Travis’ performances in scenes to come are some of the most extraordinary I’ve ever seen, so deep and moving. This is, and always has been, the story of Ragnar and his sons. I was very anxious of the sons to be there, present, right at the end of the episode. We can look forward to following them. But Ragnar’s story isn’t over by any means.

    I always anticipated the time jump. It was inevitable, because I wanted the sons to grow up, and I wanted them to become active young men. I wanted to change it up when Ragnar is at his lowest, you know? That’s the end of a big part of Ragnar’s story.

    What I want to do is disprove this idea, which used to be mentioned, that once Ragnar is dead, that that’s the end of the show. It isn’t! That was never going to be the end of the show. We are going to power through.

    People have asked me, like, “What is the time jump, exactly?” I don’t know, exactly! It was just enough time for the boys to grow up. Whether it’s six years or seven years or eight years didn’t worry me particularly. It did have, of course, ramifications in terms of: “What’s happened to the other characters? Do they look older?”

    It was very important to bring on Ragnar’s sons. So it’s something like six years.

    Rollo’s coming back, and I’m sure the fans will be delighted to know that.

    Lagertha’s a very important character. She’s a huge part of the story going forward.

    The actor playing Ivar, Alex Hogh Andersen, really is someone who’s going to take the show forward.
     
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    Interesting, so when does it pick up again? IMDB doesn't have an air date for the next 4 episodes of this season.
     
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    I thought they said on the show it has been 8 years. Somehow I came away with that idea.

    Now watching that trailer it looked like they are finally getting back to Wessex. Good. That place needs to go down. Rollo comes back? I am confused how that is going to work after what he did.

    How much of this is just made up and how much is based in history? Are any of these characters actually real historical figures?
     
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    Yes and no. The history of Ragnar is legend but there is also history for the wars between the Vikings and the English and the invasions of Paris.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragnar_Lodbrok

    As a figure of legend whose life only partially took place in times and places covered by written sources, the extent of Ragnar's historicity is not quite clear.

    In her commentary on Saxo's Gesta Danorum, Hilda Ellis Davidson notes that Saxo's coverage of Ragnar's legend in book IX of the Gesta appears to be an attempt to consolidate many of the confusing and contradictory events and stories known to the chronicler into the reign of one king, Ragnar. That is why many acts ascribed to Ragnar in the Gesta can be associated, through other sources, with various figures, some of which are more historically certain. These candidates for the "historical Ragnar" include:

    So far, attempts to firmly link the legendary Ragnar with one or several of those men have failed because of the difficulty in reconciling the various accounts and their chronology. Nonetheless, the core tradition of a Viking hero named Ragnar (or similar) who wreaked havoc in mid-ninth-century Europe and who fathered many famous sons is remarkably persistent, and some aspects of it are covered by relatively reliable sources, such as the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle.

    According to Davidson, writing in 1979, "certain scholars in recent years have come to accept at least part of Ragnar's story as based on historical fact". Katherine Holman, on the other hand, concludes that "although his sons are historical figures, there is no evidence that Ragnar himself ever lived, and he seems to be an amalgam of several different historical figures and pure literary invention."

    Siege of Paris (845)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Paris_(845)

    Siege of Paris (885–86)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Paris_(885–86)
     
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    The names of a lot of the characters are the names of people in Viking lore. Ragnar was a king/earl, he had a son named Bjorn Ironside who was a badass. Floki was a viking I think he discovered Greenland and Iceland and settled there. And many more are real names in lore, whether they were all alive and living together is up for debate and what they actually did, like Ragnar it's known he was a viking king but not much else is known about what he did. Bjorn is reported to have actually raided all the way through the Mediterranean to Italy.
     
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    So it's up to debate. Great. It's a minor thing, but still would like some clarity.

    It loosely follows actual events and characters. Stuff like the whole Athlestan vs. Floki thing was probably made up.
     
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    I loved the time leap, reminded me of the first one when bjorn was a kid then next moment a man.

    Ragnars return was amazing and I watched it over and over.
     
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    Just got caught up yesterday, watched the last 4 episodes.

    Was waiting for Bjorn to step out when Ragnar was looking for a challenger at the end, and really surprised he didnt
     
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    Same here! I so wanted Bjorn to step out and pull a "I'm your Huckleberry" line
     
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    had the clip all loaded but decided not to use it

     
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    have it recorded...didnt realize it started already but DVR was set to record all new episodes

    technology is great
     
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    I watched it. It was a slow episode in terms of action. Well unless you count the amount of sex.

    History had a "real Vikings" special after where they showed the actual Ragnar, Rollo, etc.