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A bit of a tired topic in this neck of the woods, but a good piece.


Is Rams’ Jared Goff a championship-caliber quarterback? No one seems to know

The Rams have a quarterback controversy.

Nobody can seem to agree on whether Jared Goff is a championship quarterback.

The smartest young mind in football loves him, Rams coach Sean McVay raving about him as if he were Tom Brady.

But the national pundits do not love him, in some cases even ranking him below Baker Mayfield.

The regular season loves him, as he has been voted to two Pro Bowls while improving in each of his three seasons, capped by last year’s top 10 finishes in passing yards and touchdown passes.

The postseason does not love him, as his last two winters ended in stink bomb losses to the Atlanta Falcons in the playoffs and the New England Patriots in the Super Bowl.

“I think the world of him,” McVay says. “I know I don’t want anybody else to be our quarterback.”

Yet according to the national narrative, he’s just a system quarterback, benefiting greatly from masterful play-calling.

“I see a quarterback who makes the reads, makes the throws, stands in the pocket … doing all these things to lead his team, to be a great quarterback, to be a Super Bowl contending quarterback,” receiver Robert Woods says .

Yet the narrative says it was really Todd Gurley’s team, and when Gurley crumbled at the end of last season, so did the Rams.

Back and forth the debate rages, the only certainty being the date and place of its conclusion.

This season. Right now. This is when we’ll find out exactly what resides under the No. 16 jersey and whether or not it can shoulder the Rams to a championship.

Gurley is hobbled. McVay is trusting. Teammates are buying. For the first time since the Rams emptied their pockets to move up a record 14 spots to pick the lanky blond dude with the top pick in the 2016 draft, this is clearly Goff’s team.

The most important story line of the season will be, what will he do with it?

The last time most folks around here saw Goff, he was banging his hands against his helmet after throwing a wobbly, off-balance pass to the Patriots’ Stephon Gilmore deep in Patriots territory. It essentially clinched New England’s 13-3 Super Bowl victory and made Goff one of the authors of arguably the worst offensive performance in Super Bowl history.

Six months later, during practice Wednesday in Thousand Oaks, he looked like a different person, joking with lineman, shouting audibles, and finding receivers in the tightest of spots.

“He has seamlessly and naturally become a leader,” McVay says.

A stilted and uncomfortable demeanor in Goff’s rookie year has morphed into a confident ease. Where once he projected uncertainty, now he carries himself with a sort of genial gravitas. Unlike some other NFL stars, Goff isn’t even making an issue about a seemingly inevitable contract extension that could be the richest in Rams history.

“It’s starting to become that even more and more every day as I get more comfortable, my leadership continues to grow, I continue to be the best teammate I can be,” Goff says.

He adds, “I enjoy it, I think it’s the way it’s supposed to be, something I don’t take lightly … when a quarterback grows older, it should become their team and I’m hoping I’m putting the right foot forward every day to make that happen.”

More specifically, this summer Goff is owning this team by taking more control of its offense, changing his plays with McVay’s blessing, the “system quarterback” making this system his own.

“Some plays, McVay is pretending his [helmet] mic went out, and says, ‘OK Jared, call your favorite play here,’ and he’s doing it,’’ Woods says . “It’s a great to see.”

One of his linemen said sometimes he’s calling plays that even they don’t see.
He’s a special player. I think his production kind of speaks for itself.
“Some of the checks, the audibles, are coming more natural to him now,” tackle Rob Havenstein tells T he Times’ Jack Harris. “Sometimes it comes out and we’re like, ‘Huh? I guess he sees something.’ Turns out, he’s right.”

Asked about this newfound control, Goff smiles. He understands his increased responsibilities. He clearly relishes it.

“It’s been great, man,” Goff says. “As time goes on you continue to grow and continue to learn.

“This offseason in particular, I feel like I’ve taken a big jump in that regard. Just continuing to understand the intricacies of our offense, just trying to become more and more of an extension of Sean. The best I can do that, the better we’ll be.”

McVay echoes that last statement, noting that the Rams will be better as Goff is more empowered.

“We’re able to do a lot more because of his comfort level, his ownership with the operation,” McVay says. “When you have a player that is, in essence, an extension of the coaching staff, you can operate in a lot of special ways.”

The Rams surely are hoping one of these special ways will be more confidence and better decisions by Goff in the postseason.

Goff has completed just 55% of his postseason passes, and has a 73.6 career postseason passer rating. Compare that with his regular-season 62.1 % completion rating and 94.7 quarterback rating, and some have seen a system quarterback who struggles when forced to make pressure decisions outside the system. This has led to the various rankings that have left Goff out of the top 10 with some strange choices in front of him. In one poll, Goff is ranked 12th behind Carson Wentz and Mayfield. In another poll he’s 13th behind Dak Prescott and Des haun Watson.

“Whose rankings?” Goff asks with a laugh before getting serious.

“I don’t have a feeling on it honestly,” he says. “I understand where that narrative started from and it doesn’t bother me because I know what these people in this building are thinking. The only thing I’m concerned about is the team, coaches, close family and friends. Anyone else, it doesn’t matter to me.”

He then pulls out the pocket ace that beats the likes of Wentz and Mayfield and Prescott and Watson. In three years, he’s already quarterbacked a team to the Super Bowl. They haven’t.

“They can say that all they want, as long as we keep winning games, I’ll be happy,” he says.

Not only doesn’t McVay buy the rankings, but also he bristles at those who continue to call Goff a system quarterback.

“Everybody wants to talk about that, he makes the system what it is … we’re able to do the things we are because we have the right trigger man that can really do anything that we ask,” he says. “He’s a special player. I think his production kind of speaks for itself.”

This season, it certainly will.
 

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Define it first. For many years, Peyton Manning couldn’t get a championship. Dan Marino never did. Favre played 19 years and won it only once.

Is Brad Johnson?
Trent Dilfer?
Joe Flacco?
Eli Manning?

It’s a stupid question. If he wins one, he will be. If he doesn’t, he’s not. That about sum it up? He’s played 3 years and been to the show- and lost. So within this sample size we’re questioning his ability to be Tom Brady? Drop Brady in Cleveland a few years ago and pair him with Hugh Jackson and then get back to me with your findings.

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Two playoff appearances and a Superbowl birth in his first 3 years. Top ten in pretty much every statistical category. If you had told me we would get that from our QB when we drafted him, I would have hugged you. Oh, and he's still just 24....yeah, let the haters hate.
 

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I just don't understand why Baker Mayfield, Carson Wentz, Jimmy Garrapollo, Dak Prescott, and even Kyler freakin' Murray get all the love, and Goff is still the "system" quarterback. You could easily make the case that Goff has outplayed ALL of them. That's ok... my gut feeling is that Goff loves being the underdog and actually thrives off of it.
 

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I'll go with McVay's assessment of Goff over some dumb arse sport writers who are all about creating drama just like all this crap about Gurley's knee.
 

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Two playoff appearances and a Superbowl birth in his first 3 years. Top ten in pretty much every statistical category. If you had told me we would get that from our QB when we drafted him, I would have hugged you. Oh, and he's still just 24....yeah, let the haters hate.

It is absolutely insane, isn’t it?

Seriously. He’s accomplished that much, but people still rag.

It feels so good to be past the Bradford/Keenum/Foles era.
 

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In my mind, he’s between the #4 and #8 QB already, and getting better.

The rankings mentioned, well, just get back to me when any of them make a Super Bowl, beat a great defense of the Vikings like a drum, win a shootout in the best game of the season against a Chiefs team that hadn’t been stopped all year, in prime time after practicing all week in Denver to play in Mexico and who has improved every year with ZERO drama in an offense that is NOTHING like his college attack.

I don’t want anyone else just like our HCSM.
 

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Sounds like the typical Bill Plaschke hate the hometown piece. *Yawn*
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It is absolutely insane, isn’t it?

Seriously. He’s accomplished that much, but people still rag.

It feels so good to be past the Bradford/Keenum/Foles era.

Just think, we used to try to talk ourselves into thinking that maybe Austin Davis might develop into a good QB. Now that was insane.
 

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Just think, we used to try to talk ourselves into thinking that maybe Austin Davis might develop into a good QB. Now that was insane.

Man. Yep. When nothing was going our way, we were desperate for anything positive.
 

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I'll go with McVay's assessment of Goff over some dumb arse sport writers who are all about creating drama just like all this crap about Gurley's knee.

Agreed. These guys like to think they know more but they can't get a job coaching so they write and talk. They are dreamers while McVay is a doer. I think I'll take McVay's word over theirs.
 

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A bit of a tired topic in this neck of the woods, but a good piece.


Is Rams’ Jared Goff a championship-caliber quarterback? No one seems to know

The Rams have a quarterback controversy.

Nobody can seem to agree on whether Jared Goff is a championship quarterback.

The smartest young mind in football loves him, Rams coach Sean McVay raving about him as if he were Tom Brady.

But the national pundits do not love him, in some cases even ranking him below Baker Mayfield.

The regular season loves him, as he has been voted to two Pro Bowls while improving in each of his three seasons, capped by last year’s top 10 finishes in passing yards and touchdown passes.

The postseason does not love him, as his last two winters ended in stink bomb losses to the Atlanta Falcons in the playoffs and the New England Patriots in the Super Bowl.

“I think the world of him,” McVay says. “I know I don’t want anybody else to be our quarterback.”

Yet according to the national narrative, he’s just a system quarterback, benefiting greatly from masterful play-calling.

“I see a quarterback who makes the reads, makes the throws, stands in the pocket … doing all these things to lead his team, to be a great quarterback, to be a Super Bowl contending quarterback,” receiver Robert Woods says .

Yet the narrative says it was really Todd Gurley’s team, and when Gurley crumbled at the end of last season, so did the Rams.

Back and forth the debate rages, the only certainty being the date and place of its conclusion.

This season. Right now. This is when we’ll find out exactly what resides under the No. 16 jersey and whether or not it can shoulder the Rams to a championship.

Gurley is hobbled. McVay is trusting. Teammates are buying. For the first time since the Rams emptied their pockets to move up a record 14 spots to pick the lanky blond dude with the top pick in the 2016 draft, this is clearly Goff’s team.

The most important story line of the season will be, what will he do with it?

The last time most folks around here saw Goff, he was banging his hands against his helmet after throwing a wobbly, off-balance pass to the Patriots’ Stephon Gilmore deep in Patriots territory. It essentially clinched New England’s 13-3 Super Bowl victory and made Goff one of the authors of arguably the worst offensive performance in Super Bowl history.

Six months later, during practice Wednesday in Thousand Oaks, he looked like a different person, joking with lineman, shouting audibles, and finding receivers in the tightest of spots.

“He has seamlessly and naturally become a leader,” McVay says.

A stilted and uncomfortable demeanor in Goff’s rookie year has morphed into a confident ease. Where once he projected uncertainty, now he carries himself with a sort of genial gravitas. Unlike some other NFL stars, Goff isn’t even making an issue about a seemingly inevitable contract extension that could be the richest in Rams history.

“It’s starting to become that even more and more every day as I get more comfortable, my leadership continues to grow, I continue to be the best teammate I can be,” Goff says.

He adds, “I enjoy it, I think it’s the way it’s supposed to be, something I don’t take lightly … when a quarterback grows older, it should become their team and I’m hoping I’m putting the right foot forward every day to make that happen.”

More specifically, this summer Goff is owning this team by taking more control of its offense, changing his plays with McVay’s blessing, the “system quarterback” making this system his own.

“Some plays, McVay is pretending his [helmet] mic went out, and says, ‘OK Jared, call your favorite play here,’ and he’s doing it,’’ Woods says . “It’s a great to see.”

One of his linemen said sometimes he’s calling plays that even they don’t see.

“Some of the checks, the audibles, are coming more natural to him now,” tackle Rob Havenstein tells T he Times’ Jack Harris. “Sometimes it comes out and we’re like, ‘Huh? I guess he sees something.’ Turns out, he’s right.”

Asked about this newfound control, Goff smiles. He understands his increased responsibilities. He clearly relishes it.

“It’s been great, man,” Goff says. “As time goes on you continue to grow and continue to learn.

“This offseason in particular, I feel like I’ve taken a big jump in that regard. Just continuing to understand the intricacies of our offense, just trying to become more and more of an extension of Sean. The best I can do that, the better we’ll be.”

McVay echoes that last statement, noting that the Rams will be better as Goff is more empowered.

“We’re able to do a lot more because of his comfort level, his ownership with the operation,” McVay says. “When you have a player that is, in essence, an extension of the coaching staff, you can operate in a lot of special ways.”

The Rams surely are hoping one of these special ways will be more confidence and better decisions by Goff in the postseason.

Goff has completed just 55% of his postseason passes, and has a 73.6 career postseason passer rating. Compare that with his regular-season 62.1 % completion rating and 94.7 quarterback rating, and some have seen a system quarterback who struggles when forced to make pressure decisions outside the system. This has led to the various rankings that have left Goff out of the top 10 with some strange choices in front of him. In one poll, Goff is ranked 12th behind Carson Wentz and Mayfield. In another poll he’s 13th behind Dak Prescott and Des haun Watson.

“Whose rankings?” Goff asks with a laugh before getting serious.

“I don’t have a feeling on it honestly,” he says. “I understand where that narrative started from and it doesn’t bother me because I know what these people in this building are thinking. The only thing I’m concerned about is the team, coaches, close family and friends. Anyone else, it doesn’t matter to me.”

He then pulls out the pocket ace that beats the likes of Wentz and Mayfield and Prescott and Watson. In three years, he’s already quarterbacked a team to the Super Bowl. They haven’t.

“They can say that all they want, as long as we keep winning games, I’ll be happy,” he says.

Not only doesn’t McVay buy the rankings, but also he bristles at those who continue to call Goff a system quarterback.

“Everybody wants to talk about that, he makes the system what it is … we’re able to do the things we are because we have the right trigger man that can really do anything that we ask,” he says. “He’s a special player. I think his production kind of speaks for itself.”

This season, it certainly will.


Easy Answer for me! Yes! I hope he is the Rams QB for the next 15 years!!!
 

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Question for Bill Plaschke... How many QBs have had a better first three years statistically to include a Super Bowl appearance? That is a very short list. Probably only Marino even if you include all the greatest.

The media are like lemmings man. It's sickening tbh.
 

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“We’re able to do a lot more because of his comfort level, his ownership with the operation,” McVay says. “When you have a player that is, in essence, an extension of the coaching staff, you can operate in a lot of special ways.”
I think this is going to show up big for Goff this season. It takes a while to acquire knowledge, integrate it and then execute. This season, Goff running the offense should start to feel like riding a bike!
 

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Fuck the naysaying talking heads. Funny how they don't talk about his performance in the Saints game.
 

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It's a stupid question to begin with. Of course Goff is a championship QB, He just played in the SB.
 

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I think this is going to show up big for Goff this season. It takes a while to acquire knowledge, integrate it and then execute. This season, Goff running the offense should start to feel like riding a bike!

It’s also why coaching stability, at the top, is HUGE.

Keep these guys together and they’ll shape the offense together.

McGoff!