The Navy Ruined Sailors/Marine Fun

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More evidence that my Navy was different than today's Navy.

I served in the Navy from 1983-1988. They allowed the sale of 3.2 beer on base to 18 year old squids, because GLNTC was within short distance from Wisconsin where the drinking age was 18 yrs old. Same thing in San Diego where 32nd street Naval base was a trolley ride from being in Tijuana, Mexico. It's no longer true at GLNTC because Wisconsin raised it's age to 21 (the bastids).

It's still a DOD rule, but the Navy decided to regulate the age to 21 years old at every base, regardless of how close it is to a legal state/country. What kind of freakin' stupidity is that? The original rule was an attempt to keep sailors/marines onbase drinking watered down beer on their off time instead of travelling mules away to get a drink, and then come home via car after becoming drunk.

You could (and still can) walk outside the base, catch a trolley to the Mexican border and shortly be in a Tijuana bar getting hammered at 18 yrs old. Of course in TJ you can get as debauched as you want to get. Legal steroids, prostitutes and street vendors selling fish tacos (most dangerous thing in TJ). But seriously, if raising the age to 21 years old base is for Sailor/Marine safety, how safe is it for 18 yr old sailors getting drunk in a foreign town where they will be taken advantage of while drunk? Tell us @Merlin ! I went to Tijuana a few time below 21 years old, but it would have been a much more frequent thing under these regulations.
 

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Time travel in the Navy! Did you pull an oar in 1088 or keep time with a drum?
 

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All the Navy cares about now is the political repercussions of a service member getting in trouble. They don't give a flying fuck about the people any more. Doesn't matter that they're on their way to 6+ months of standing the watch in the gulf or even when there's a regional war on and they're going into harm's way. But by God if they get too drunk or fuck a whore we need to burn them. Career over.

This turn started during the Clinton years btw. We pivoted from prioritizing two person integrity with codes and letting Sailors be Sailors on shore leave to righteous programs that pushed how we had to be a global force for good. Towards the end of my career it got so bad I almost dropped papers multiple times but managed to grind out to the finish line. It was tough though. They restacked the chain of command with sensitive consensus-seeker type leaders who were driven by fear decision making instead of tactical thinking. Placed the priority on how we appear politically over the welfare of our own. And relaxed good order and discipline to the point where it has risked our warfighting and engagement acumen.

I could tell you some stories dude. I have some crazy ones but they gotta be heard over beers only. They're that hard to believe. We have gone from gallantry in the face of great odds to enabling cowardice in our ranks. George Marshall, who was the greatest of US leaders in my estimation in many metrics during his lifetime, discussed this at length and attempted to put measures in place to combat the fact that a nation such as ours would inevitably decay during extended peacetime windows. Truth is we require wars to keep us sharp and since the last gulf war we have had many years of political dumbfuckery with career politicians sticking their fingers where they don't belong. It is unavoidable but I keep hoping we see a real turn where the nation starts to rebuild her military discipline because the foundations of today's world are pivoting and that always brings war.

Before I retired there was a missile incident where one of our picket units (i.e. your destroyers) was lit up by fire control radar and went to GQ with full battle measures. When it was over (nothing happened) there was a group of Sailors that required counseling and all manner of nonsense, to include many who wanted out of the Navy because it was too much pressure. At least one of them was in khaki. The Navy was scared by this, to their credit, and went with a "toughness" training evolution thereafter, but of course that is not going to be near enough to fix this problem. It's gonna be interesting to see how it goes and as always I am rooting for the Navy to turn it around but the outlook is not good right now. We just had a carrier pull in to port with a Captain screaming for help due to a COVID outbreak, which demonstrates the rampant cowardice we are dealing with. It's crazy dude.
 

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ONLY if I got me grog, my matey! AAARGH!
I know the period you mentioned. The Regan rebuild including refurbishing Iowa class battleships. I toured the New Jersey when she was berthed in S.F. along with an escort in the early '90's.
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I also saw the Iowa (?) towed out past the Golden Gate a few years back from this vantage point. I could barely see it which explained why they painted them that color gray. A coworker of mine, a veteran of the Coast Guard and long time Sea Scout instructor was allowed on one of the tugs that guided her out.
 

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More evidence that my Navy was different than today's Navy

I served in the Navy from 1983-1988. They allowed the sale of 3.2 beer on base to 18 year old squids, because GLNTC was within short distance from Wisconsin where the drinking age was 18 yrs old. Same thing in San Diego where 32nd street Naval base was a trolley ride from being in Tijuana, Mexico. It's no longer true at GLNTC because Wisconsin raised it's age to 21 (the bastids).

It's still a DOD rule, but the Navy decided to regulate the age to 21 years old at every base, regardless of how close it is to a legal state/country. What kind of freakin' stupidity is that? The original rule was an attempt to keep sailors/marines onbase drinking watered down beer on their off time instead of travelling mules away to get a drink, and then come home via car after becoming drunk.

You could (and still can) walk outside the base, catch a trolley to the Mexican border and shortly be in a Tijuana bar getting hammered at 18 yrs old. Of course in TJ you can get as debauched as you want to get. Legal steroids, prostitutes and street vendors selling fish tacos (most dangerous thing in TJ). But seriously, if raising the age to 21 years old base is for Sailor/Marine safety, how safe is it for 18 yr old sailors getting drunk in a foreign town where they will be taken advantage of while drunk? Tell us @Merlin ! I went to Tijuana a few time below 21 years old, but it would have been a much more frequent thing under these regulations.
I was in the Navy as well from 84-88

went to boot camp in San Diego , AO school in Memphis TN , then stationed at NAS Patuxent River , MD , then Finally on the USS Dwight D Eisenhower for 2 1/2 years were I did 1 1/2 Med cruises

yea , when I was in , the drinking age on base was 18 , didn't matter what state you were in , I but figured they changed that years ago to 21

so when I read your thread title , I thought , oh no , they're going to do away with the crossing the equator ceremony , going from a pollywog to a shellback , because their is a great amount a hazzing that goes along with the ceremony , and considering this sissified world we live in now , I figured some ones mom complained

you had me worried there :lying:

GO NAVY !!!!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hTlYLrEzq4
 

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I was in the Navy as well from 84-88

went to boot camp in San Diego , AO school in Memphis TN , then stationed at NAS Patuxent River , MD , then Finally on the USS Dwight D Eisenhower for 2 1/2 years were I did 1 1/2 Med cruises

yea , when I was in , the drinking age on base was 18 , didn't matter what state you were in , I but figured they changed that years ago to 21

so when I read your thread title , I thought , oh no , they're going to do away with the crossing the equator ceremony , going from a pollywog to a shellback , because their is a great amount a hazzing that goes along with the ceremony , and considering this sissified world we live in now , I figured some ones mom complained

you had me worried there :lying:

GO NAVY !!!!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hTlYLrEzq4

I hate to say it man, but I think they ruined the shellback ceremony too. Did they @Merlin you dirty wog! Where's my rubber hose, Merlin is rebelling!!
 

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You DO know that only Golden Shellbacks on a West Pac counts, you slimey Med Cruise wog!
Never cruised the Med. Did a few years in Sigonella which was great, and some repo stops in Naples and Rota but would have killed for a Med cruise. They hit some great ports.
 

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Never cruised the Med. Did a few years in Sigonella which was great, and some repo stops in Naples and Rota but would have killed for a Med cruise. They hit some great ports.
Just Subic Bay for you and a lot of figure eights in the ocean for you for 6 months.... In one Navy career, how many Dear John letters did you get?
 

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I never understood why it's ok for an 18 year-old to kill other people (or be killed) but heaven forbid they be allowed to buy a beer.