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FrantikRam

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I wanted to make a thread to discuss this. I believe this was yet another game changing mistake made by the Rams, but this time by McVay.

Seattle had the ball after our 5th turnover with 2:46 on the clock. We had one timeout. Seattle ran the ball and McVay called timeout at 2:42.

Now, the play clock doesn't always start at this exact second, but there was one more second to play with..

McVay should NOT have used the timeout there. At least not yet. Here's why:

When the runningback was tackled at 2:42, there's a chance the playclock starts at 2:41 - whether it did or not, that's something McVay has to wait and see. If it did, Seattle would have had to run a play BEFORE the two minute warning. It's a subtle difference, but it all comes down to time to run a play. Because we used our timeout at 2:42, it allowed Seattle to run one play and get down to the two minute warning. But if the playclock would have started at 2:41, Seattle STILL would have had to run one play to get it down to the two minute warning. Here is a breakdown of what could have been the difference:

1st down - 2:46 down to 2:42 (timeout)
2nd down - 2:42 down to 2:00 (5 seconds for the play, then let the clock run down to two minutes)
3rd down - 2:00 down to 1:15 (then a FG)
Rams get the ball with 1:10 left in the game

If we had saved the timeout and the playclock didn't start until 2:40 or 2:39, McVay can just call it a few seconds later and the sequence is identical to the above

But if the playclock would have started at 2:41:

1st down - 2:46 down to 2:42
2nd down - would have had to snap the ball at 2:01 - 2:01 down to 1:56 (two minute warning
3rd down - 1:56 down to 1:51 (timeout Rams)
FG - 1:51 down to 1:46
Rams get the ball with 1:46 left in the game

Did anyone else notice this?

Of course, a few things probably change. If Seattle had to run a play before the two minute warning, they probably pass the ball because the clock would stop after the play no matter what. But still, McVay should have saved that timeout to see when the playclock was going to start
 

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I wanted to make a thread to discuss this. I believe this was yet another game changing mistake made by the Rams, but this time by McVay.

Seattle had the ball after our 5th turnover with 2:46 on the clock. We had one timeout. Seattle ran the ball and McVay called timeout at 2:42.

Now, the play clock doesn't always start at this exact second, but there was one more second to play with..

McVay should NOT have used the timeout there. At least not yet. Here's why:

When the runningback was tackled at 2:42, there's a chance the playclock starts at 2:41 - whether it did or not, that's something McVay has to wait and see. If it did, Seattle would have had to run a play BEFORE the two minute warning. It's a subtle difference, but it all comes down to time to run a play. Because we used our timeout at 2:42, it allowed Seattle to run one play and get down to the two minute warning. But if the playclock would have started at 2:41, Seattle STILL would have had to run one play to get it down to the two minute warning. Here is a breakdown of what could have been the difference:

1st down - 2:46 down to 2:42 (timeout)
2nd down - 2:42 down to 2:00 (5 seconds for the play, then let the clock run down to two minutes)
3rd down - 2:00 down to 1:15 (then a FG)
Rams get the ball with 1:10 left in the game

If we had saved the timeout and the playclock didn't start until 2:40 or 2:39, McVay can just call it a few seconds later and the sequence is identical to the above

But if the playclock would have started at 2:41:

1st down - 2:46 down to 2:42
2nd down - would have had to snap the ball at 2:01 - 2:01 down to 1:56 (two minute warning
3rd down - 1:56 down to 1:51 (timeout Rams)
FG - 1:51 down to 1:46
Rams get the ball with 1:46 left in the game

Did anyone else notice this?

Of course, a few things probably change. If Seattle had to run a play before the two minute warning, they probably pass the ball because the clock would stop after the play no matter what. But still, McVay should have saved that timeout to see when the playclock was going to start
I thought the exact same thing. I am not sure it made a difference this time. we had plenty of shots at the touchdown. Just missed. I hope they catch this though for the next time. It is an important aspect of time management.
 

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I wanted to make a thread to discuss this. I believe this was yet another game changing mistake made by the Rams, but this time by McVay.

Seattle had the ball after our 5th turnover with 2:46 on the clock. We had one timeout. Seattle ran the ball and McVay called timeout at 2:42.

Now, the play clock doesn't always start at this exact second, but there was one more second to play with..

McVay should NOT have used the timeout there. At least not yet. Here's why:

When the runningback was tackled at 2:42, there's a chance the playclock starts at 2:41 - whether it did or not, that's something McVay has to wait and see. If it did, Seattle would have had to run a play BEFORE the two minute warning. It's a subtle difference, but it all comes down to time to run a play. Because we used our timeout at 2:42, it allowed Seattle to run one play and get down to the two minute warning. But if the playclock would have started at 2:41, Seattle STILL would have had to run one play to get it down to the two minute warning. Here is a breakdown of what could have been the difference:

1st down - 2:46 down to 2:42 (timeout)
2nd down - 2:42 down to 2:00 (5 seconds for the play, then let the clock run down to two minutes)
3rd down - 2:00 down to 1:15 (then a FG)
Rams get the ball with 1:10 left in the game

If we had saved the timeout and the playclock didn't start until 2:40 or 2:39, McVay can just call it a few seconds later and the sequence is identical to the above

But if the playclock would have started at 2:41:

1st down - 2:46 down to 2:42
2nd down - would have had to snap the ball at 2:01 - 2:01 down to 1:56 (two minute warning
3rd down - 1:56 down to 1:51 (timeout Rams)
FG - 1:51 down to 1:46
Rams get the ball with 1:46 left in the game

Did anyone else notice this?

Of course, a few things probably change. If Seattle had to run a play before the two minute warning, they probably pass the ball because the clock would stop after the play no matter what. But still, McVay should have saved that timeout to see when the playclock was going to start
Yeah I thought he called some really strange timeouts early in the 2nd half that kind of seemed wasteful. Regarding Seattle's last possession I actually thought Pete would go for it on 4th and 2 sealing the game with a play action run by Russ. Great freaking game though. Down to the wire another NFC West gem.
 

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well if they ran out of time before scoring I would say it is an issue, but they simply ran out of downs
 

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I thought we had 2 timeouts when he called that one at 2:42:thinking:....:dizzy:

Stop wasting so many TO's....:rant::icare:

But he's a young buck...let him make a few mistakes in 2017:pillowfight:

We still were in position to score....we needed to make a play....:football:
 

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well if they ran out of time before scoring I would say it is an issue, but they simply ran out of downs

Didn’t the Rams use a spike in that series to stop the clock? One less chance due to clock concerns.
 

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I remember the announcer say that Kupp is going to have nightmares about that catch that almost got made. What they failed to mention is that ME the viewer was going to have night terrors. It been a rough day
 

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well if they ran out of time before scoring I would say it is an issue, but they simply ran out of downs

yeah but if they had an extra 30 secs they would have played it differently. could have gone for the 1st down instead of a td.

but then would they have been as aggressive on the previous plays? the drive could have been completely different.

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I remember the announcer say that Kupp is going to have nightmares about that catch that almost got made. What they failed to mention is that ME the viewer was going to have night terrors. It been a rough day
People talk about that drop like it was an easy catch. If he made that catch it would have been the catch of the day he was outstretched and the ball had a lot of heat on it to get it by ET and Kam. I would say more than half the receivers in the league aren't even in that position to make that catch. Kupp is a baller
 

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People talk about that drop like it was an easy catch. If he made that catch it would have been the catch of the day he was outstretched and the ball had a lot of heat on it to get it by ET and Kam. I would say more than half the receivers in the league aren't even in that position to make that catch. Kupp is a baller
One tough catch indeed but the trama remains the same.
 

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People talk about that drop like it was an easy catch. If he made that catch it would have been the catch of the day he was outstretched and the ball had a lot of heat on it to get it by ET and Kam. I would say more than half the receivers in the league aren't even in that position to make that catch. Kupp is a baller

legends are made from great game winning catches. it would be nice if we had the head on shot to see why goff threw it to that spot but any wr will tell you that if the ball hits them in the hands they should catch it.

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I brought that up yesterday a couple times . McVay clearly made a mistake there but deserves a pass since it was only his 5th game . I'm pretty sure he knows what he did and will pay closer attention next time . Every second counts and could've led to another 35 or so if called correctly. It is what it is
 

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Way too many "Ifs" to talk about this week

If TGII didnt fumble
If Tavon didnt fumble
If Johnson ran faster
etc etc etc

If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle


I'm on to Jacksonville
 

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Pretty observant. I went back and looked at the play, and he was down, tackled and on his back at 2:43. Good chance the play clock would have started at 2:41. But dang, that's a lot of calculations to do in that short frame of time. Really easy to do in hindsight with a pause button! LOL
 

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That's the second time for a similar mistake. In the Washington game there was 2:05 left on the clock after a stoppage by the referee he definitely wanted to call a timeout before the clock started or get a playoff before the 2-minute warning but he didn't and the clock ticked down and we lost the play. He was visibly disappointed, the camera caught that, I chalked it up to him doing his offense of coordinator stuff and not being that tuned into the play to play game activity.
 

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I realize it is splitting hairs one way or another. And we did have a real chance. Would it have been nice to have more of a chance....sure. But McVay did exactly as I would have. Too many times, coaches save those for inside of 2 minutes and end up getting 20 seconds. McVay gambled on the defense shutting them down and having to kick a FG. He was right. If anything, Higbee should have jumped up and handed the ball to the ref allowing him to spot it. Trying to get "a few more yards" where you do not know if you are down or not...might have cost us 5-10 seconds....but the situation was the same. We got a real good look into the end zone and while it would have taken a great catch. Kupp has done it before. Let the lessons that need to be learned.....dwell for a week. I think everyone will appreciate the overall outcome down the road. We proved we could win, not playing our best. I had not seen that as of yet. But I believe in it today.

So as Rhody stated....on to Jacksonville. Go Rams!