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Flacco and Ryan have been brought up as examples of early success (also Roethlisberger).
Career stats (both QBs have amassed good records beyond their rookie seasons, though only that is looked at below, as well as adding Roethlisberger, for comparison purposes to Goff). Ryan has #3 overall pedigree, the other two, with far greater post-season success were drafted outside the top 10, and therefore went to better teams. In that sense, the situations of Flacco and Roethlisberger more like Goff than Ryan, though a deeper look would be required to break down team context differences between BAL and PIT in their rookie seasons and LA in Goff's.
Flacco (11-5 as rookie) 16 games, 257/428 60%, 14/12 TD/INT, 6.9 Y/A & 80.3 rating
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FlacJo00.htm
Ryan (11-5 as a rookie) 16 games, 265/433 61.1%, 16/11 TD/INT, 7.9 Y/A & 87.7 rating
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RyanMa00.htm
Roethlisberger (13-0 as a rookie) 14/13 games/starts, 196/295 66.4%, 17/11 TD/INT, 8.9 & 98.1 rating
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RoetBe00.htm
Similarities in individual numbers (Roethlisberger had three less starts - Tommy Maddox may have began year as starter? ) - TD/INT not that different, Big Ben would have had about 240 completions in 16 games (3/13 or games missed/played nearly 25%) and would have had more TDs, he is better across the board in completion percentage, there is an interesting exactly one yard Y/A difference from Flacco to Ryan and again from Ryan to Roethlisberger. Due to this, Big Ben also has separation in QB rating.
Team context - Flacco had a very good defense at the time, with Hall of Fame caliber leaders in Ray Lewis and Ed Reed, and they had other talent. They may have had a good OL situation, too (better than now). Ryan had a strong offense (it helps to have SOMETHING to hang your hat on as a rookie QB, on one side of the ball or the other, Roddy White a Pro Bowl talent, T-Gon in the conversation as best pure receiving TE ever [[came to ATL in Ryan's second 2009 season]], and Michael "The Burner" Turner was one of the best RBs in the league at that time, with fresh legs playing behind LT in SD). Others can weigh in on what type of situation PIT offered at the time relative to LA.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlZQjNmHi88
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnQIajyaRTU
Career stats (both QBs have amassed good records beyond their rookie seasons, though only that is looked at below, as well as adding Roethlisberger, for comparison purposes to Goff). Ryan has #3 overall pedigree, the other two, with far greater post-season success were drafted outside the top 10, and therefore went to better teams. In that sense, the situations of Flacco and Roethlisberger more like Goff than Ryan, though a deeper look would be required to break down team context differences between BAL and PIT in their rookie seasons and LA in Goff's.
Flacco (11-5 as rookie) 16 games, 257/428 60%, 14/12 TD/INT, 6.9 Y/A & 80.3 rating
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FlacJo00.htm
Ryan (11-5 as a rookie) 16 games, 265/433 61.1%, 16/11 TD/INT, 7.9 Y/A & 87.7 rating
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RyanMa00.htm
Roethlisberger (13-0 as a rookie) 14/13 games/starts, 196/295 66.4%, 17/11 TD/INT, 8.9 & 98.1 rating
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RoetBe00.htm
Similarities in individual numbers (Roethlisberger had three less starts - Tommy Maddox may have began year as starter? ) - TD/INT not that different, Big Ben would have had about 240 completions in 16 games (3/13 or games missed/played nearly 25%) and would have had more TDs, he is better across the board in completion percentage, there is an interesting exactly one yard Y/A difference from Flacco to Ryan and again from Ryan to Roethlisberger. Due to this, Big Ben also has separation in QB rating.
Team context - Flacco had a very good defense at the time, with Hall of Fame caliber leaders in Ray Lewis and Ed Reed, and they had other talent. They may have had a good OL situation, too (better than now). Ryan had a strong offense (it helps to have SOMETHING to hang your hat on as a rookie QB, on one side of the ball or the other, Roddy White a Pro Bowl talent, T-Gon in the conversation as best pure receiving TE ever [[came to ATL in Ryan's second 2009 season]], and Michael "The Burner" Turner was one of the best RBs in the league at that time, with fresh legs playing behind LT in SD). Others can weigh in on what type of situation PIT offered at the time relative to LA.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlZQjNmHi88
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnQIajyaRTU
