Stafford Int To Obj Week 18 vs Whiners

[kurtfaulk]

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Please look at this interception and explain to me how it was different to the two ints Stafford threw to Jefferson?

All 3 passes were woefully underthrown with the wr running at full speed to beat the db.

Having said that all 3 passes were the right decision. Not sure why a qb with such a strong arm had such trouble with these throws last season.



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[Flint]

Don’t think anyone has a good answer for some of those throws. They just seem to be awful decisions I guess, the bad thing is they were located so badly the receiver didn’t have much of a chance to help Stafford out and at least get an incompletion out of it.
Maybe another offseason and camp can help Stafford get on the same page with these guys, it seemed like the receivers had good positions but the throws were just nowhere close. Of course the farther you throw it the less accurate it’s going to be, hope they get it figured out, a few fewer Int’s would be awesome.

 

[Allen2McVay]

There's a thread on page 2 of this Forum titled "Other NFL teams complete game video".

A game from Stafford's rookie season (2009) against the Browns is on the thread. it was a great Stafford performance (400 yards and 4 TDs), and his first fourth-quarter-comeback. It's a fun watch.

If you do watch it, there's a Stafford interception where he just seems to throw a deep-ball into coverage. Another play is a 4th-and-1 QB-sneak where Stafford is way-too-high and fails to gain yardage.

Do those plays sound familiar? They sure looked familiar to me, having seen every snap of 2021.

I think Stafford is great, and I am thrilled he's the Rams' QB. However, sometimes he is just going to throw a deep-ball up for grabs. And, if he hasn't figured-out after 13 seasons, to get lower on QB-sneaks ... it just ain't going to happen.

 

[OntarioRam]

I noticed this too last season. A number of Satfford's throws would not have been intercepted, and indeed, might well have been caught for big gains, if Stafford did not under-throw his WR who at times had beaten his man deep. It is definitely perplexing that this happened with the level of regularity that it did. Hopefully, we see it less often this upcoming season.

 

[bubbaramfan]

It could be that he's human and sometimes makes mistakes.....

 

[Psycho_X]

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Please look at this interception and explain to me how it was different to the two ints Stafford threw to Jefferson?

All 3 passes were woefully underthrown with the wr running at full speed to beat the db.

Having said that all 3 passes were the right decision. Not sure why a qb with such a strong arm had such trouble with these throws last season.



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Yeah Stafford has always had a "throw it up and expect my WRs to make a play a couple times a game" mentality. Once in a while it creates an issue but I think ultimately it makes him the QB he is and defenses have to always respect that possibility.

But he also mentioned having a "surgical thing" done this past month and was apparently playing through something this season all though it was never disclosed other than a toe issue and some back/throwing arm soreness (which to be fair he's 34, that's just part of life for him now). Hard to say what but I think it certainly affected him somewhat. I couldn't find the exact article but this one seems to mention them.

MSN

According to Charean Williams of Pro Football Talk and Cameron DaSilva of Rams Wire, Stafford revealed on Tuesday he had a "surgical thing" this offseason. The 34-year-old didn't offer specifics about the procedure other than saying that it "is going to make me feel better in the long run."

Per DaSilva, Stafford was on the team's official injury report ahead of January's playoff win over the Arizona Cardinals with a toe problem. He also dealt with "chronic back pain and pain in his throwing arm back in November." According to the NFL's website, Stafford had an anti-inflammatory shot in March that left him requiring a brace for his arm.

As noted by ESPN stats, Stafford finished the 2021 regular season third in the league with 4,886 passing yards, second with 41 touchdowns through the air, sixth among eligible quarterbacks with a 102.9 passer rating, and fourth with a 63.8 total QBR. One wonders if he'll enjoy even more success during his second campaign with the Rams following his recent procedure.

 

[AppeasFBlGods]

I think some of these throws late in the season had more to do with timing and adjustments than anything. OBJ was new to the offense, and sometimes they just weren't on the same page. For the play you posted.. there are a couple things. One.. it's not a super clean pocket so without much room to step forward.. it might have effected the throw. I'm not sure, but I think it's not a major issue.

OBJs route vs off coverage with some inside leverage typically means that OBJ should press inside a bit to create more room on the sideline. Instead he heads straight down the field. If he pressed inside, he would be a bit further back with more space outside him. I'm guessing that is what Stafford is expecting. This would lead to a slight under throw with the ball being a bit flatter and outside which it is. Now, OBJ still had a shot at it, but he now makes a mistake. Don't overrun the ball! This is a ridiculously bad adjustment by OBJ. The fact that he misreads the ball, then even fights to get more separation down the field when the ball is coming short.. he easily could have been there to get a shot at it. Proper technique would have been to read an underthrow and put the cb on his back as he gears down and shields the defender. Instead he flailed his arms and overran it.

The throw itself was probably a combination of Stafford and OBJ not being on the same page.. which happened quite a bit. (Makes sense for an in season acquisition). But the fact that it was then picked was an awful adjustment to the ball.

Honestly I think this is why the rams went after Allen Robinson. OBJ and Van Jefferson both poorly adjusted to balls down the field that led to turnovers. Van can stretch the field with speed, so if he gets passed the defense it can be a big play, but they really needed a true vertical reciever that adjusts well and uses leverage properly down the field.

 

[RamsOfCastamere]

Didn't he have issues with his foot late in the season? I think it's due to not stepping into the throw due to pressure in front of him or not planting hard of that back foot.

 

[Faceplant]

I think some of these throws late in the season had more to do with timing and adjustments than anything. OBJ was new to the offense, and sometimes they just weren't on the same page. For the play you posted.. there are a couple things. One.. it's not a super clean pocket so without much room to step forward.. it might have effected the throw. I'm not sure, but I think it's not a major issue.

OBJs route vs off coverage with some inside leverage typically means that OBJ should press inside a bit to create more room on the sideline. Instead he heads straight down the field. If he pressed inside, he would be a bit further back with more space outside him. I'm guessing that is what Stafford is expecting. This would lead to a slight under throw with the ball being a bit flatter and outside which it is. Now, OBJ still had a shot at it, but he now makes a mistake. Don't overrun the ball! This is a ridiculously bad adjustment by OBJ. The fact that he misreads the ball, then even fights to get more separation down the field when the ball is coming short.. he easily could have been there to get a shot at it. Proper technique would have been to read an underthrow and put the cb on his back as he gears down and shields the defender. Instead he flailed his arms and overran it.

The throw itself was probably a combination of Stafford and OBJ not being on the same page.. which happened quite a bit. (Makes sense for an in season acquisition). But the fact that it was then picked was an awful adjustment to the ball.

Honestly I think this is why the rams went after Allen Robinson. OBJ and Van Jefferson both poorly adjusted to balls down the field that led to turnovers. Van can stretch the field with speed, so if he gets passed the defense it can be a big play, but they really needed a true vertical reciever that adjusts well and uses leverage properly down the field.

This is what I see as well. That particular throw, OBJ needs to come back for the ball, not accelerate after the ball was in the air and clearly short.

 

[yrba1]

Deep throws are part of Stafford’s game: When it works, he’s absolutely amazing; when it doesn’t, bench him.

I do hope he’ll show more restraint in some of those tendencies to take care of the ball more now that he’s playing with a team where he doesn’t have to constantly carry it.

 

[Corbin]

Meh…

This is Staffords game. He was statistically the best QB in the 2nd half of game last season. You put up enough balls some are going to nabbed especially with a WR you haven’t worked with much.

That said I do believe Stafford did try to force the ball a bit to much to OBJ at times and started to make it predictable.

Media bring up Staffords picks as the most in the league but he was only 1 or 2 ahead of a few others they are on the nuts about. Not worried.

 

[AZRams]

I noticed this too last season. A number of Satfford's throws would not have been intercepted, and indeed, might well have been caught for big gains, if Stafford did not under-throw his WR who at times had beaten his man deep. It is definitely perplexing that this happened with the level of regularity that it did. Hopefully, we see it less often this upcoming season.

Just seems like the simplest explanation is a bit less arm-strength after 12 years?

 

[Merlin]

The difference between Odell and Jefferson is significant. Odell didn't play that ball well, but he generally will outposition the DB by playing the ball and attack it with those strong hands. Jefferson is just a different receiver, his tendency is to let the ball come to him.

You see Odell catch that ball over and over with his hands, locking that shit down away from his body. Jefferson tends to let it come to his body.

So for me the bottom line is if Jefferson wants to stick on this roster he's going to need to get more aggressive with the ball. That's something that should be coachable to some extent and if it doesn't take he'll finish his career elsewhere. Because McVay has the very highest standards which people are going to see on display this year with Kupp & Robinson doing their thing.

There is no universe where Jefferson is in Odell's class. He will never be as good as Odell. But that's ok as long as he can tune up his approach to best complement the guy throwing the ball.

 

[John R]

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Please look at this interception and explain to me how it was different to the two ints Stafford threw to Jefferson?

All 3 passes were woefully underthrown with the wr running at full speed to beat the db.

Having said that all 3 passes were the right decision. Not sure why a qb with such a strong arm had such trouble with these throws last season.



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I saw that more than a few times last season. I could only assume that either he was injured or his arm just isn’t as strong as it is in his mind, as it once was.

 

[Tano]

Yeah Stafford has always had a "throw it up and expect my WRs to make a play a couple times a game" mentality. Once in a while it creates an issue but I think ultimately it makes him the QB he is and defenses have to always respect that possibility.

But he also mentioned having a "surgical thing" done this past month and was apparently playing through something this season all though it was never disclosed other than a toe issue and some back/throwing arm soreness (which to be fair he's 34, that's just part of life for him now). Hard to say what but I think it certainly affected him somewhat. I couldn't find the exact article but this one seems to mention them.

MSN

According to Charean Williams of Pro Football Talk and Cameron DaSilva of Rams Wire, Stafford revealed on Tuesday he had a "surgical thing" this offseason. The 34-year-old didn't offer specifics about the procedure other than saying that it "is going to make me feel better in the long run."

Per DaSilva, Stafford was on the team's official injury report ahead of January's playoff win over the Arizona Cardinals with a toe problem. He also dealt with "chronic back pain and pain in his throwing arm back in November." According to the NFL's website, Stafford had an anti-inflammatory shot in March that left him requiring a brace for his arm.

As noted by ESPN stats, Stafford finished the 2021 regular season third in the league with 4,886 passing yards, second with 41 touchdowns through the air, sixth among eligible quarterbacks with a 102.9 passer rating, and fourth with a 63.8 total QBR. One wonders if he'll enjoy even more success during his second campaign with the Rams following his recent procedure.

Doesn't surprise me if this is true.

I stated in November that his passes just weren't thrown with the same pizzazz as earlier in the season and I felt something was hobbling him.

 

[rdlkgliders]

I was a bit surprised that his arm strength wasn't as great as I remembered it at times. On that throw with OBJ and Thomas, 20 just read it better he was behind OBJ when it was first thrown. OBJ just kept running and 20 broke to the ball. Bad throw and OBJ misread it

 

[MachS]

I think some of these throws late in the season had more to do with timing and adjustments than anything. OBJ was new to the offense, and sometimes they just weren't on the same page.

 

[PhillyRam]

Seemed to me some of those bad throws were cases of him being late on the throw snd just not able to get it there after his WR beat his guy.

Hopefully he improves his game management some more this yr...he seemed to get better as the season went along last yr. Even his INT in the end zone during the SB was at least on 3rd & long and not 3rd & 2.

Drove me nuts on some of those Hail Mary's when he threw them on 3rd and short in games where he had to sustain drives.