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So this guy thinks the Rams pass rush is going to struggle

Discussion in 'RAMS - NFL TALK' started by jsimcox, Aug 15, 2013.

  1. jsimcox Active Member

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    <a class="postlink" href="http://mmqb.si.com/2013/08/15/nfl-preseason-first-impressions/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://mmqb.si.com/2013/08/15/nfl-prese ... pressions/</a>

    Whilst he does go on to say that we are building a powerhouse, i just thought the statement was laughable. Clearly didn't even think to look at last years stats and then consider the improvements that the Defence has made for this year...
     
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    Re: So this guy thinks the Rams pass rush is going to strugg

    He's making that assumption by watching practice?

    lol.
     
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    Re: So this guy thinks the Rams pass rush is going to strugg

    Always take what the national media says with a few grains of salt.

    Have you ever seen them visit training camp? They show their press pass, walk along the sidelines, shake hands with a few people, watch practice for @ 10 minutes and then they leave.

    He can make an entire season's prediction based on a brief "one-on-one" drill?

    The Rams DE's are the least of my worries going into this season, if Long suffers a significant injury, then the pass rush will struggle.

    Fisher likes sacks. The Rams will tally a lot of them.
     
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  4. albefree69 Well-Known Member

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    Re: So this guy thinks the Rams pass rush is going to strugg

    It's a stupid comment but having said that, we didn't look very good against the Browns. Please don't mention vanilla if you respond to this cause I'll just refer you to what Coach Venturi said about that.

    On a related note, I constantly hear stories about Quinn being a one trick pony when it comes to his pass rush. he continues to get steered wide of the pocket by Long and others. Why do I never see him even try other pass rush moves if our D-line coach is so good? Just wondering. have any of you regular camp goers seen him working on other moves?
     
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  5. jjab360 Well-Known Member

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    Re: So this guy thinks the Rams pass rush is going to strugg

    What did Venturi say about that?
     
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    Re: So this guy thinks the Rams pass rush is going to strugg

    I respect Venturi, but the more I watch that game, the more I echo what the Browns' offensive linemen said about that day. We just weren't even trying to blow up their QB. I noticed that from the first snap, really. Very few blitzes, and it just looked like they were going through the motions and kinda half-assing it for the most part. There were a few guys flying around, but they were rookies (Armstrong, Ogletree, McDonald, Rashard Hall, etc).
     
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  7. albefree69 Well-Known Member

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    Re: So this guy thinks the Rams pass rush is going to strugg

    The short version is that the scheme used is no excuse for lack of execution. Think of the clash between the O-line and the D-line as a bunch of 1 on 1s. We didn't win any of them.
     
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    Re: So this guy thinks the Rams pass rush is going to strugg

    As Paul said, i think that says more about the Browns having actually having game-planned last week than it does about the Rams ability to get to the QB.
    They had a new HC in who wanted to make a statement by winning his first game, be it pre-season or not. It was clear that they wanted to win by the amount of blitzes they ran etc


    Kosar must have been delighted at their game plan. I mean after all, it was better than ours, the play-calling was by the Rams was just awful... Who runs on 3rd and 8 in the 4th quarter ;)

    Was that the right sarcastic font?
     
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  9. albefree69 Well-Known Member

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    Re: So this guy thinks the Rams pass rush is going to strugg

    That's all fine and good but I don't believe we're talking about the same thing. You guys are talking about what the Browns did defensively. I'm talking about what the Rams did defensively. This isn't a comparison. The Rams failed to get any pressure on Weeden and that my friends is not a result of game planning. Or the lack of it. It's a result of not winning any individual battles along the line. I don't care about the lack of sacks, I care about the lack of pressure.
     
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    Re: So this guy thinks the Rams pass rush is going to strugg

    Yeah, didn't Staley say that the Rams just stood there and let themselves be blocked?
     
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    Re: So this guy thinks the Rams pass rush is going to strugg

    I can't speak for jsimcox, but I was speaking about what we were doing defensively. Yes, we should have won those one-on-one matchups, but it didn't seem like it was all that important to our veterans on the D-line. Which was reinforced by a Browns O-lineman who said we were just kinda letting them do what they wanted. That's my own perception from re-watching the game too. I've seen motors run WAY higher than what I saw against the Browns, so maybe they just weren't all that invested in making a good showing in that *practice* game. Bottom line, for me, is that I'm going to reserve judgement about that meaningless game and look forward to one more meaningful (preaseason game 3-4, and regular season game 1).
     
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    Re: So this guy thinks the Rams pass rush is going to strugg

    On that point i would imagine its more a lack of effort on the part of the Rams D. They didn't really look like they were trying to me. Im not worried about Long, Brockers or Quinn at all, and they constitute most of our pass rush.
    My previous post was veering a little towards the end, however, the Browns O-Line could still have game-planned for us. Watching lots of film on the Rams line etc could be perceived as game planning.
     
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    Re: So this guy thinks the Rams pass rush is going to strugg

    I agree about the lack of effort being the probable culprit, I just disagree with thinking that it isn't a problem.

     
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    Re: So this guy thinks the Rams pass rush is going to strugg

    Would you consider it a problem if you knew that Fisher told the D-line to dog it?
    Similarly, did you think our stellar showing in game 1 of the 2011 preseason was a precursor to a great season? lol.
     
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    Re: So this guy thinks the Rams pass rush is going to strugg

    This is what our D-line looked like against the Browns. :lol:

    [instagram]http://instagram.com/p/dDFRI7AryS/[/instagram]
     
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    Re: So this guy thinks the Rams pass rush is going to strugg

    I said Staley earlier, what a dumbass.
     
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    Re: So this guy thinks the Rams pass rush is going to strugg

    Tomato, Tomahto.

    I mean, it only makes sense. Why would our D-line regress over the course of one offseason with the same personnel in the same system for a second year? Of course Fisher's not gonna come out and say, "Yeah, I told them to just stand around, basically." But he did say "Yes, we stayed very basic and that was our intention. The first preseason game is never an indication of where you're at because there are so many things going on."

    Good enough for me. Let's see what happens when he starts to turn them loose again. Our first game is against Arizona, so how much tape do we want to give them in these glorified practices? My guess would be ... not a whole helluva lot.
     
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    Re: So this guy thinks the Rams pass rush is going to strugg

    Yes and no. I would consider it to be a coaching problem and not a player problem. I'm not sure which is worse.

    As I mentioned before in another thread, not playing hard leads to injuries because, among other things, when you're playing hard you provide the force and when you're not playing hard the other guy provides the force. Here is very short article discussing this issue.

    <a class="postlink" href="http://www.wikihow.com/Stay-Injury-Free-in-Football" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.wikihow.com/Stay-Injury-Free-in-Football</a>
    That is just one article talking about that issue. I can find many more. Yeah, let's do things that have a greater chance of causing injures. After all, it's not like we ever have any of those. Perhaps if Saffold had been giving 100% his opponent wouldn't have blown by him so fast and by doing so, forcing him to try and stop him with one arm.

    You can debate this all you want but I doubt you'll be able to come up with any evidence that I'm wrong about this.

    But I welcome the debate.
     
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    Re: So this guy thinks the Rams pass rush is going to strugg

    I certainly DON'T think that Saffold was playing half-assed.
     
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    Re: So this guy thinks the Rams pass rush is going to strugg

    So you're saying only some of the players were playing "half-assed"? Which ones? Just the D-line starters?
     
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