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Safer bet for the Rams at No. 2: Wideout or tackle?
By Will Brinson | NFL Writer
April 4, 2014 3:36 pm ET

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...er-bet-for-the-rams-at-no-2-wideout-or-tackle

When the 2014 NFL Draft kicks off on Thursday, May 8, the most interesting team to watch -- for the second-straight year -- will be the St. Louis Rams. Jeff Fisher and Les Snead sport two first-round picks once again in 2014.

The first comes at No. 2 courtesy of the Redskins (still paying off that Robert Griffin III trade!) and the second at No. 13.

There's a very nice confluence of need and value for St. Louis, as wide receiver and offensive line are two of the deeper positions in this draft, particularly up top.

We can't simply assume they're going to take a combo of WR-OT; too much can happen between the top of the draft and the middle for that to be guaranteed. Also: it's the draft.

It would also be unfair to rule out Jadeveon Clowney or Khalil Mack at No. 2. This is Jeff Fisher we're talking about after all and those pass rushers represent special talent.

But logic dictates the Rams will decide between drafting a wide receiver or an offensive lineman at No. 2. I'm of the opinion that Sammy Watkins -- head and shoulders the top wideout in the draft -- is the second-best player in this draft behind Clowney. Greg Robinson of Auburn, a mauler in the run game, and Jake Matthews of Texas A&M, a more proficient pass-protection technician, are both very good options for St. Louis as well.

But which position is safer to draft that high? Let's examine how well these players have done over the past decade.

Via Pro-Football-Reference's awesome Draft Finder tool, here's a list of all wide receivers taken in the first round of the NFL Draft in the last 10 years.
Misc Games Receiving
Rk Year Rnd Pick Player Pos Tm PB CarAV G GS Rec Yds TD College/Univ
1 2013 1 8 Tavon Austin WR STL 0 6 13 3 40 418 4 West Virginia
2 2013 1 27 DeAndre Hopkins WR HOU 0 5 16 16 52 802 2 Clemson
3 2013 1 29 Cordarrelle Patterson WR MIN 1 8 16 5 45 469 4 Tennessee
4 2012 1 5 Justin Blackmon WR JAX 0 9 20 18 93 1280 6 Oklahoma St.
5 2012 1 13 Michael Floyd WR ARI 0 11 32 19 110 1603 7 Notre Dame
6 2012 1 20 Kendall Wright WR TEN 0 14 31 17 158 1705 6 Baylor
7 2012 1 30 A.J. Jenkins WR SFO 0 1 19 1 8 130 0 Illinois
8 2011 1 4 A.J. Green WR CIN 3 34 47 47 260 3833 29 Georgia
9 2011 1 6 Julio Jones WR ATL 1 27 34 33 174 2737 20 Alabama
10 2011 1 26 Jonathan Baldwin WR KAN 0 4 33 11 44 607 2 Pittsburgh
11 2010 1 22 Demaryius Thomas WR DEN 2 32 53 39 240 3698 30 Georgia Tech
12 2010 1 24 Dez Bryant WR DAL 1 36 59 45 293 4104 40 Oklahoma St.
13 2009 1 7 Darrius Heyward-Bey WR OAK 0 19 72 63 169 2380 12 Maryland
14 2009 1 10 Michael Crabtree WR SFO 0 31 63 61 279 3629 22 Texas Tech
15 2009 1 19 Jeremy Maclin WR PHI 0 27 59 57 258 3453 26 Missouri
16 2009 1 22 Percy Harvin WR MIN 1 39 55 43 281 3319 20 Florida
17 2009 1 29 Hakeem Nicks WR NYG 0 36 70 59 311 4622 27 North Carolina
18 2009 1 30 Kenny Britt WR TEN 0 21 57 30 157 2450 19 Rutgers
19 2007 1 2 Calvin Johnson WR DET 4 65 106 101 572 9328 66 Georgia Tech
20 2007 1 9 Ted Ginn WR MIA 0 28 104 40 197 2604 11 Ohio St.
21 2007 1 23 Dwayne Bowe WR KAN 1 43 103 97 472 6401 44 LSU
22 2007 1 27 Robert Meachem WR NOR 0 26 92 33 171 2800 27 Tennessee
23 2007 1 30 Craig Davis WR SDG 0 7 26 2 51 558 2 LSU
24 2007 1 32 Anthony Gonzalez WR IND 0 16 40 12 99 1307 7 Ohio St.
25 2006 1 25 Santonio Holmes WR PIT 0 47 103 89 381 5963 36 Ohio St.
26 2005 1 3 Braylon Edwards WR CLE 1 41 112 93 359 5522 40 Michigan
27 2005 1 7 Troy Williamson WR MIN 0 8 49 24 87 1131 4 South Carolina
28 2005 1 10 Mike Williams WR DET 0 12 56 30 127 1526 5 USC
29 2005 1 21 Matt Jones WR JAX 0 22 54 15 166 2153 15 Arkansas
30 2005 1 22 Mark Clayton WR BAL 0 27 83 65 260 3448 14 Oklahoma
Misc Games Receiving
Rk Year Rnd Pick Player Pos Tm PB CarAV G GS Rec Yds TD College/Univ
31 2005 1 27 Roddy White WR ATL 4 81 141 119 685 9436 55 Ala-Birmingham
32 2004 1 3 Larry Fitzgerald WR ARI 8 72 156 155 846 11367 87 Pittsburgh
33 2004 1 7 Roy Williams WR DET 1 42 115 94 393 5715 44 Texas
34 2004 1 9 Reggie Williams WR JAX 0 23 79 53 189 2322 18 Washington
35 2004 1 13 Lee Evans WR BUF 0 48 117 95 381 6008 43 Wisconsin
36 2004 1 15 Michael Clayton WR TAM 0 22 95 56 223 2955 10 LSU
37 2004 1 29 Michael Jenkins WR ATL 0 39 130 79 354 4427 25 Ohio St.
38 2004 1 31 Rashaun Woods WR SFO 0 1 14 0 7 160 1 Oklahoma St.
Provided by Pro-Football-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 4/4/2014.

38 wide receivers gives us an average of 3.8 wideouts per year in the first round over the last decade. That's 8.4 percent of all draft picks, which is a pretty high number.

Just on the "eye test" it looks like teams have gotten better about identifying talented wideouts in the draft. Do the numbers confirm that?

To determine I totaled up the Approximate Career Value for each group of wideouts by year, divided the number of wideouts and then divided again by the years since they were drafted. It's a very rough approximation, obviously. But it gives us an idea of average annual production from these wideouts without giving earlier draft classes a huge edge.
Year

Wideouts Taken

Approximate Career Value Per Year
2004

7

3.5
2005

6

3.5
2006

1

5.9
2007

6

4.4
2008

0

N/A
2009

6

5.8
2010

2

8.5
2011

3

7.2
2012

4

4.4
2013

3

6.3

If you're in any way competent with statistics you should have four or five gigantic red flags that says "SAMPLE SIZE" waving in front of your face right now. (2008's sample is so small it doesn't exist!)

But the evidence at least indicates that first-round wideouts taken in more recent years are making a bigger impact than before. That's good news for teams taking wide receivers.

But look at that list above. Drafting a wideout in the first round is fraught with disaster regardless of when it is. Reggie Williams (ninth overall!) to the Jaguars in 2004 seems absolutely ridiculous in hindsight, but Darrius Heyward-Bey is already on his third team and the Jaguars don't even know if Justin Blackmon can contribute in his third year because of off-field issues.

Busts galore in that list of wideouts. How about the tackle position?

(Quick note: PFR switched to an OL designation instead of T/G/C etc., in 2011. Hence two tables. A bunch of these guys -- the guards and centers -- won't be included in the numbers.)
Misc Games
Rk Year Rnd Pick Player Pos Tm AP1 PB St CarAV G GS College/Univ
1 2013 1 1 Eric Fisher OL KAN 0 0 1 7 14 13 Central Michigan
2 2013 1 2 Luke Joeckel OL JAX 0 0 1 2 5 5 Texas A&M
3 2013 1 4 Lane Johnson OL PHI 0 0 1 7 16 16 Oklahoma
4 2013 1 7 Jonathan Cooper OL ARI 0 0 0 0 0 North Carolina
5 2013 1 10 Chance Warmack OL TEN 0 0 1 8 16 16 Alabama
6 2013 1 11 D.J. Fluker OL SDG 0 0 1 10 15 15 Alabama
7 2013 1 19 Justin Pugh OL NYG 0 0 1 6 16 16 Syracuse
8 2013 1 20 Kyle Long OL CHI 0 1 1 12 16 16 Oregon
9 2013 1 31 Travis Frederick OL DAL 0 0 1 8 16 16 Wisconsin
10 2012 1 4 Matt Kalil OL MIN 0 1 2 18 32 32 USC
11 2012 1 23 Riley Reiff OL DET 0 0 1 13 32 24 Iowa
12 2012 1 24 David DeCastro OL PIT 0 0 1 8 19 18 Stanford
13 2012 1 27 Kevin Zeitler OL CIN 0 0 2 14 28 27 Wisconsin
14 2011 1 9 Tyron Smith OL DAL 0 1 3 31 47 47 USC
15 2011 1 15 Mike Pouncey OL MIA 0 1 3 22 46 46 Florida
16 2011 1 17 Nate Solder OL NWE 0 0 3 28 47 44 Colorado
17 2011 1 22 Anthony Castonzo OL IND 0 0 3 19 44 44 Boston Col.
18 2011 1 23 Danny Watkins OL PHI 0 0 1 9 26 18 Baylor
19 2011 1 25 James Carpenter OL SEA 0 0 1 12 32 26 Alabama
20 2011 1 29 Gabe Carimi OL CHI 0 0 2 9 32 19 Wisconsin
21 2011 1 32 Derek Sherrod OL GNB 0 0 0 2 12 0 Mississippi St.
Provided by Pro-Football-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 4/4/2014.
Provided by Pro-Football-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 4/4/2014.
Misc Games
Rk Year Rnd Pick Player Pos Tm PB St CarAV G GS College/Univ
1 2010 1 4 Trent Williams T WAS 2 3 31 56 55 Oklahoma
2 2010 1 6 Russell Okung T SEA 1 4 21 45 45 Oklahoma St.
3 2010 1 11 Anthony Davis T SFO 0 4 29 64 64 Rutgers
4 2010 1 23 Bryan Bulaga T GNB 0 3 20 37 33 Iowa
5 2009 1 2 Jason Smith T STL 0 1 9 45 26 Baylor
6 2009 1 6 Andre Smith T CIN 0 3 26 59 50 Alabama
7 2009 1 8 Eugene Monroe T JAX 0 6 26 76 73 Virginia
8 2009 1 23 Michael Oher T BAL 0 5 34 80 80 Mississippi
9 2008 1 1 Jake Long T MIA 4 6 51 89 89 Michigan
10 2008 1 12 Ryan Clady T DEN 3 6 52 82 82 Boise St.
11 2008 1 14 Chris Williams T CHI 0 4 22 69 54 Vanderbilt
12 2008 1 17 Gosder Cherilus T DET 0 6 38 91 87 Boston Col.
13 2008 1 19 Jeff Otah T CAR 0 2 13 29 29 Pittsburgh
14 2008 1 21 Sam Baker T ATL 0 4 32 70 61 USC
15 2008 1 26 Duane Brown T HOU 2 6 50 90 90 Virginia Tech
16 2007 1 3 Joe Thomas T CLE 7 7 61 112 112 Wisconsin
17 2007 1 5 Levi Brown T ARI 0 6 33 82 79 Penn St.
18 2007 1 28 Joe Staley T SFO 3 7 52 98 98 Central Michigan
19 2006 1 4 D'Brickashaw Ferguson T NYJ 3 8 52 128 128 Virginia
20 2005 1 13 Jammal Brown T NOR 2 6 48 86 84 Oklahoma
21 2005 1 19 Alex Barron T STL 0 5 27 87 75 Florida St.
22 2004 1 2 Robert Gallery T OAK 0 7 38 104 103 Iowa
23 2004 1 19 Vernon Carey T MIA 0 7 45 121 107 Miami (FL)
Provided by Pro-Football-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 4/4/2014.

Just 35 tackles taken in the first round in the last decade and, again, using the eye test it seems a little less "busty" right? Robert Gallery was an outright disaster (especially taken one pick before Larry Fitzgerald) and Levi Brown cost the Cardinals a decade plus of Adrian Peterson.

You could also (easily?) make the case that the wideout group has a lot more home runs than you'd find in the tackle group. Guys like Joe Thomas and Duane Brown are studs, but everything about the tackle group screams "solid" more than anything.
Year

Tackles Taken

Approximate Career Value Per Year
2004

2

4.2
2005

2

4.2
2006

1

6.5
2007

3

6.9
2008

7

6.1
2009

4

4.8
2010

4

6.3
2011

5

5.9
2012

2

7.8
2013

5

6.4

The data appears to back it up. Again: sample size is small and this is far from a perfect way to evaluate and compare positions.

The reality is tackle production's a lot harder to gauge than wideout. I'm not sure I'd say Eric Fisher had more "value" than DeAndre Hopkins in 2013.

But what you see is a little less variance from the tackles.

The wideouts who bust out tend to have much bigger busts but much bigger breakouts.

Having Julio Jones and A.J. Green in that 2011 class helps. But one thing I noticed in looking at this: top-five wide receivers are a lot more likely to be successful, generally speaking, than guys taken later in the round. Perhaps that's just something that is generally true; more talented players are available at the high end of the draft.

The jury's still out on Justin Blackmon (5th overall, 2012) and Braylon Edwards (3rd, 2005) are the only guys who stand out as top-five picks who haven't been a slam-dunk success and both those guys have seasons with 800-plus receiving yards.

Things are a little more dicey when it comes to top-tier tackles taken in the draft. Though none of Eric Fisher, Luke Joeckel and Lane Johnson set the world on fire their first year, there's data that shows tackles can oftentimes take a big leap in performance in their second year. It's too early to rule on them one way or another as tackles taken in the top five.

Matt Kalil (4th, 2012) established himself early as a potential cornerstone. Trent Williams (4th, 2010) has been very good when he's healthy. Jason Smith (2nd, 2009) was a massive disappointment for the Rams (irony!). Jake Long (1st, 2008) is now with the Rams after the Dolphins let him go. Joe Thomas (3rd, 2007) is one of the best tackles in the game still. Levi Brown (5th, 2007) is not. D'Brickashaw Ferguson (4th, 2006) has been nothing but steady for the Jets. Gallery (2nd, 2006) was an epic bust.

In other words, recent history says there's a little more safety in taking a wide receiver in the top five. The elite talent located at the top of the draft seems to rise. Tackle isn't quite as sure a thing, though the jury's still out on some of the young guys.

There's also a fine line when you talk about top-5 and top-10; plenty of wideouts taken from 5-10 in the last decade have been serious disappointments.

Whether it's Robinson, Matthews or Watkins, the Rams are going to get a good player. And they might end up going in a completely different direction, like a pass rusher or a trade. But Watkins could give them the biggest chance for hitting a home run with the second-overall pick.
 

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This is an easy one...

Matthews is bar far the safest high pick in the draft.
 

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This is an easy one...

Matthews is bar far the safest high pick in the draft.

Ala Matt Khalil. I would also put Matthews higher over Khalil coming out at Draft time. MINN did well dropping down 1 for CLE to move UP for Richardson. Wow did that already work exceedingly well for MINN so far.
 

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Ala Matt Khalil. I would also put Matthews higher over Khalil coming out at Draft time. MINN did well dropping down 1 for CLE to move UP for Richardson. Wow did that already work exceedingly well for MINN so far.


I recall people saying Richardson was the safest pick in that draft. Can't miss do it all RB. Shows just how tough it is to evaluate talent. He had a great Pro Day too.

OT is my choice. Matthews all the way. I don't want Robinson or Lewan. Matthews is the best pick in the top 5.
 

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I wish people would understand that it's not about getting one position vs another position, it's about getting the best player possible. Period.
 

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How can we think to draft a Wr with our first pick, with our started injured LT? Last year we paied our attention for a Wr, trading up.This draft, we are going to call a versatile LT, becouse we need it for the future too.Don't forget we have an injured Qb and we need an OL always fresh and ready to support him becouse, if he loses confidence in our line ... we can not afford to have any kind of problems with the OLM, would mean trashing another season ...
 

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I wish people would understand that it's not about getting one position vs another position, it's about getting the best player possible. Period.

No not really. If you have Andrew Luck and the best player is another QB do you really want to take him? If the need doesn't match up that is when you consider closely rated players. Or in the Rams case this year, do you take Clowney or take the picks you can get for him in exchange? In most cases teams rate players in tiers or groups. That is where need comes into play. Also some teams prefer to pick for need and then go up or down the draft board to find an appropriate match for that need. The Patriots and Falcons often do this. That is why the Patriots usually have extra picks. They trade down to take needs where they slot the talent. They have moved up on occassion when the need matched a covetted player. The Rams do it too. The traded back for Brockers. He met a need but they knew they could get him later, so traded the pick. They did the same last year. Moved up for Austin and back for Ogletree. Tell yourself what you want but they were need picks. If it wasn't for need then they just stay pat and take the best available player.
 

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No not really. If you have Andrew Luck and the best player is another QB do you really want to take him? If the need doesn't match up that is when you consider closely rated players. Or in the Rams case this year, do you take Clowney or take the picks you can get for him in exchange? In most cases teams rate players in tiers or groups. That is where need comes into play. Also some teams prefer to pick for need and then go up or down the draft board to find an appropriate match for that need. The Patriots and Falcons often do this. That is why the Patriots usually have extra picks. They trade down to take needs where they slot the talent. They have moved up on occassion when the need matched a covetted player. The Rams do it too. The traded back for Brockers. He met a need but they knew they could get him later, so traded the pick. They did the same last year. Moved up for Austin and back for Ogletree. Tell yourself what you want but they were need picks. If it wasn't for need then they just stay pat and take the best available player.
Of course you're going to adjust your board a little based on need, but you're wrong about the Rams making any picks based on need. I can guarantee you that the Rams didn't trade down because they thought they could get a good DT later or trade up because they wanted a good WR. They made those trades because they had Brockers and Austin as the highest rated players on their boards at the slot where they drafted them. They drafted players, not positions.

And yes, some teams do draft for need instead of value. The Rams did that for a long time under Martz and Linehan. Those teams typically aren't very good.
 

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If you have a need you absolutely must address, it's fine to draft for need, but NEVER in the wrong spot. You have to move up or down and get good value. You also should never move down if there is a talent available that is better than the draft spot you are at unless you make up for that in extra value.

Hence the RG3 trade. Washington drafted for need and paid dearly. Rams passed on his perceived talent put got paid the extra value.

That's why Rams will select Clowney if available unless a blockbuster trade is on the table. He won't be available.

So Watkins or trade down. No way Mathews or Robinson. That would be over drafting for need and that need isn't even that pressing. Rams have a solid O line when healthy and they are good at coaching-up linemen.

IMHO
 

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Of course you're going to adjust your board a little based on need, but you're wrong about the Rams making any picks based on need. I can guarantee you that the Rams didn't trade down because they thought they could get a good DT later or trade up because they wanted a good WR. They made those trades because they had Brockers and Austin as the highest rated players on their boards at the slot where they drafted them. They drafted players, not positions.

And yes, some teams do draft for need instead of value. The Rams did that for a long time under Martz and Linehan. Those teams typically aren't very good.

Whatever. I know what they did. Everyone else does too. Stopping the run was Fishers number one priority and they traded back to 16 to take A DT in Brockers. They gambled because they were pretty certain that he would be there...Why did they know that? Because they knew there were better players on the board that would go before him. If Brockers was the BPA then he is off the board at 6. Austin? They sorely needed a game changing WR. Everyone knew it. They targeted the player and the position.

Short of a letter from Snead or Fisher you can't guarantee anything. Speaking in absolutes doesn't fool anyone.