Roger Goodell gets new contract

[thirteen28]

Me. And for good reason.

He LIED to the players with information IN HAND about how repetitive concussive and subconcussive impacts have a CAUSAL relationship to CTE. AND, the douchebag horrible human being went out of his way to lie that the information that was out there was untrue.

He's a total corporate shitbag in the worst possible way. I firmly believe he'd set players on fire if he could get the owners more money.

And those have been my thoughts since the media was still ballwashing him, so any snark is purely my own and evidence driven.

Oh, and I'm not a sheep...I'M A RAM!!!

HORNS UP!!!

Let's not forget how he handled Spygate either ...

Or for that matter, his wildly inconsistent and reactive approach to player discipline. Or his biased manner of handling certain things, such as letting these protests continue and fester (alienating large swaths of fans and driving down ratings) while prohibiting other expressions by the players (the Cowboys commemoration of the police officers murdered in Dallas, players commemorating 9/11).

He doesn't lead, he just reacts and he's a walking PR disaster. The networks, which have lost a reported $500 million on the NFL this year due to declining ratings would likely agree.

 

[Angry Ram]

Goodell does not deal with problems until after they've blown up in his face

Yeah but then an owner gets butthurt when he does (i.e., Dallas RB). The game has done nothing but increase in popularity the past decade or so.

-HoF games getting higher ratings than NBA finals

-Record draft (which generally overall boring) attendance in Chicago and Philly. 2017 draft was the 2nd highest.

-Last year's Super Bowl was the third highest watched broadcast in U.S. History.

IF a team wins and have entertaining games, ratings are higher. It's that simple. And many teams have idiocy from the top down. That is a team problem, not a commissioner problem.

Personally I dont like the job he has done.
I dont need "the media" to make up my mind

??? Do you not enjoy football ? The commissioner is a guy in a suit. He is the rep of the owners. All I care about is an owner that cares about winning football.

Me! At least every time I see tick-poor officiating and witness a rule a rule change in action that screws-up the game, and prevents the Players from playing lights-out Football!! And this type of thing happens every week!
END-OF-RANT!! JMO!

I'm moving on from this. Two things...

1. The commissioner doesn't implement rule changes, it's competition committee.

2. Teams can and do overcome. Unless you are the Bengals.

This guy is seriously a POS. IDK what anybody says he covered up the Pats cheating and had the evidence destroyed as to cover up and protect 'the shield' tick on that.



Me. freak that guy and anybody who looks at him.



That/s my biggest questions.

Not surprised by this response. You must a joy when watching games.

and he's a walking PR disaster.

And how does that affect the game on the field? People care more about a suit than the logo on a helmet? Not me.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Let's have a beer together you sound like my type of bro.

Cheers

 

[yrba1]

Meh, just another $50 million / yr punching bag for the media, NFLPA, and fans.

 

[Prime Time]

The game has done nothing but increase in popularity the past decade or so.

Really? Then why all the half empty stadiums? If Goodell gets the credit for the game's popularity, then he should also get the blame for its decline, no? That's only fair. Love ya man, but this is one of the few topics we don't agree on.

 

[OldSchool]

In other sports, the Commissioner has a history of being a LEADER and someone who has to actually speak truth to the owners.

In Baseball, the Commissioner has had tremendous power going back nearly a century and for good or for ill, he's been IN CHARGE. The owners gave him the power to RUN the league. (It's part of the reason MLB took a giant crap... they went from labor issues straight to selling out regarding steroids because unlike in years past, they put the integrity of the game second)

Now, granted, NFL owners are seemingly far more narcissistic than MLB or NBA owners, but that shouldn't change anything.

And it's NOT a matter of how much he gets paid.

Moreover, the NFLPA sued, iirc, to get the NFL to cough up the information they had at their disposal, so no, it's NOT like everyone is complicit in the "game of greed" so let's just ignore it all...nope. Not even close.

Also, the NFLPA has been trying to get full-time refs, but it was the Refs union who has been fighting that. Go figure, a union that's fighting AGAINST full-time employment...

It's fine to have your opinion, but please don't denigrate those who based on evidence, facts and data have a different opinion.

You have your opinion I have mine. Facts of the matter is each CBA has been agreed to by the owners and players. They're in this together tied at the hip. If something was so important to the Union they could have done something about it. Their actions or lack of have much more impact than what they tell the media they want or wanted. Actions speak so much louder than words.

 

[Corbin]

Not surprised by this response. You must a joy when watching games.

also helps if you don't pretend your a super hero.

 

[Mackeyser]

You have your opinion I have mine. Facts of the matter is each CBA has been agreed to by the owners and players. They're in this together tied at the hip. If something was so important to the Union they could have done something about it. Their actions or lack of have much more impact than what they tell the media they want or wanted. Actions speak so much louder than words.

Of course and I respect your opinion.

As for the statement that the owners and players are tied at the hip, that's simply not true.

CTE has the potential to RUIN the sport. There are schools around the country abandoning their football programs because they can't afford the insurance. Mom's are not only withholding their kids from football but from soccer and hockey as well.

Moreover, the players wanted more info about CTE.

And yet, the owners don't care about the sport, so even if it's for their own betterment or enrichment, they REFUSE to do anything with respect to the CBA unless they can get concessions on something.

Some of it is not a matter of opinion.

There are some facts. (and no, I'm not defending the NFLPA because I think they've been poorly led and have not fully been about all of the players' health and welfare)

There have been multiple lawsuits from players and the NFLPA.

The owners have made it very clear that they are willing to have a work stoppage in order to make more billions versus, Heaven FORBID, share revenues like they do in the NFL.

Moreover, the owners, themselves and through their proxy, the Commissioner, were willing to lie and obstruct in order to prevent THE TRUTH getting out. The NFL had causal data linking concussive and subconcussive impacts to CTE and they PURPOSEFULLY withheld that data.

Now, how in Heaven's name can the NFLPA be complicit when they repeatedly asked and had to sue in federal court to obtain this information???

Are there instances where the NFLPA and the owners have made bad decisions together? Yeah, and the current CBA is a mess they will have a terrible time fixing.

That said, whether it be player discipline, "drug" testing (and moreover the LACK of differentiation between addictive/psychoactive drugs like alchohol, marijuana or opiates versus actual PEDs like Adderall, steroids or HGH is a huge problem that isn't going away), refereeing, or any number of other issues, it's NOT that they're all the same part of the problem

I'm fine with respecting those who think Goodell has done a good job, especially those that define the Commissioner as a glorified EVP of Business Development. If the sole criteria is to bring in more money, then undeniably he's been successful. So was Michael Eisner at Disney if that's the sole criteria. But, as we saw with Eisner, he ultimately nearly destroyed the brand.

Goodell is on that same path.

Such statements like the NFL and NFLPA are joined at the hip cannot be made without ignoring a TON of actual information, data, and facts.

So, on some things, I'll respectfully disagree with you. On things where there are controverting facts, I'll point that out. And if new information corrects me, I'll be more than happy to assimilate that information and go from there.

Not everything is opinion. Facts are facts or at least they used to be.

And with all of that, if anyone thinks Goodell has done a good job, then God Bless.

 

[OldSchool]

All I need to do is quote one statement.

And yet, the owners don't care about the sport, so even if it's for their own betterment or enrichment, they REFUSE to do anything with respect to the CBA unless they can get concessions on something.

Some of it is not a matter of opinion.

In 2016 the NFL produced $13.16 billion dollars in revenue for 32 business men. But they don't care about it? Think about that for a minute. As for CTE I totally agree it's potential long term impact on the game. But I'm sorry I don't feel the Union has done a damned thing about CTE that has a benefit for their players. They've made noise in the press absolutely and bravo for them being on their soap box yelling about it to anybody who cares to write an article about it. But when it comes down to it they have the power of collective bargaining to get what they desire implemented. They have done nothing as of yet in their bargaining that will benefit the players. They make a lot of noise but don't get a damned thing done. If anything they've worked counter to what the NFL has done to try to protect the players.

Just Monday night we saw the Bengals George Iloka launched himself head first into Antonio Brown. A clearly illegal hit that at it's basic nature is the root of the CTE problem. One player using his helmet to hit another player in the helmet. Rightly so it was penalized and as a result of the NFL's attempt to protect players from CTE they suspended Iloka. The Union cares so much protecting their members from CTE that they appeal the suspension. This always amazes me, they care so much about CTE they don't partner with the NFL to help prevent it instead they send the message to their members that we'll help you get out of trouble when you break the rules and do the very thing we want the NFL to prevent. Instead of sending the message to their members we're trying to protect you from your own actions they get them off the hook. And we've heard countless former players say the same thing. "I don't care about any fines you can fine me all you want. But don't you take a game check away from me by suspending me". The ultimate punishment and message to the players and the very people supposedly protecting them do this.

And the best part of the whole thing is Derrick Brooks! Here we have an 11 time Pro Bowl, Super Bowl winner, a 14 year vet, defensive player of the year and Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year. A god damned yellow jacket wearing Hall of Famer! He get's assigned to hear the appeal and what message does he send? Oh we'll let you play just pay this little fine. This is the same guy that upheld Gronk only getting one game for his armed assault on Tre'Davius White!

So go ahead and tell me how many studies the Union has funded and how many articles are written about how much they care. When it comes down to doing something to protect players from CTE they always do the same thing. The thing that costs players less money. The NFL put rules in to place in an effort to reduce the hits in a game that these studies have cited could be the cause of CTE. Maybe the Union should send a message to their members that these rules are important and should be followed. Not casually dismissed with $20,000 fines to people making millions playing a game that people who make billions owns.

 

[Mackeyser]

All I need to do is quote one statement.



In 2016 the NFL produced $13.16 billion dollars in revenue for 32 business men. But they don't care about it? Think about that for a minute. As for CTE I totally agree it's potential long term impact on the game. But I'm sorry I don't feel the Union has done a damned thing about CTE that has a benefit for their players. They've made noise in the press absolutely and bravo for them being on their soap box yelling about it to anybody who cares to write an article about it. But when it comes down to it they have the power of collective bargaining to get what they desire implemented. They have done nothing as of yet in their bargaining that will benefit the players. They make a lot of noise but don't get a damned thing done. If anything they've worked counter to what the NFL has done to try to protect the players.

Just Monday night we saw the Bengals George Iloka launched himself head first into Antonio Brown. A clearly illegal hit that at it's basic nature is the root of the CTE problem. One player using his helmet to hit another player in the helmet. Rightly so it was penalized and as a result of the NFL's attempt to protect players from CTE they suspended Iloka. The Union cares so much protecting their members from CTE that they appeal the suspension. This always amazes me, they care so much about CTE they don't partner with the NFL to help prevent it instead they send the message to their members that we'll help you get out of trouble when you break the rules and do the very thing we want the NFL to prevent. Instead of sending the message to their members we're trying to protect you from your own actions they get them off the hook. And we've heard countless former players say the same thing. "I don't care about any fines you can fine me all you want. But don't you take a game check away from me by suspending me". The ultimate punishment and message to the players and the very people supposedly protecting them do this.

And the best part of the whole thing is Derrick Brooks! Here we have an 11 time Pro Bowl, Super Bowl winner, a 14 year vet, defensive player of the year and Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year. A god damned yellow jacket wearing Hall of Famer! He get's assigned to hear the appeal and what message does he send? Oh we'll let you play just pay this little fine. This is the same guy that upheld Gronk only getting one game for his armed assault on Tre'Davius White!

So go ahead and tell me how many studies the Union has funded and how many articles are written about how much they care. When it comes down to doing something to protect players from CTE they always do the same thing. The thing that costs players less money. The NFL put rules in to place in an effort to reduce the hits in a game that these studies have cited could be the cause of CTE. Maybe the Union should send a message to their members that these rules are important and should be followed. Not casually dismissed with $20,000 fines to people making millions playing a game that people who make billions owns.

I don’t disagree with any of that.

That everyone seems to be selling out will hurt football much much more than it did baseball and the steroid scandal because players could stop taking steroids. They can’t stop concussion and when the efforts are actively sabotaged, it diminishes everyone who is trying to affect positive change.

I think the NFLPA is poorly run and the CBA is terrible for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that it puts the union in the position of having to defend both criminal behavior as well as behavior that isn’t in the best interest of fellow players or the game.

In other fields, the union can and does invoke punishment.

So rest assured that I’m not so much defending the union as saying a pox on both of their houses and the owners are a little worse, imho.

 

[Selassie I]

I'm betting that Sarcophagus Face guzzled down a massive quantity of the world's finest scotch last night. Sure... he does that on a nightly basis, but last night's quantity was epic.

 

[Mackeyser]

I'm betting that Sarcophagus Face guzzled down a massive quantity of the world's finest scotch last night. Sure... he does that on a nightly basis, but last night's quantity was epic.

Who's Sarcophagus Face?

 

[Psycho_X]

Not sure where to link this but was gifs of all the suspensions this season for hits but this seemed like a worthy thread for it. Still ridiculous Gronk got 1 game. Hadn't seen the Ravens player having his unhelmeted head bounce of the turf yet... that was a bad one. And the AJ Green fight kills me just because the refs are like "break it up you gu.... fuck this I'm going to go act like I'm keeping other guys away and not get in the middle of the fisticuffs."

https://twitter.com/i/moments/938145123833077760

 

[Rmfnlt]

Who's Sarcophagus Face?

Jerruh

 

[Selassie I]

Who's Sarcophagus Face?

Jerruh Jones

Of course!

 

[DaveFan'51]

also helps if you don't pretend your a super hero.

I like anything with my #51 attached to it!!

 

[OldSchool]

So rest assured that I’m not so much defending the union as saying a pox on both of their houses and the owners are a little worse, imho.

And I'm saying they're all equally worthless/evil/dumb/stupid pick your adjective. It just gets to me when people, not singling you out though this conversation has been with you, when people give the union a free ride. They are more responsible for the players IMO than the owners. And do as little if not less for them.

 

[thirteen28]

And how does that affect the game on the field? People care more about a suit than the logo on a helmet? Not me.

Goodell being a walking PR disaster affects the health of the league overall because it gives people a more negative view of the NFL as a brand. If you don't believe that makes any difference, go talk to people in corporations who have seen their own brand reputation decline and how that affected their business.

Or for that matter ... look at all the empty seats in stadiums this year and the precipitous decline in ratings. That's directly related to the NFL brand being less popular than it was. And long term, that will absolutely affect the game on the field. CTE has already impacted youth football participation, and if fewer people tune in to watch games due to declining interest, youth football participation will fall even further. That will inevitably lead to fewer good athletes in the game and a decline of play on the field. If you couple that with the declining ratings - which will directly translate int lower revenues and less money for players - you are looking at another factor that will exacerbate the decline of quality play.

A good leader is supposed to set up his organization for long-term success. I don't see how anyone can make the case that Goodell is doing so right now, particularly with declining ratings, attendance, and negative brand recognition.

Really? Then why all the half empty stadiums? If Goodell gets the credit for the game's popularity, then he should also get the blame for its decline, no? That's only fair. Love ya man, but this is one of the few topics we don't agree on.

Abso-freakin-lutely.

 

[LACHAMP46]

And many teams have idiocy from the top down. That is a team problem, not a commissioner problem.

I thought everyone in management were geniuses????

Are you saying anyone could do their jobs?

Heaven FORBID, share revenues like they do in the NFL.

I think you meant NBA or MLB, correct Mac?

Just Monday night we saw the Bengals George Iloka launched himself head first into Antonio Brown. A clearly illegal hit that at it's basic nature is the root of the CTE problem. One player using his helmet to hit another player in the helmet. Rightly so it was penalized and as a result of the NFL's attempt to protect players from CTE they suspended Iloka. The Union cares so much protecting their members from CTE that they appeal the suspension. This always amazes me, they care so much about CTE they don't partner with the NFL to help prevent it instead they send the message to their members that we'll help you get out of trouble when you break the rules and do the very thing we want the NFL to prevent. Instead of sending the message to their members we're trying to protect you from your own actions they get them off the hook. And we've heard countless former players say the same thing. "I don't care about any fines you can fine me all you want. But don't you take a game check away from me by suspending me". The ultimate punishment and message to the players and the very people supposedly protecting them do this.

C'mon man!

There was no way he could have tried to separate the ball from Brown in that amount of time, doing anything else. Yes, they hit helmets....but he was trying to make a game saving play. Was he supposed to push with 2 hands? Yell loudly??? The game moves too fast to judge what a defender is trying to do. And then penalize for the result. $36K is too much money for accidental helmet contact. I feel JuJu's penalty was too severe also....taunting is a fine, the hit, while recently made illegal, should have only been a flag.
Lastly, receivers are already telling people, hit me in the head, not the knees. Why would they say this? Like M. Mitchell said, CTE is an inherent risk you take when you sign up for football.

 

[Ramstien]

Who has honestly thought while watching a football game, damn I really hate the commissioner!?

ME!

 

[OldSchool]

I thought everyone in management were geniuses????

Are you saying anyone could do their jobs?

I think you meant NBA or MLB, correct Mac?

C'mon man!

There was no way he could have tried to separate the ball from Brown in that amount of time, doing anything else. Yes, they hit helmets....but he was trying to make a game saving play. Was he supposed to push with 2 hands? Yell loudly??? The game moves too fast to judge what a defender is trying to do. And then penalize for the result. $36K is too much money for accidental helmet contact. I feel JuJu's penalty was too severe also....taunting is a fine, the hit, while recently made illegal, should have only been a flag.
Lastly, receivers are already telling people, hit me in the head, not the knees. Why would they say this? Like M. Mitchell said, CTE is an inherent risk you take when you sign up for football.

CTE is the players/union focus and at their insistence because of media pressure have made these hits illegal. You may not like it but you might as well get used to it, it's the law of the land now. And sorry that's incredibly, let me adjust my comment because describing what that comment is would get me in trouble with mods. To say the only way to separate a player from the ball is to lead with your head into their head is one of the most ignorant things I've ever read. With all your Quick, GRob, QB and Joyner comments that is just amazingly sad to read.