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Revamped Line Holds Up

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  1. -X- Not into the whole brevity thing.

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    By Nick Wagoner/Senior Writer
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    As injuries attacked the offensive line, particularly the tackle position, time and again over the past month, Rams coach Steve Spagnuolo and his staff found themselves forced to search for the right five players to put on the field yesterday against Arizona.

    To make that decision, Spagnuolo, offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels and line coach Steve Loney sat down and got back to basics in what they were looking for.

    “I do think this is the right way to go: sit down and ‘Who are the best five players?’” Spagnuolo said. “Let’s see if we can’t get them slotted in their positions and go from there. That’s where we began and that’s what led us to it.”

    What it led them to was a revamped line consisting of Adam Goldberg at left tackle, Jacob Bell at left guard, Tony Wragge at center, Jason Brown at right guard and Harvey Dahl at right tackle.

    Of that group, only Bell and Wragge stayed in their original positions with Goldberg moving from right to left, Dahl kicking outside to tackle from guard and Brown stepping in at guard instead of his usual center spot.

    “The thought process was to get the best five guys out there we thought,” Spagnuolo said. “Jason is a guard/center; he was one of the best five so we put him in there. So somebody had to go to tackle. The greatest thing about this group at the beginning of last week it was all ‘Whatever you need to do, coach. I’ll move here, I’ll do this, I’ll do that.’ Adam had to switch from right to left. I thought Harvey did a pretty good job and Adam did an admirable job there. It’s a tough task out there as a left tackle and he only let up the one sack. But overall, I thought they did pretty good under the circumstances.”

    All things considered, the patchwork line which had all of three practices together did hold its own against a talented Arizona defense bent on getting after quarterback Sam Bradford and shutting down the running of back Steven Jackson.

    The Cardinals sacked Bradford just twice despite throwing some exotic blitzes and looks at the Rams’ line.

    “When you shuffle the offensive line, it’s hard in this league,” Spagnuolo said. “You don’t want the quarterback to get hit or get sacked at all but there were only two sacks in the game. And they did bring some pressures and there were some really good pickups.”

    Spagnuolo said Monday he’s unsure if the line will stay the same but there are a few factors to consider in making that decision.

    Citing a situation with the secondary last year in which he changed nickel backs on multiple occasions, Spagnuolo said he thought he tinkered too much and learned an important lesson about the value of continuity.

    Most likely that lesson will lead to a similar look for the line this week.

    “You’d like to settle in,” Spagnuolo said. “We don’t want to do too much moving around. We’ll think about it. We haven’t made that final decision but I think you have to be careful with that.”

    DIFFICULT DECISIONS: On a number of occasions in Sunday’s game, Spagnuolo faced some tough choices that he explained immediately after the contest.

    The first was the decision to run down the clock, take a shot at the end zone and then kick a field goal at the end of the first half.

    That came after a false start penalty and a sack pushed them back 14 yards after having first and goal at the 3.

    “At that particular point, my decision to let it come down initially, was to let it come down and kick the field goal,” Spagnuolo said. “I just felt like it was going to be a tight football game and points, we had to have points. I didn’t want to take a chance of losing them, so I was trying to be smart there. We were a little bit in disarray, and then as the offensive coaches talked to me they said, ‘Let’s take one shot.’ And so I thought maybe that was a good thing to do and then we kicked it. So that’s why I did what I did at the end there. Certainly, we’ve got to find a way when we’re at the 3-yard line to get it in the end zone. Certainly, would’ve made a big difference.”

    In the second half, Spagnuolo opted not to challenge a couple of close calls. One was a fumble by tight end Lance Kendricks in which it appears the Arizona defenders feet might have been out of bounds. The other was the spot of the ball after Cardinals quarterback John Skelton took off on a scramble on a third-and-13 and reached for the first down before he stepped out of bounds.

    “The spot of the ball I looked at, I didn’t think it was…I thought it was going to be one of those not enough to challenge,” Spagnuolo said. “I didn’t want to waste a timeout. The other one, there was a little bit of talk about it, but then we thought upstairs it was legit. So we go off of that. I know on that tight game timeouts are pretty important. So we’re not just going to throw it, to throw it. We’re just using our judgment.”

    The final difficult choice came late in the game with the Rams facing a fourth-and-1 at their 36 and 3:22 to play. They still had all of their timeouts and the two minute warning and Spagnuolo opted to punt it away rather than go for the first down with his team trailing 23-20.

    “We had three timeouts,” Spagnuolo said. “That was really the decision. I thought we could…if we could hold them, didn’t let them get a first down, we we’re going to get the ball back. It’s a three point game.”

    IN THE HOOD: Cornerback Rod Hood had spent the better part of his time in St. Louis patiently awaiting his opportunity to step on the field and help the Rams defense.

    “You have some ups and down times as a player, but our secondary was playing real good, our defense was playing real good,” Hood said. “I think Coach just wanted to stick with those guys. You can’t have too many moving parts if you can avoid it. When God was ready for me to be out there, I was going to be out there. Today was the day.”

    After getting some work on special teams last week, Hood got his chance against the Cardinals and even started the game as Arizona came out in a three-receiver set.

    Hood wasted no time getting back in the groove, though as he intercepted Skelton and returned it 27 yards with just under eight minutes to go in the first quarter.

    The interception was the 15th of Hood’s career.

    “Really overall, I thought he played pretty solid,” Spagnuolo said. “One thing Rod had to his advantage was he knew those guys. He’s been down there. You could see that in the game. He’s played a lot of games in this league. I appreciate the fact that he hung in there all these weeks where his pride and competitiveness say he wants to go in there and play. He was very patient. I thought he helped us yesterday.”

    INJURY REPORT: The Rams seemed to come out of Sunday’s game without any serious injuries though a few players will be watched closely this week before their status for this week is determined.

    Bradford aggravated his ankle injury a little bit. Spagnuolo expects him to be ready to practice Wednesday.

    “I think we’re going to be OK there,” Spagnuolo said. “But we’ll just kind of wait to see tomorrow and get to rehab and see where we are on Wednesday.”

    Safety Darian Stewart has lingering concussion symptoms that will force him to undergo the normal evaluation process this week before he can be cleared to play.

    Linebacker Chris Chamberlain and fullback Brit Miller had sore hamstrings but were able to finish the game. That kept Chamberlain and Miller off special teams, including the punt return that was returned for a touchdown.

    Special teamer Dominique Curry played through a shoulder injury. His status this week will be evaluated as the week goes on.

    Punter Donnie Jones turned his left (punting) ankle. He’s also expected to be OK.

    Defensive tackle Justin Bannan (shoulder), tackle Mark LeVoir (pectoral) and linebacker Josh Hull (hamstring) will not practice on Wednesday. Their status for the week is in doubt.

    On the bright side, receiver Danario Alexander figures to be back in the mix as Spagnuolo said he’s expected to practice Wednesday.
     
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  2. Faceplant Well-Known Member

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    Ugh, that explanation of the clock management at the end of the first half was..umm..pretty bad. There just does not seem to be much cohesion amongst the coaches. That possession was a microcosm of what this team has been all season. One or 2 nice plays down the field, then utter ineptitude at the goal line. It started with that disaster at the goaline against the Giants and has continued all season. I remember thinking to myself, DAMNIT why couldn't DX just get in on the long pass. Now we only have 3 (or 4) tries to go a half yard. Sucks knowing that this team is incapable of it.....
     
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  3. Anonymous Guest

    It's been that way for years.
     
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  4. Selassie I H. I. M.

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    So Spags has now discovered the "Best Players" concept.

    Spags - "The thought process was to get the best five guys out there we thought."

    What a revelation,,, actually putting the best players in the game! Look at Spags thinking outside of his box with this fascinating strategy...

    However, apparently this new concept is flawed because Spags said Monday that he's "unsure if the line will stay the same".

    Well, I still give him credit for trying something new. :grr:
     
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  5. bluecoconuts Well-Known Member

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    That's no different from hockey, when creating line combinations. You have to find a mix of talent, chemistry, and complimentary style to each other. Often times its not simply just throwing your top guys on the top line, not that much different here.
     
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  6. DR RAM Rams Lifer

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    I don't think that the line played particularly great. I really don't like Goldberg on the left, but what choices do we have at this point...

    I totally agree with bluecoconuts point.
     
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  7. Faceplant Well-Known Member

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    Goldberg is a liability at LT, but as you stated, there is no one else left. THAT is why I expected the play calling to change in order to protect our statue....err, I mean QB.
     
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  8. Selassie I H. I. M.

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    Hockey Lines and Football Lines = Apples and Oranges.


    There has NEVER been a hockey line that played an entire game. Substitutions happen every few minutes.

    The idea with an offensive line in football is not to have any changes if you can help it. Keep your best players in the game for the entire game if possible.
     
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  9. DR RAM Rams Lifer

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    Sure, but don't you believe that chemistry of a line, hockey or football means something? I think there's validity to both arguments. Put the best 5 out there and build chemistry, if you can (injuries :eek:mg: )...how about that?
     
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  10. Angry Ram aka Captain RAmerica aka the OG Rammer

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    Should they get Jared Gaither who was cut earlier today? Veteran guy, huge mountain of a man. Couldn't be worse than Goldberg @ LT.
     
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  11. kurtfaulk Well-Known Member

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    “At that particular point, my decision to let it come down initially, was to let it come down and kick the field goal,” Spagnuolo said.

    this is all you need to know about why the rams have trouble getting tds. the team always reflects the head coach and his attitude.

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  12. kurtfaulk Well-Known Member

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    they should be trying anything at this stage.

    it was funny, no actually quite sad, that at the beginning of the game the rams did everything in their power to protect sam by running alot and moving him out of the pocket when he was making throws. the first time he drops back to throw goldberg completely whiffs and the cards defender runs untouched to sack bradford with extreme force.

    dark days for young bradford.

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  13. DR RAM Rams Lifer

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    What's going on with him? Do you know? Back injury never healed?
     
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  14. Angry Ram aka Captain RAmerica aka the OG Rammer

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    <a class="postlink" href="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/29/chiefs-cut-jared-gaither/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... d-gaither/</a>

    Back injury, came to Baltimore out of shape. But he got cut today b/c of his false start.

    But kurtfaulk said, they should anything. @ worst he's a backup OT that has played both spots.
     
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  15. DR RAM Rams Lifer

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    Maybe we should try that, sign a hurt guy and see if he magically becomes healthy. Kind of like reverse psychology. :what:

    Crap, I don't know anymore. He was a highly touted guy at one point, but never really played to his potential. Not sure if our line coach could coach him up any.
     
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  16. bluecoconuts Well-Known Member

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    They don't sub out individual players most of the time, unless one guy is being double shifted, or something else goes on (the play doesn't allow him to get off the ice, etc).... They do line changes, the first line comes out, the second, etc.

    But the point was more that you don't just take your best players and shove them on a top line, because sometimes guys play better with different people, or just put your 5 players on the ice regardless of the position. It's the same in football, it's not as simple as just throwing out the 5 best guys, because there might be someone on that line that does not play well with the other guys, and suddenly everything is out of whack.

    So if they were in practice, and Brown did not fit in, then they were right to sit him in favor of other people. Even if his individual talent might be higher than someone else, I'd rather sit him and play someone else who might be less talented overall, but plays better with the line, and doesn't drag the rest of the guys down.

    It was just a broad statement saying it's not as easy as saying "Best 5 guys play together on a line, that's it." because just because they're the most talented 5 players, doesn't mean there is chemistry. An average line with great chemistry will trump a great line with poor chemistry most of the time, if that makes sense.
     
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  17. Selassie I H. I. M.

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    You say tomato,,, I say tomahto. :ww:
     
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  18. Angry Ram aka Captain RAmerica aka the OG Rammer

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    Touche.
     
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    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i5i0jxIWYw[/youtube]
     
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  20. DR RAM Rams Lifer

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    Don't call me Shirley!
     
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