CAMP REPORT Rams vs Cowboys Scrimmage

[PhillyRam]

One of the most professional plays of the day came when Kenny Young tackled Pollard near the sidelines and the two tussled for a few seconds out of bounds. It looked as though Pollard wanted to turn it into a full fledged fight with fists, but Young immediately ran back to his huddle and waited for Pollard’s teammates to hold him back.

Actually Young gave him a cheap shot at the end of the play....So not all that professional. Need to be better than that.

 

[CoachAllred]

Actually Young gave him a cheap shot at the end of the play....So not all that professional. Need to be better than that.

No way to avoid some of those things happening especially when playing against someone other than themselves in forever.
However to your point, It was totally unnecessary and and unprofessional.
Hopefully this will make the team more aware of proper sportsmanship and not allow it to happen again.

 

[MachS]

Was gonna mention this too. He looked a bit outclassed and a lot of him chasing. Lamb's a stud but damn.

Yea I was a bit disappointed but CeeDee is a beast, I think he's the best WR on their roster now and will outperform Amari this year. But still I wish Long would've won a few reps and had a PBU or two in coverage vs him. If it was tight coverage and he was getting beat I'd feel better. But the manner in which he was losing was not good. Really glad we made the Rochelle pick and happy he's had such a good camp, because my gut tells me he'll be seeing time at nickel. Hopefully Long bounces back and has a good next couple weeks.

 

[Ram65]

Watching the practice here on Youtube replay I will say the Cowboys seem to have an advantage. It is hard to see everything with two smaller screens etc.. You also don't have refs so that can make a big difference. Elliot looks slender and quicker. The Cowboys offensive line opened some holes for big runs.

I will wait for some more reports to get some better insights. It's good to get practice time against another team. It wasn't all bad.

 

[TexasRam]

Rams-Cowboys practice notes
What happened in Saturday’s joint scrimmage with Dallas?

By Kenneth Arthur@KennethArthuRS Aug 7, 2021, 9:07pm CDT

Rams-Cowboys practice notes

What happened in Saturday’s joint scrimmage with Dallas?

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I went to Oxnard on Saturday to watch the LA Rams hold a joint practice with Dallas at the Cowboys’ training camp facilities. You will also be able to see some of the action soon on Hard Knocks, as the HBO show had cameras all over as they cover the Cowboys this year, a place that the Rams have been in twice in the last five years.
With so much attention being paid already to Matthew Stafford and the LA scoring attack this summer, I decided to watch the

• Rams defense face off against a Dallas offense that will feature some of the NFL’s biggest stars in 2021. That did not include quarterback Dak Prescott, as the team is taking every precaution necessary in his return and he’s dealing with discomfort in his shoulder right now. But it did mean seeing CeeDee Lamb, Ezekiel Elliott, Michael Gallup, Tony Pollard, Tyron Smith against the likes of Aaron Donald, Jalen Ramsey, and Leonard Floyd.
  Here is some of what I observed on Saturday:
  • It’s difficult to know how much effort each side of the trenches was giving, and it surely was not 100-percent, but Aaron Donald won a couple of his battles during scrimmages. Cowboys guard Connor Williams drew more than one round of applause from a mostly-Dallas fanbase in attendance, but each side was holding back and it wouldn’t be fair to compare what I saw today to a preseason game. This was not an exhibition game. It was a joint practice.
  • That being said, Donald and Williams fought only two plays into the scrimmage, drawing in players from both sidelines to help, if needed. It could have been confused for a more serious melee — like the ones the two teams got into back in 2015’s joint practice — but this was not that. It was a large crowd of players, but they cooled off and Sean McVay spoke again to Donald on the sidelines to make sure the reigning Defensive Player of the Year could avoid another training camp fight like that one.
  • Despite that, Donald and Williams got into one another skirmish, but it was even more minor than the very minor one that preceded it.
  • I thought that given his assignment, Cowboys guard Connor Williams did have a good day. All told, the Dallas offense seemed to be rather effective against the Rams defense. This doesn’t tell me that LA’s defense should be worried. I think it just means that this was a joint practice, but there was one area of the Rams defense that seemed to be a key focal point of attack for backup quarterbacks Ben DiNucci and Garrett Gilbert.
  • David Long, Jr. had one of the best defensive plays of the day — maybe the best — on a pass breakup for a throw intended for Cedrick Wilson. However, Long was on the wrong end of almost every big completion by either DiNucci or Gilbert. Time after time, it seemed like a Cowboys player was making a catch and Long was the closest defender in the area. This is Long’s third year in the NFL and the former third round pick has a golden opportunity to finally start and log big minutes with Troy Hill — the player who was wearing #22 prior to him taking it this season — but if Saturday was any indication, teams will be directing their attention to anyone other than Jalen Ramsey. If Darious Williams and Long are expected to man the outside, with Ramsey in the star or slot role, then it is imperative that they’re both capable of covering elite receivers because most teams are now bringing at least two talented pass catchers every week. Even without Amari Cooper, the Cowboys have two very good receivers, with Michael Gallup especially looking like a breakout player next season. It seemed like Gallup was making a grab over Long on almost every play on Saturday.
  • I’m not sure if it’s really commentary on the Rams run defense or not, but I thought that Ezekiel Elliott and Tony Pollard were both really effective on the ground.
  • Troy Reeder had a beautiful tackle for a loss on one running play, however. I’m not sure who is in the lead at linebacker, but I noticed Reeder a few times on Saturday and I didn’t notice many other linebackers.
  • Taylor Rapp was definitely playing some linebacker and I am hoping for a huge year from him this season. That could come via versatility.
  • I think Kareem Orr should consider not pulling up his jersey, so that people can see his number and know who to appreciate. He made a few nice plays and is now starting to stand out as a potential member of this 53.
  • One of Gallup’s best catches of the day came over Darious Williams. Lamb also made a grab over Williams. I would not say that Williams flashed much either. Ramsey made one big pass breakup on Wilson, was present in run defense, but not thrown at very often. That will be a common theme. One must wonder what kind of presence Robert Rochell will have this season but he is still recovering from minor surgery.
  • The cornerback who got the most positive attention on the day was Donte Deayon. The fourth year corner out of Boise State/Hard Knocks star doesn’t have the size of Long and that is apparent on every play, but he was around the ball and he wasn’t getting into bad situations. Can he be a starter? That’s really the only question worth asking because the Rams only really need a starting cornerback right now. The questions around Long won’t go away until we see some preseason games, as this was only a practice.
  • I liked what I saw from Greg Gaines and think he’s in line for a big season with two roadblocks gone via free agency. Sebastian Joseph-Day also looked explosive. And I noticed a nice pass rush move via Ogbonnia Okoronkwo at one point.
  • During one punt, I noticed Jacob Harris streaking down the field like a lightning bolt as the gunner. Harris could be a deadly special teams asset for Johnny Hekker.
  • Someone yelled at CeeDee Lamb to “wash his hands” and he said that they were washed and I don’t know what that was in reference to.
  • One of the most professional plays of the day came when Kenny Young tackled Pollard near the sidelines and the two tussled for a few seconds out of bounds. It looked as though Pollard wanted to turn it into a full fledged fight with fists, but Young immediately ran back to his huddle and waited for Pollard’s teammates to hold him back. McVay and Cowboys head coach Mike McCarthy were adamant that the teams wouldn’t waste time with practice fights and it seemed like Young was intent on following those rules. He wants to win a roster spot and a starting linebacker position and that’s a good thing.
  • That being said, I think Pollard is a future starting running back and the Rams could really use a player like him this season.
  • One of the final plays of the scrimmage was a tackle for a loss by Donald. LA is in good hands with their defense.
  • In good hands, but also some things to work on. Probably the most important right now being what to do at cornerback, however the linebackers also still have a training camp battle to sort out too.
  
  
  
  

Thanks for the write up. Good info!

 

[So Ram]

View: https://twitter.com/rclemente2121/status/1424161135255715846?s=19

View: https://twitter.com/rclemente2121/status/1424161135255715846?s=19

Beside that being a sack. What’s your observations?

 

[Psycho_X]

from a Cowboys reporter


View: https://twitter.com/GehlkenNFL/status/1424156636956954626?s=20

 

[Merlin]

Interesting that McVay wanted to isolate Long outside. Wonder whether that was more about getting a great look at Long vs top competition OR seeing if he could do the job if they keep Ramsey in the slot. I do think they like Ramsey's run stuffing ability in the slot. The guy is like a LB in terms of strength and leverage but if someone can't step up he'll be back outside for most snaps this season.

Also makes me worried that they'll need Burgess for that slot role.

Glad to hear Deayon is showing well though I suspect he was drawing easier matchups than Lamb lol.

Bummer to hear you were turned away Bubba.

 

[RamBall]

View: https://twitter.com/rclemente2121/status/1424161135255715846?s=19

WTF? Looked like the C just let dude right through. The TE was coming across for the outside rusher while the C was more interested in double teaming instead of blocking the dude right in front of him.

 

[Merlin]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gin26980PKg

 

[Merlin]

Startin to get funky round here.

 

[Merlin]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXxyNJq6aBo

 

[Merlin]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k5fU_OsIZk

 

[jrry32]

Actually Young gave him a cheap shot at the end of the play....So not all that professional. Need to be better than that.

Eh, yeah, they were going at it. Young punched the ball out of Pollard's hands, but to his credit, he did extricate himself from the skirmish before it became a fight.

 

[Liberator]

After watching this clip, it feels like flag football.

With no tackling, there is nothing to learn from this scrimmage.

I would rather see a preseason game from 1970.

Yeah its just a way for Stan and Jerry to bring their teams together and laugh about how rich they are

 

[Merlin]

Some notes and thoughts after reading Jourdan's article on the scrimmage:

Sounds like Jones showed well in coverage again at ILB. Clearly we're gonna feel him there once he wins himself a job at some point down the road. She was impressed by the ILB group top three. I am skeptical (particularly with Young) but still very glad to hear that positive opinion.

She mentioned it seems to her that Hollins has the top job on the blindside and that Oko and Lewis will split rotation snaps. So those who felt Hollins would be the guy seem to be in the driver's seat. I wasn't big on Hollins for the record and I'm still not. But then again I'm not too big on the others either lol.

McVay's comments seem to insinuate that they wanted to look at Long vs those good matchups. So I'm thinking it was a "sink or swim" type thing to give them a hard look at where he's at. Jourdan did point out in her article the vanilla aspect at play here which is very true. Also I think that is true with some of our players like Williams for example. He seems to be more dangerous with a gameplan and the way he watches film (I assume these things because of how he recognizes things and anticipates in games). So not too worried or anything plus Dallas' receiving weapons are excellent. Still a ways to go.

From reading some of the Dallas BS out there from twitter to some youtube (all of it forgettable) I will say it bugs me that they're so happy with their run game after scrimmaging vs our defense. IMO that probably means in-house the Rams are not too happy, seeing as how important run defense seemed to be to them with Morris coming in. But of course going off what Dallas fans are saying would be kinda nuts so who knows.

Oh she also mentioned Snead "spent a lot of time" watching Perkins and Hodges. IMO Wolford's availability is a real concern given how things went last year in a small sample size. And because he's not available that means those two guys are gonna split a ton of snaps in preseason games coming up, at least the first one maybe the first two. So we might have a fun battle to watch there.

 

[simonblaze]

Bummer about Long but if he was really thaaat bad no reason why Deayon or Burgess (or anyone fucking else) shouldn't get more of a look there. I know this is only 1 THUD practice but it's year 3 and the spot he's competing for is basically a starting position. Fingers crossed he gets it together.

 

[jrry32]

Some notes and thoughts after reading Jourdan's article on the scrimmage:

Sounds like Jones showed well in coverage again at ILB. Clearly we're gonna feel him there once he wins himself a job at some point down the road. She was impressed by the ILB group top three. I am skeptical (particularly with Young) but still very glad to hear that positive opinion.

She mentioned it seems to her that Hollins has the top job on the blindside and that Oko and Lewis will split rotation snaps. So those who felt Hollins would be the guy seem to be in the driver's seat. I wasn't big on Hollins for the record and I'm still not. But then again I'm not too big on the others either lol.

McVay's comments seem to insinuate that they wanted to look at Long vs those good matchups. So I'm thinking it was a "sink or swim" type thing to give them a hard look at where he's at. Jourdan did point out in her article the vanilla aspect at play here which is very true. Also I think that is true with some of our players like Williams for example. He seems to be more dangerous with a gameplan and the way he watches film (I assume these things because of how he recognizes things and anticipates in games). So not too worried or anything plus Dallas' receiving weapons are excellent. Still a ways to go.

From reading some of the Dallas BS out there from twitter to some youtube (all of it forgettable) I will say it bugs me that they're so happy with their run game after scrimmaging vs our defense. IMO that probably means in-house the Rams are not too happy, seeing as how important run defense seemed to be to them with Morris coming in. But of course going off what Dallas fans are saying would be kinda nuts so who knows.

Oh she also mentioned Snead "spent a lot of time" watching Perkins and Hodges. IMO Wolford's availability is a real concern given how things went last year in a small sample size. And because he's not available that means those two guys are gonna split a ton of snaps in preseason games coming up, at least the first one maybe the first two. So we might have a fun battle to watch there.

Considering the fact that our guys in the trenches apparently weren't going 100% (and neither were the OL), I don't know how anybody takes anything away on the running game after this one.

 

[dang]

Probably comparing 2 different types of CB but would have loved to had Brian Poole added to allow Rochelle time to ramp up. Also Allows for Plan B should Long falter. I believe NO got him for a little more than $1m for this year.

 

[kurtfaulk]

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Regarding Long, going one on one with Lamb is a mismatch every time for a db. We saw him against Ramsey and he seperated easily from him as well. But that might have been Ramsey not trying too hard. Hard to tell.

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