Rams QB coach likes Goff's growth, but 'he's far from a finished product'

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http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angele...fs-growth-but-hes-far-from-a-finished-product

by Alden Gonzalez

THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. -- There was never really one specific thing that Jared Goff needed to improve on as he entered 2017. He was -- and still is -- only 22 years old, a second-year quarterback in his first year under a new system, coming off a rookie season that was substandard by every measure. Greg Olson, the Los Angeles Rams' new quarterbacks coach, couldn't specify.

"We felt, as a staff, when we put all our eyes on him, that there were a number of things that he could get better at," Olson said. "From footwork to progressions to timing in the passing game, there were a lot of things there that we felt like he needed to work on."

The list remains daunting, even in the midst of his most encouraging performance to date.

Goff went 16-of-20 for 160 yards while playing almost the entire first half against the Oakland Raiders on Saturday night. He led the Rams to two touchdowns and a field goal in four drives, the first of which ended with a 23-yard touchdown pass to a wide-open Cooper Kupp. It was the type of stretch that made one believe that the former No. 1 overall pick may actually thrive one day; that this offense, rebuilt over the last five months, may finally be good again.

Goff acknowledged the confidence boost a night like that can trigger, "But it wasn't like it was shocking," he added. "It's something that we expected to do."

Olson's excitement was tempered.

"Believe me," Olson said of Goff, "he's far from a finished product. He would tell you that. And we know that; we understand that. But we're happy with the growth so far and the way he's approached the process here of getting better. There's a lot of positive things here that have come out, and he's just gotta continue that constant, daily improvement."

Olson was the Rams' offensive coordinator from 2006 to 2007, when the team operated out of St. Louis. He worked with an in-his-prime Marc Bulger then, one of numerous quarterbacks who have been under his tutelage. Prior to rejoining the Rams, Olson spent 15 years as either a quarterbacks coach or an offensive coordinator -- sometimes both -- with seven different organizations. He instructed veterans like Jeff Garcia, Kordell Stewart and Brian Griese, young players like Rex Grossman, Blaine Gabbert and Blake Bortles.

In Goff, Olson sees someone who "wants to get better" and "wants to realize his potential." He sees someone who has "tried to wipe the slate clean from his rookie season," but also "took it as a learning experience." He sees someone with a "good attitude" and a "strong work ethic." And he sees someone who has had to learn two different systems in his first two NFL seasons, all while getting acclimated to the speed of professional football.

"That's not an easy task," Olson said. "But he's never complained or placed blame on anybody or any of his circumstances. I really appreciate that about him."

Goff threw only four incomplete passes in his second preseason game, but Olson felt he could've easily gone 19-of-20. Olson was impressed by the way Goff kept his eyes down the field and didn't feel the rush. And he loved how calm he was on that first touchdown pass, when he rolled to his right and got rid of the football just before former Defensive Player of the Year Khalil Mack could get to him.

In the days leading up to that, though, Goff struggled, throwing six interceptions over a three-day stretch during practice. Some of that was a byproduct of testing his limits, because, as Olson said, "You have to find out about what throws you can and can't make."

The next threshold for Goff -- the toughest threshold for Goff -- is to make performances like Saturday his norm.

"Consistency over time is what it's all about," Olson said. "As you're getting better, those lows need to become lower. There might be some little dips along the way, but it's just gotta be constant, never-ending improvement. We understand that he's a young player, and there's going to be mistakes along the way. But they can't affect the growth process."

Goff wasn't named the starting quarterback until Week 11 last season. He ultimately lost all seven of his starts and finished with a 22.2 Total QBR, the NFL's lowest. The offensive line was a disaster, the receiving corps was inferior, the running game was non-existent, and the coaching staff was underqualified. But Goff himself wasn't good. Outside of one impressive half in New Orleans, he struggled thoroughly. And when 50 league insiders were recently asked to rank quarterbacks, Goff placed 32nd out of 36, with one former general manager saying, "Man, he did not look the part when he played last year."

Olson sees urgency out of Goff this year. He can also see why it might not have been there last summer, because Case Keenum was there and the Rams, under Jeff Fisher, basically let Goff know he wasn't coming in as their starting quarterback. Sean McVay took the opposite approach in one of his first meetings with Goff. He told him that it was his job. That he would take all the first-team snaps, that he needed to establish himself as a leader, that he was expected to learn the offense quickly, and shoulder all that is required of an NFL quarterback.

Goff has accepted the challenge, and if Saturday was any indication, he has shown remarkable growth.

"But it's just a start," Olson said, "and we're a long ways away from getting into the season. We'll know more when this season ends; when he finishes his second year."
 

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Great Game to build upon and I never questioned Goff's dedication or attention to detail I just truly wondered if he had "it." And I'm pleased the way things are progressing and understand it will not always be easy, but leading the team, commanding the huddle and limiting the number of mistakes will go a long way into making Goff what we are hoping he can be.
 

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Great Game to build upon and I never questioned Goff's dedication or attention to detail I just truly wondered if he had "it." And I'm pleased the way things are progressing and understand it will not always be easy, but leading the team, commanding the huddle and limiting the number of mistakes will go a long way into making Goff what we are hoping he can be.

*den translation: WE GOT A HOFER!!!!!!!!!!
 

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I just watched the Oakland game for the first time yesterday and he looked good. He had a TON of time in the pocket though. The one thing I keep noticing is how slow he seems to be back there...at least to me. It seems like he is in slow motion sometimes. He won;t have protection like that all the time, so I hope he is able to get the ball out quicker when he needs to. Hate the thought of him taking too many sacks on that narrow frame.
 

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Anybody that thinks he's a finished product in his 2nd training camp hasn't been watching football for long.
 

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Yeah, Goff is far from a finished product. But all we need to see is continued growth and consistency.
 

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The one thing I keep noticing is how slow he seems to be back there...at least to me. It seems like he is in slow motion sometimes.

Can you explain what you mean? Slow getting back to his spot or throwing the ball.

I just watched the highlights again. Mixed shotgun and deep drop backs with play action. Could be the play action takes longer. I did notice he starts his windup and stops then goes again a couple of times (as mentioned by camp reports). Even with that he gets the ball out of his hand fast and seems to stride back quickly. On some I think he was waiting for the receiver to make his cut and not anticipating or being cautious. That could a little while to get that timing down.. He had time not to have to rush the throws
 

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Well sure, no QB is a finished product. Especially in the eyes of the QB coach. It's the coach's job to see what's lacking and find a way to improve.

Good insight from Olson, if overall somewhat vague and rounded. I most appreciated the things he said about Goff's character. It's comforting to hear these observations repeated by multiple people who have come into contact with JG, and watched the way he works.

I'll say the tone Gonzalez uses (his out-of-quotes word choice and characterization) makes the whole thing sound a little darker and more critical, which is maybe just good writing coupled with a skeptical take on the team. I don't love it, but I can't fault him for it, I suppose. Just tells me he's not a voice I really want to listen to, much.

Good to hear from Olson, who hasn't been vocal, or at least whose voice hasn't been much in-focus throughout the offseason.
 

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Gonzales, in his report, seems to want to paint a dark picture of Goff's growth! I don't see it that way! Sure he's got learning to do. But I like the progress so far!(y);):D
 

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Can you explain what you mean? Slow getting back to his spot or throwing the ball.

I just watched the highlights again. Mixed shotgun and deep drop backs with play action. Could be the play action takes longer. I did notice he starts his windup and stops then goes again a couple of times (as mentioned by camp reports). Even with that he gets the ball out of his hand fast and seems to stride back quickly. On some I think he was waiting for the receiver to make his cut and not anticipating or being cautious. That could a little while to get that timing down.. He had time not to have to rush the throws
I guess just a little bit of everything you mentioned. He definitely needs to start throwing to a spot and stop waiting for his WRs to make their breaks....that will get him crushed. The ball comes out OK, it is just agonizing sometimes waiting for him to let that thing go. Bradford used to give me similar heartburn early in his career. More so because he was made of glass.....
 

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The list remains daunting, even in the midst of his most encouraging performance to date.
daunt·ing
[ˈdôn(t)iNG, ˈdän(t)iNG]

ADJECTIVE
  1. seeming difficult to deal with in anticipation; intimidating:
    "a daunting task"
    synonyms: intimidating · formidable · disconcerting · unnerving · unsettling

Really? When I watch Jared Goff play, or hear him in interviews, I don't sense that the job is daunting for him. I see a 22-year-old, wise beyond his years, humble enough to accept instruction, who does not wilt under criticisms, and patient enough to accept gradual progress. Unlike most of his media, and sports critics, he also does not resort to petty hyperbole, and self-glorification. Jared deflects praise, accepts blame, and elevates his teammates and coaches. Though he would be morally correct to do so, Jared also does not lash out at critics when they slander him and say factually incorrect things about him.

**Ironically, Jared Goff, (and Sean McVay, for that matter) tend to be the adults in the room.

It was the type of stretch that made one believe that the former No. 1 overall pick may actually thrive one day;
...like that day, for example. He thrived that day.

Believe me," Olson said of Goff, "he's far from a finished product.
Kind of like all of us. We are all a work in progress. Tom Brady will tell you he is still working at getting better. But that is true. Jared is working at getting better. How exciting for all of us.

**Those that have arrived, usually do so in a hearse.

In the days leading up to that, though, Goff struggled, throwing six interceptions over a three-day stretch during practice.
Wait...your talking about a practice? Really? Other than Aaron Rodgers famous article where he tested his limits in practice, a few years back, throwing multiple interceptions, and he was positioned as a genius for doing so, is there another example of a quarterbacks training camp results someone can point me to that have been scrutinized like this? STRUGGLED? In practice? :rolleyes:

The next threshold for Goff -- the toughest threshold for Goff -- is to make performances like Saturday his norm.
I don't sense this is going to be a tough threshold. He will have his bad days, don't get me wrong, but I look at Jared Goff, and his team of coaches, and I see, "We got this."

Goff has accepted the challenge, and if Saturday was any indication, he has shown remarkable growth.
Boom. Maturity. A quiet leader.

Anybody that thinks he's a finished product in his 2nd training camp hasn't been watching football for long.
True. @OldSchool knows the drill.