PREGAME Pregame Thread - Lions at Rams

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I think it’s going to get ugly for Jared. AD will bust the pocket quickly and there won’t be anywhere for him to go except down. Like all QB’s, Goff doesn’t play well when he’s getting manhandled. Fumbles, picks…turnovers could be big issue in this game for the Lions.
 

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Week 7 Preview: Matthew Stafford feeling at home as Rams welcome Lions to SoFi Stadium​

Maybe you bought his jersey. Perhaps your child looked up at him while getting an autograph at training camp. Hopefully, you witnessed the way he read to classrooms and led Los Angeles through some tough times and gave back to our communities.

We can debate the merits of Jared Goff's football performances. There were some incredible ones, even a perfect game. There were some deflating days, too. So it goes at the most scrutinized position in sports.

It's not for me to tell you how to feel about Goff's return to SoFi Stadium. Your emotions are dictated by your experiences, as are mine.

It would be disingenuous to start this week's column with any sentiment other than appreciation for what he did throughout five seasons with the Rams.

Not only did Goff contribute to one of the most successful stretches in franchise's history – 42 regular season wins, two division titles, and an NFC Championship – he represented the organization with class. And I suspect those in attendance on Sunday want to receive him in kind.

My hope is that he's treated to a warm welcome and a big ovation followed by a rude three hours courtesy of the Rams defense.

Fair?

Ramily Reunion

And it's not just Jared this week.

Michael Brockers was the first selection of Les Snead's tenure as general manager and helped establish a standard and a culture – especially along the defensive front – that carries through to this day with Aaron Donald, Sebastian Joseph-Day, position coach Eric Henderson, and the disposition of #DawgWork.

So there's immense gratitude for all that Brock poured into this organization. The same is true for new Lions general manager Brad Holmes, assistant general manager Ray Agnew, and defensive backs coach Aubrey Pleasant.

It will be great to see them and wish them well in every respect except the final score of Week 7.

Worth Every Penny (and Pick)

It will be years until the trade can be properly evaluated, so there's no sense in even broaching the subject of who "won" now.

But regardless of what happens on the Detroit side of the ledger in the future, here's one question I am prepared to answer: "Was acquiring Matthew Stafford worth it for the Rams?"

Absolutely, yes.

It's been said that Stafford's season won't really begin until the playoffs – that he's here to win championships, and unless that happens, the move will have failed.

I disagree.

As written in this space months ago, for the sake of Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey and Andrew Whitworth, it was a calculated risk worth taking. And the returns through six games and five wins have validated the organization's thought process.

Whether the Rams reap the ultimate reward from their partnership with Stafford – that's for another day and is subject to a litany of external forces beyond their control.

But in making the trade, did they give themselves the best opportunity to maximize the prime years of this roster? No doubt. And for that, they have been and should be commended.

Ball Don't Lie

Their 2021 circumstances are extraordinarily different – they might as well be polar opposites. So I'm reluctant to make any comparisons between Goff and Stafford.

But if there was one area where the Rams absolutely had to improve at quarterback, it was ball security.

Sure, all Stafford's attributes are very much appreciated. We've talked at length about them this season and will touch on another one in the very next section. But let's drill down on the crux of the matter: valuing possessions.

Goff has made nine turnover worth plays this season, per PFF, and fumbled six times.

Stafford has five turnover worthy plays (I'd prefer to subtract one because his interception at the end of last week's first half was a no-risk-all-reward toss that he was more than willing to have picked) and only one fumble.

All other things being equal – and I'll underscore this point again: they're not – if this trend continues, Stafford's been a great return on investment.

Made You Look

On The Coach McVay Show, we spoke about Stafford's latest no-look throw that led to Cooper Kupp's seventh touchdown of 2021.

They're all the rage in the league these days, no-look tosses, whether you want to credit Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes for popularizing – even perfecting – the art.

What the Rams head coach likes is the way Stafford uses his eyes (and shoulders and footwork and arm slot) sensibly.

"It's always to influence the defense in a way that's positive for us offensively," McVay told us. "It's not just no-looking you to be cool."

It is pretty cool, though.

NFL Bingo

Stafford has defeated 25 NFL teams to this point, with seven others outstanding.

Coincidentally, the next three opponents are all on that short list: Detroit, Houston, and Tennessee.

Baltimore appears late in the 2021 schedule, as well.

In future years, he still needs to check off AFC foes Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, and Buffalo.

Wait a minute, Buffalo versus Los Angeles would make for quite a Super Bowl LVI…

Start Your Engines

The focal point for both teams this week has been starting faster.

The Rams have been held scoreless in the first quarter in three of their past four games – that defies logic for a unit rated third in the NFL in offensive efficiency.

As for the Lions, in their last four games combined, they've only mustered six first half points… total.

And at the risk of piling on, last week, Detroit was held to one net yard in the opening quarter by the Bengals. They've yet to play an offensive snap with a lead this season; trust me, we could go on, but there's no need.

Third Down & Out

Also monitor third downs this week.

The Lions are 29th in the league in conversion rate on offense.

Los Angeles had been superb on third down to begin the season. However, in their wins over Seattle and New York, the Rams went 4-of-21 combined on the money down. In the words of Kupp, that's "atrocious."

Slot Machine

The NFL's premier slot receiver, Kupp elaborated on those remarks this week on Rams Revealed.

He also paid tribute to his running mate, Robert Woods. Together, they've amassed 1,006 receiving yards this season, most by any NFL duo this season, per NFL Research.

But it's what Bobby Trees does when he doesn't have the ball that Kupp appreciates most.

"He is the most complete receiver in the game," Kupp declared.

Passing Grades

Four Rams on the defensive side of the ball earned career-best game grades from Pro Football Focus for their efforts in New York: Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, Taylor Rapp, Leonard Floyd, and Jonah Williams. At least three others earned season-high marks.

Was last week's dismantling of the Giants a reflection of the strides the Rams have made defensively or a biproduct of how depleted and deficient the Giants are on offense?

Yes.

Now go build off it.

And by the way, DVOA (Defense-adjusted Value Over Average) accounts for an opponent's strength. And using that metric, the Rams catapulted from 14th to fourth in the NFL based off their performance in the Meadowlands.

Non-Offensive TDs

With ten takeaways, the Rams rank in the top five of the league, and it's only a matter of time before the defense scores.

That led me to examine how many NFL teams have yet to register a non-offensive touchdown this season. Turns out, the Rams are one of 14 such teams – so nearly half the league is still waiting for the ball to bounce their way.
 

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Dang, how long has that place been there? If it’s the same place that I remembe, my family went there for lunch, and my Mom and Grandma, who were both non-drinkers, got these massive frozen margaritas and we had to help steady them back to the car afterwards….lol. Don’t know why I remember that.
Not really sure how long but in the late 80’s that was one of mine and the misses favorite hangout locations, something about that old 2 decker pier that appealed to us...oh yeah now I remember, it was the several watering holes :part::sunglasses:

I’d bet yeah, that was the place, ET has been there at least 40 years
 

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Not really sure how long but in the late 80’s that was one of mine and the misses favorite hangout locations, something about that old 2 decker pier that appealed to us...oh yeah now I remember, it was the several watering holes :part::sunglasses:

I’d bet yeah, that was the place, ET has been there at least 40 years

My sister lived in Redondo Beach. I spent a couple of weeks with her in 1987… hit a lot of the area and this place looks familiar.

We hit so many great places that trip… Whiskey a go go was one. I remember loving Barney’s Beanery of all places. I know that’s more Hollywood area.

We camped in the desert too, a couple of nights.

She took care of me that trip! It was awesome.
 

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Looks like blue jerseys bone trousers, too bad they can’t adjust the horns to bone but I guess ya can’t have everything (according to the nfl grid iron data base uni’s)

lions are white on white, that’s a little different
 

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So could they be making room to try to get Mack? I hope.
hahaha


Unless you're implying Marlon Mack which yes is a very real possibility and with injuries a very real need :)
 
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hahaha


Unless you're implying Marlon Mack which yes is a very real possibility and with injuries a very real need :)
OS having a Roseanne Roseannadanna moment I see

Good rally to fix it
 

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Well on the plus side here this has to be the busiest pregame thread I can recall. :part:
 

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hahaha


Unless you're implying Marlon Mack which yes is a very real possibility and with injuries a very real need :)
Yep, I mean Marlon. the other mack not even on my radar. Now I get why you thought it was funny.
 

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Wow - I have been watching the first half of the lions game and everyone just goes by the stats.

That Lion team on offense really sucks.

It is beyond horrible.

The running game was only getting 1 yard on most plays.

The offensive line was called for penalties left and right.

Goff is being pressured after two seconds and all his receivers are covered on every play so he has to check down.

Nowhere else to throw the ball.

The 4th down play was bad but he didn't have a chance on any other play.

Plus the one time he had time he threw downfield to a wide open WR 25 yards downfield and it was a perfect pass to him and he caught it and while falling down, the DB ran over and took the ball right out of the receivers hands.

And that was called an interception. Goff just doesn't get any breaks lol.

And I am going to say it now - even Brady would have not been able to do anything with that offense that day in the first half.
 

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I’m just go say this Goff needed 2 more years with fisher! People wonder why we had a middle school offense well there’s your answer.!

I had some pretty intense conversations when he was first drafted the truth is McVay covered up a lot of his weakness as a good coach should but when the defenses learned of them Goff couldn’t elevate himself.
 

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I'm seeing the headlines "How much will Stafford torch the Lions", "Rams favored by over 15+" and even "Lions brace for Shitstorm in LA" (okay I made that one up)... and while I would like these scenarios to happen, I just can't ever rely on any pregame heavy favorite hype. Tuning in to the NFL since the mid-70's I've seen my share of upsets where a team was heavily favored.

The obvious ones:

Jets 16 Colts 7 SB III (okay a little before my time)
Cheats 20 Rams 17 SB 36 (still can't watch a replay)
Jets over Rams 2020 (recent memory everyone points to)

Here's a few more (dis)honorable mentions that some may recall:

Bears 24 Rams 23 MNF 1977.
This was the game where Namath proved to be a statue of liability. But really the Bears had no business scoring 24 on the Rams with shitty Avellini at QB. He threw 2 TD bombs in arguably the best game of his career.

Vikings 14 Rams 7 Mud Bowl 1977
And backup QB Lee had no business beating Rams at home after LA steamrolled them 35-3 earlier on MNF with starter Tarkenton playing. When I saw the rain shot in the NFL Today pregame show my heart sank. Can't repeat what I said then or during game to avoid permanent banishment. Words I think I can use here outside of the nasties are ridiculous, stupid, and lucky.

Saints 10 Rams 3 1978.
Yes the Saints used to be a joke back then. At home, the 8-0 Rams committed 10+ penalties and turned the ball over a few times in an upset loss. This is the concern: sloppy play causing a letdown.

Packers 36 Rams 24 1990.
Fresh after getting to the NFC champ game the previous year, Rams were upset in week 1 by a below avg GB team with a no-name QB: Anthony Dilweg, who never went anywhere.

The above examples were all preceded by me thinking before the game was played "We got this!!!" Obviously I'm cautious of being an overwhelming favorite but I've seen enough upsets outside of these examples to not be overconfident. Uncharacteristic bunches of penalties and turnovers would keep the Lions in the game. And hopefully Detroit doesn't do much out and up routes to fake aggressive covg... that would be a concern.

So if the Rams play like they should: smash, smash, suhh-MASH!!
 
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