Players That Will Regress In 2019 ( One Ram Mentioned)

[Akrasian]

Eventually a team will have to answer these questions:

Is an offense better with elite weapons and a top OL coupled with an average QB (on a rookie deal)?

Or better with an elite QB (which is giving Goff more credit than he deserves right now), average WRs and average OL?

Coaching plays a role too but that's in the Rams favor - and after all, our offense was MUCH better than the Packers, and they even had Adams and Graham as weapons.

In the near future a team will let a franchise QB go to keep the talent around the QB (and on defense) intact.

The problem isn't the franchise QBs. It's the less than true franchise guys who get paid like they are, and who raise the paydays for the truly great ones. Eli Manning? Puhleaze. He's somebody the Giants should have been trying to replace with a young QB - and once they found a guy they liked, jettison Eli and use the savings to have multiple good players elsewhere. Meanwhile, the great QBs look at the money Eli got and deservedly want more. (note - I'm not saying Eli has had a crap career. It's just that without a great team around him for two Super Bowls nobody would mistake him for anything but a good QB who can be replaced.)

 

[rdlkgliders]

Whatever! When is the draft!

 

[kurtfaulk]

Eventually a team will have to answer these questions:

Is an offense better with elite weapons and a top OL coupled with an average QB (on a rookie deal)?

Or better with an elite QB (which is giving Goff more credit than he deserves right now), average WRs and average OL?

Coaching plays a role too but that's in the Rams favor - and after all, our offense was MUCH better than the Packers, and they even had Adams and Graham as weapons.

In the near future a team will let a franchise QB go to keep the talent around the QB (and on defense) intact.

The only question is do we have a franchise QB?

If a team has one they won't let him go. No matter what.

Only injury made manning and brees available. And only because they had luck and rivers on their teams. The Redskins butchered their negotiations with cousins. Montana, they had Steve young waiting patiently.

If you don't have a QB you have nothing. That's why they get paid the big money.

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[Karate61]

Super Bowl 53

"Goff went 19-of-38 for 229 yards, no touchdowns and one putrid interception. His QBR for the game was 16.4 … out of 100

If Goff regresses more than that, Rams are in trouble!"

 

[tempests]

My god what does Goff have to do to get some damn respect???

They would rather see him fail then admit they were wrong about him. Quick to pounce when he's struggling but nowhere to be found when he's putting up record breaking performances.

You said it, fourth in TD passes, fifth in yards, eighth in passer rating and tied for 1st in QB wins the last two years. And he's not elite, how good is he going to be when he is elite?

 

[Faceplant]

Everytime people bet against Goff, it seems he makes them look stupid. I expect him to continue that trend. It's kind of like. .. what he does

 

[FrantikRam]

The problem isn't the franchise QBs. It's the less than true franchise guys who get paid like they are, and who raise the paydays for the truly great ones. Eli Manning? Puhleaze. He's somebody the Giants should have been trying to replace with a young QB - and once they found a guy they liked, jettison Eli and use the savings to have multiple good players elsewhere. Meanwhile, the great QBs look at the money Eli got and deservedly want more. (note - I'm not saying Eli has had a crap career. It's just that without a great team around him for two Super Bowls nobody would mistake him for anything but a good QB who can be replaced.)

Actually I think the problem IS with franchise QBs.

The Packers and Rams the last two years is a fascinating example to use. Rodgers got hurt in 2017 and the season was completely, 100% over - the Eagles showed the opposite, and this year the Rams are set up to overcome that as well. Say what you want to about Bortles - he played well enough to make the Super Bowl and our team is better than the one he did that with.

Here are the tiers we have had since QBs started making stupid money:

Patriots - exception to everything for numerous reasons including their division, but it's worth noting that Brady has rarely been a top paid QB in his career and they've sustained success

Packers/Saints/Colts and Broncos (with Peyton) - these are the cream of the crop QB-wise since QB contracts exploded - only Peyton has won Super Bowls while being paid that kind of money, and one of the Super Bowls that he won he was one of the worst players on the field - that's not really relevant to his contract though, but it does illustrate how a TEAM, not a QB, wins the Super Bowl. The Saints, Packers and Colts always seem to make the playoffs and almost always lost to a better TEAM.

These are the elite of the elite in NFL history - and they have a combined 4 Super Bowls. Brees and Rodgers can't even get back to the big game, and check out their contracts the year that they each won the Super Bowl.

But paying just "franchise" QBs? Horrible mistake. These guys are paid exactly like the guys above - but are worse players. Wilson, your Eli example, Matt Ryan, Rivers - these guys are all franchise guys and have been borderline elite in one or two years of their careers, but they are not on the same level as Brees/Brady/Rodgers.

If I were Seattle I would look Russell Wilson in the eye and say "we're not paying you as much as Brees or Rodgers because you are not as good as them".

 

[FrantikRam]

They would rather see him fail then admit they were wrong about him. Quick to pounce when he's struggling but nowhere to be found when he's putting up record breaking performances.

You said it, fourth in TD passes, fifth in yards, eighth in passer rating and tied for 1st in QB wins the last two years. And he's not elite, how good is he going to be when he is elite?

Based on how Goff performed his last 8 games, they are closer to being right about him than they are being wrong. It's on Goff now to improve.

 

[So Ram]

I would imagine we all are at least somewhat concerned about this possibility. It's beyond discussion that Goff was not good at the end of the year...we're just hoping it was the absence of Kupp

There is
More to it than missing Copper Kupp !!
That is ridiculous....
The defense The Rams played. Blythe has to step up !!! Sullivan is gone were some blamed him even more.
Still pissed at McVay & Reggie for not sitting Gurley out in the Philly game where they had it won.He made mention of it in his Rich Eisen show interview .Said Gurley fought through that game. Lmao !!! He should have not been in there especially after they had info early in the season his knee was not right. The Rams had qualified for the playoffs & game basically won. It’s called game management.
I guess a coach gets caught up in his on play calling & realize On others for making that choice. I’m sure McVay learned from it. Fighting through ?? Maybe not ??
—Reggie is a excellent trainer , but at some point a player has to be not allowed to play. It reminds me in a sense(not as bad ) of when Case Keenum got hit in a Ravens game & didn’t know where he was at.Dude looked like he just drank 1.75 liters of JACK. Still went to the line of scrimmage only to fumble the game away. Just disgusting to see him be able to do that in this day & age with concussion rules.
How the Refs don’t step in either. Pisses me off now just thinking The Rams lost because of it. That not being the point. It the health of player & cost of the game.
Whitworth would have stepped up if it was Goff who was wobbling around. Mcvay allows players input.That said Goff will continue to improve as McVay says from experience & seeing different looks again. He should be able to read defenses better.
The offensive line issue should be addressed in the 2019 draft. It helps as McVay says with the explosives. Maybe The Rams find another weapon as well ??

 

[dieterbrock]

Have the Rams picked up Goff's 5th year option yet?

 

[tempests]

Based on how Goff performed his last 8 games, they are closer to being right about him than they are being wrong. It's on Goff now to improve.

They were saying they were right after the first eight games of his career, when he was 1-7 as a starter. You have to take in the entire body of work.

 

[FrantikRam]

They were saying they were right after the first eight games of his career, when he was 1-7 as a starter. You have to take in the entire body of work.

I agree but it's worth noting that the same reasons why he struggled his first 8 games absolutely do NOT apply for his last 8.

Even with Kupp hurt, Cooks/Woods/Reynolds is a top 10 WR group. The OL may have struggled in some games, but they were a top 10 unit (if not top 5).

I'm not too worried about Goff, but I will be if he has another stretch like this next year.

 

[LARAMSinFeb.]

Based on how Goff performed his last 8 games, they are closer to being right about him than they are being wrong. It's on Goff now to improve.

Not only did we lose Kupp, but Gurley was less of a factor towards the end of the year as well. Plus there was a bit of Ds figuring out McVay. I think what balanced all that out was our D came together towards the end of the year.

 

[majrleaged]

But Goff WAS terrible for a stretch to end the season. The only thing that saved him statistically was playing an awful Niners team. That's relevant because if we're going to blame Kupp being out and the OL having a few bad games - the talent around him will decline once we pay him...if he needs perfect circumstances, paying him will prevent that from happening.

I think it was disappointing, his uneven play the last half of the season. I also think he raised our expectation with fenominal play the beginning of the season. I believe his history tells us not to conclude he is done improving and that he still has significant up side. By the end of his 5th season, maybe sooner, he will be able to carry his team when necessary. He is very young still and has much more to learn. Patience Grasshoppers

 

[dieterbrock]

Do teams normally wait until last minute to pick up the 5th year option? Don't the Rams only have like 2 weeks left to pick up his 5th year?

 

[FrantikRam]

Do teams normally wait until last minute to pick up the 5th year option? Don't the Rams only have like 2 weeks left to pick up his 5th year?

Last year we announced it on April 24th for whatever reason.

https://theramswire.usatoday.com/20...rcus-peters-fifth-year-option-2019-exercised/

 

[snackdaddy]

They were saying they were right after the first eight games of his career, when he was 1-7 as a starter. You have to take in the entire body of work.

Yup. Brees faltered down the stretch too. But no one's questioning his play because of his history. Goff doesn't have enough history. So opinions are just that. Opinions. If you want to look at Goff's history going back several years, he's always improved. I'd say over 4600 yards, 32 TD's. 15 wins and Superbowl appearance showed he did improve from the previous year. So he's still on track.