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CoachAllred

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I love McVay's offense. Not just because he is successful, but also because many of his concepts are based
out of the single wing offense ( Pop Warner's brilliant contribution to football).
There are a couple key elements from the single wing that McVay uses wonderfully.

1. The Mesh- The mesh is where at the beginning of the play there are 3 and sometimes 4 backs or receivers
meeting at the same time or in quick sequence creating ball fakes that threaten the defense in
3 or more different directions. Usually these threats will involve a sweep + inside run + counter + play action pass or QB
bootleg in opposite direction as sweep. If done correctly it can leave the defense in complete confusion.

McVay uses the jet motion, which I love. threatening the sweep with Woods or Kupp combined with trap , pass, counter threats
or whatever combo his badass offensive mind comes up with.

Another beautiful threat of the mesh is that you will have several plays that all look identical pre-snap. sound familiar ?
I coached the single wing for many years and on more than one occasion I would have refs come up to me
after the game and confess " coach, I had no idea where the ball was half of the time". ( Pop Warner was a genius)

2. The concept of- using a tight formation to create space
If you watched the game Sunday night, you heard the announcers speak on it.
It seems most everyone is in love with some sort of spread offense.looking to create space by spreading
the defense pre-snap with spread formations. But there are also advantages to the tight formations.
The tight formations create more space from side to side, making the flats much more difficult to cover.
We saw McVay tearing the Cowboys up, in the flats.
Another advantage is that it makes pick plays much easier to achieve.

The year Sean Peyton was suspended he helped coach his sons football team and had to face
a single wing team. Here is a quote from Sean after being routed in the championship.

“We spent all week, we talked to Bill Parcells and Jon Gruden and asked them how to defend the single wing,” said Payton. “You have no idea how much time we spent. You guys put 58 points on the board.”

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I love McVay's offense. Not just because he is successful, but also because many of his concepts are based
out of the single wing offense ( Pop Warner's brilliant contribution to football).
There are a couple key elements from the single wing that McVay uses wonderfully.

1. The Mesh- The mesh is where at the beginning of the play there are 3 and sometimes 4 backs or receivers
meeting at the same time or in quick sequence creating ball fakes that threaten the defense in
3 or more different directions. Usually these threats will involve a sweep + inside run + counter + play action pass or QB
bootleg in opposite direction as sweep. If done correctly it can leave the defense in complete confusion.

McVay uses the jet motion, which I love. threatening the sweep with Woods or Kupp combined with trap , pass, counter threats
or whatever combo his badass offensive mind comes up with.

Another beautiful threat of the mesh is that you will have several plays that all look identical pre-snap. sound familiar ?
I coached the single wing for many years and on more than one occasion I would have refs come up to me
after the game and confess " coach, I had no idea where the ball was half of the time". ( Pop Warner was a genius)

2. The concept of- using a tight formation to create space
If you watched the game Sunday night, you heard the announcers speak on it.
It seems most everyone is in love with some sort of spread offense.looking to create space by spreading
the defense pre-snap with spread formations. But there are also advantages to the tight formations.
The tight formations create more space from side to side, making the flats much more difficult to cover.
We saw McVay tearing the Cowboys up, in the flats.
Another advantage is that it makes pick plays much easier to achieve.

The year Sean Peyton was suspended he helped coach his sons football team and had to face
a single wing team. Here is a quote from Sean after being routed in the championship.

“We spent all week, we talked to Bill Parcells and Jon Gruden and asked them how to defend the single wing,” said Payton. “You have no idea how much time we spent. You guys put 58 points on the board.”

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Is the single wing a tight tríps formation?
 

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Is the single wing a tight tríps formation?
It's not the base formation, But it is used a lot in single wing. Single wingers call it the "beast" formation.
Single wing offense has several formations, depending on what your running.I always liked the Beast, jet series and base.
here is a picture of the single wing base formation. Never seen Mcvay use it and doubt he does.
What I'm seeing Mcvay run is single wing concepts more so than particular formations.

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Is the single wing a tight tríps formation?
Nope.

Coach is posting about an O that goes back to like 1905 or so.

Every OC probably uses a piece of Pop's O,heck it's like the original O and this is basically a copycat league.

Coaches OCs nowadays use every bit of any O out there , WCO Spread etc etc etc, it's basically a mixed up bag of tricks.

Jmho McVay uses eye candy motion. Follow the motion he counters,don't follow it,he'll burn them on it.
 

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It's not the base formation, But it is used a lot in single wing. Single wingers call it the "beast" formation.
Single wing offense has several formations, depending on what your running.I always liked the Beast, jet series and base.
here is a picture of the single wing base formation. Never seen Mcvay use it and doubt he does.
What I'm seeing Mcvay run is single wing concepts more so than particular formations.

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Nope.

Coach is posting about an O that goes back to like 1905 or so.

Every OC probably uses a piece of Pop's O,heck it's like the original O and this is basically a copycat league.

Coaches OCs nowadays use every bit of any O out there , WCO Spread etc etc etc, it's basically a mixed up bag of tricks.

Jmho McVay uses eye candy motion. Follow the motion he counters,don't follow it,he'll burn them on it.
:rolleyes:

I guess the 'single' in front of the 'wing' threw me off!

For some reason I was thinking it was like this on the left side of our formation. We used to call that 'reverse trips' and the inverse just 'trips'. I played football in both Alabama and New Mexico and it amazes me how many different names there are for the same exact formation or route. :LOL:
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One thing I love about Mcvay is his play calling and love to see where he's going again this season. Seems like he hit a bit of a rut last year and a quarter with not adjusting to the D that was stymieing us.
 

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During the game, they showed a nice side by side of two plays... one run, one pass ran from same formation.

The Rams really disguised it nicely.
 

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It's not the base formation, But it is used a lot in single wing. Single wingers call it the "beast" formation.
Single wing offense has several formations, depending on what your running.I always liked the Beast, jet series and base.
here is a picture of the single wing base formation. Never seen Mcvay use it and doubt he does.
What I'm seeing Mcvay run is single wing concepts more so than particular formations.

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I am not a smart man, so excuse me for along the stupid questions. Is the center snapping directly to the tailback in the single wing base? And if so, wtf is the quarterback doing here. And also, why? Does the single wing base not have any pass plays?
 

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QB calls the plays, smart fella, then is lead blocker for TB, I think
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ps single wing was ground chuck X 100, no passing zone
 

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What I love is when I watch other teams and see them running McVay's concepts. He really is an innovator, one of the minds in this league who are constantly pushing development. And I also think he's one of the best at disguising weaknesses through creative concepts.

But it's funny how the league cycles. Heard a guy a year or two back at a bar mention how running QBs are the future and I enjoyed pointing out running QBs were also the past, that there was a time when they didn't throw the ball at all.

Fun post @CoachAllred thanks for putting that up. :beer2: :cool:
 

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It's not the base formation, But it is used a lot in single wing. Single wingers call it the "beast" formation.
Single wing offense has several formations, depending on what your running.I always liked the Beast, jet series and base.
here is a picture of the single wing base formation. Never seen Mcvay use it and doubt he does.
What I'm seeing Mcvay run is single wing concepts more so than particular formations.

View attachment 39079

Do you have any old playbooks you'd be willing to share, please?
 

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Nope.

Coach is posting about an O that goes back to like 1905 or so.

Every OC probably uses a piece of Pop's O,heck it's like the original O and this is basically a copycat league.

Coaches OCs nowadays use every bit of any O out there , WCO Spread etc etc etc, it's basically a mixed up bag of tricks.

Jmho McVay uses eye candy motion. Follow the motion he counters,don't follow it,he'll burn them on it.

True. Every team uses some bit of the single wing, but Mcvay uses way more than most.
 

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I am not a smart man, so excuse me for along the stupid questions. Is the center snapping directly to the tailback in the single wing base? And if so, wtf is the quarterback doing here. And also, why? Does the single wing base not have any pass plays?

Yes base formation is direct snap football.Yes there are base formation passes.
Ive lost a lot of my game film due not being smart enough to back up my cpu.
But I will upload a couple pass plays out of base formation from a 10yr old team I coached.



View: https://youtu.be/4DHX_sK7lz0



View: https://youtu.be/CaBHGMPNnOw
 

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Do you have any old playbooks you'd be willing to share, please?

If your interested I have a Google Drive set up with
Instructional videos that teaches you the single wing
From step one to advanced.I use it to teach new assistant coaches
PM me your email address.
 

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For you X's and O's nerds out there... here's video football of my high-school nemesis running what they called the "Wing-T". They were virtually unstoppable. Even worse, they were polite about it. Haha..


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd6p2JfY0to


Love it.

My grandfolks live in Madison County, Fl. and that high school (class 1A or 2A) has won three straight state titles in a row. They beat all of the bigger schools around the area.. the ones that actually play them. They also run the wing T and play very physical stout defense. Its amazing to watch. Ive got many memories out on "boot hill".
 

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Love it.

My grandfolks live in Madison County, Fl. and that high school (class 1A or 2A) has won three straight state titles in a row. They beat all of the bigger schools around the area.. the ones that actually play them. They also run the wing T and play very physical stout defense. Its amazing to watch. Ive got many memories out on "boot hill".

I coach in a country type district where we are pulling far less kids than the programs in city districts.
The kids I get are generally smaller and less athletic than our opponents. Our program was 23 years old and had
never won a championship at any age group. Since I started running the single wing (ran double wing my first 10yrs)
we have won 4 championships and once was ranked number one in the state.
 

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What I love is when I watch other teams and see them running McVay's concepts. He really is an innovator, one of the minds in this league who are constantly pushing development. And I also think he's one of the best at disguising weaknesses through creative concepts.

But it's funny how the league cycles. Heard a guy a year or two back at a bar mention how running QBs are the future and I enjoyed pointing out running QBs were also the past, that there was a time when they didn't throw the ball at all.

Fun post @CoachAllred thanks for putting that up. :beer2: :cool:

I think one of the things that makes McVay so special is that he is a true football historian.
I would be willing to bet he has studied all of the past greats Pop Warner, Paul Brown, Lombardi
just to name a few. He is an obsessive student of the game. A walking sponge. Not A trend follower,
but a trend setter.
 

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I think one of the things that makes McVay so special is that he is a true football historian.
I would be willing to bet he has studied all of the past greats Pop Warner, Paul Brown, Lombardi
just to name a few. He is an obsessive student of the game. A walking sponge. Not A trend follower,
but a trend setter.
No doubt. I recall one of the early articles about him (maybe before we hired him hard to remember) observed that he was sitting at his desk and nuking the film of the SF drive that ended in the Montana to Clark TD pass. His excitement was noted by the author as well as him going on about how it was the run game that made that drive possible. I knew then he was the right dude.

He's no Mike Martz that's for damn sure.