More good news on Connor Cook

[dieterbrock]

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/11280/connor-cook

Michigan State's Connor Cook registered a velocity measurement of just 50 miles per hour on the radar gun at the NFL Combine.
Paxton Lynch (59 MPH), Jared Goff (58), and Carson Wentz (57) all exhibited strong velocity at the Combine. Per Rotoviz's Jon Moore via Ourlads' Dan Shonka, Cook's miles-per-hour measurement was the weakest of all quarterbacks invited to Indianapolis. Cook also opted out of the Senior Bowl, which is where NFL scouts assess throwing strength live. A big-named passer in college, Cook is likely headed for a draft-day plunge. And there are several additional red flags on Cook not related to his underwhelming passing ability. Mar 3 - 3:46 PM
Source: Jon Moore on Twitter

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

This was posted. I am not sure why it is good news. They have the entire list of guys from years past and someone noted that anyone below mid 50s didn't pan out.

 

[jrry32]

This was posted. I am not sure why it is good news. They have the entire list of guys from years past and someone noted that anyone below mid 50s didn't pan out.

Tyrod Taylor and Mike Glennon both panned out well enough.

I don't buy into these things. Certain QBs don't take it seriously. You can tell by the results...like Austin Davis having one of the highest recorded velocities despite having a majorly underwhelming arm.

 

[tahoe]

The list is pretty dumb over all but i still want no part of Cook

 

[Merlin]

Tyrod Taylor and Mike Glennon both panned out well enough.

I don't consider what either of them have accomplished in the NFL qualifying as "panning out."

Looking over the velocity of throws there isn't one guy in the low 50s who has amounted to anything in the NFL. Doesn't mean someone won't of course, but still.

 

[jrry32]

I don't consider what either of them have accomplished in the NFL qualifying as "panning out."

Looking over the velocity of throws there isn't one guy in the low 50s who has amounted to anything in the NFL. Doesn't mean someone won't of course, but still.

Tyrod finished 7th in QB Rating in his first year as a starter. Glennon had 29 TDs to 15 Ints across his first 19 games. I'd consider that panning out plenty well for a 6th and a 3rd round pick.

The radar gun numbers are meaningless imo.

 

[Mackeyser]

Also, initial gun is meaningless.

If QB A throws a tight well spun spiral at 52 MPH, that ball will go farther than QB B's throw, a loose spiral with minimal spin thrown at 56 MPH.

QB A will have more control and will be able to choose multiple trajectories whereas QB B may have to eliminate certain or even all variables and be left with potentially only one way to complete a pass.

To focus only on the initial ball speed is as silly as focusing solely on rotational speed of the ball coming out of the QBs hand. Flight stability is a function of both ball speed and rotation.

Manning is a good example of this. I dunno if it was the system, injuries or combination, but Manning was not spinning his deep outs and long balls and they ducked on him something fierce. The issue was mechanics.

When focusing on propects, we have to focus on what is necessary to be successful at the NFL level and which skills translate (which is why some college super stars never amount to anything in the pros and some just above average college players just blow up as pros).

I just don't see initial velocity being a meaningful criteria.

 

[RAMpage28]

http://boards.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=46962

Has more combine velocity results.

Colt McCoy had a 56. Faster than Joe Flacco (55).

Austin Davis 58 > Cam Newton 56 (which is equal to Andy Dalton 56) Blake Bortes 56 and Russell Wilson 55.

Not feeling like this is an accurate determination of arm strength.

 

[dieterbrock]

Here's the deal, Cook bailed on the Senior bowl and has faced a lot of scrutiny this off season. He was coming to the combine with something to prove.
Watch his tape, he's got the arm strength to throw with Wentz. The fact he didn't shows he didn't prepare.
He's got red flags all over him. IMO he's Hackenburg but had better talent to work with.

 

[Ants]

I believe I read that Cook was battling some sort of shoulder injury - which is why he opted out of the Sr. Bowl.

 

[tahoe]

Here's the deal, Cook bailed on the Senior bowl and has faced a lot of scrutiny this off season. He was coming to the combine with something to prove.
Watch his tape, he's got the arm strength to throw with Wentz. The fact he didn't shows he didn't prepare.
He's got red flags all over him. IMO he's Hackenburg but had better talent to work with.

Cook is Cutler with less arm talent

 

[dieterbrock]

Cook is Cutler with less arm talent

Curtis Painter with Cutler's brain

 

[tahoe]

Curtis Painter with Cutler's brain

nice

 

[8to12]

Here's the deal, Cook bailed on the Senior bowl and has faced a lot of scrutiny this off season. He was coming to the combine with something to prove.
Watch his tape, he's got the arm strength to throw with Wentz. The fact he didn't shows he didn't prepare.
He's got red flags all over him. IMO he's Hackenburg but had better talent to work with.

You may have to clarify your point. I'm confused by what you're saying.

 

[jrry32]

I gotta say that I love that Connor Cook already has the Jay Cutler facial expressions down:

Now, I want Cook to succeed entirely because people will hate him. He has that douchey frat guy look that Jay Cutler has.

Here's the deal, Cook bailed on the Senior bowl and has faced a lot of scrutiny this off season. He was coming to the combine with something to prove.
Watch his tape, he's got the arm strength to throw with Wentz. The fact he didn't shows he didn't prepare.
He's got red flags all over him. IMO he's Hackenburg but had better talent to work with.

Dieter, this doesn't make a lot of sense. I don't know how you'd draw the conclusion he didn't prepare from this one number.

And I disagree that he has the arm strength to throw with Wentz. He's more in the Goff territory.

 

[Dieter the Brock]

Cool Connor Cook is gonna make a solid pro and I hope he's a Ram

 

[dieterbrock]

Dieter, this doesn't make a lot of sense. I don't know how you'd draw the conclusion he didn't prepare from this one number.

And I disagree that he has the arm strength to throw with Wentz. He's more in the Goff territory.

Connor Cook wasn't going to wow anyone at the combine with his athleticism, his 40 time nor his interviews. His asset is his Arm. I may be a huge detractor of the kid, but arm strength and ability to make all the throws has never been my contention.
His first throw looked like a Rick Vaughn fastball before wearing glasses.
Maybe there is an undisclosed injury, but for a kid that missed the Senior bowl to lay it on the line at the combine, he didn't look prepared to me.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I was almost accepting that Cook would be the Rams first round pick but after the last few months I want no part of him. He scares me from the mental make up side of things.