MH370 What Happened?

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What do you think happened?

  • Major mechanical failure

    Votes: 12 54.5%
  • Pilot suicide

    Votes: 4 18.2%
  • Other

    Votes: 6 27.3%

  • Total voters
    22

CGI_Ram

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http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/07/asia/...id=ob_article_footer_expansion&iref=obnetwork

(CNN)Two years after MH370 went missing and key questions remain unanswered: Where is the plane and what happened in the cockpit in the early hours of March 8, 2014?

Amid the conspiracy theories, there are two main views on what might have happened.

The first suggests that the captain hijacked the plane and flew it with all 238 other people on board to their deaths by crashing in the southern Indian Ocean.

The second view, and the one to which I subscribe, is that there was some form of mechanical fault.

Under that scenario, the pilots tried to get back to safety in Malaysia, but became incapacitated and the plane flew on; or that the pilots are heroes, and knowing they were doomed, set a course to avoid ground casualties and died after the plane crashed.

The simple, short answer as to which is true: we don't know. Anyone who tells you they do know is, frankly, making it up.

Rogue pilot?

The pilot theory pins the probable blame on 53-year old captain Zaharie Shah. I don't agree for a variety of reasons.

Pilot suicide is incredibly rare. When it happens it is shocking and deeply troubling for the traveling public. The most recent of course was the horrible crash of Germanwings 9525 in March 2015, where the first officer, Andreas Lubitz locked the captain out of the cockpit, then reset the autopilot altitude to 100 feet sending the plane crashing into the French Alps.

Whether premeditated (as the evidence shows with Germanwings) or on the spur of the moment, the deranged mind doesn't spend hours carefully plotting flight plans, working out how to disconnect every communication tool on the aircraft, then flying elaborate routes around countries ostensibly to avoid military radars. No -- they take over the aircraft and crash the plane. MH370 doesn't fit this pattern. And so far I can't find any case that would suggest it does.
Time running out for MH370 families to take legal action

With pilot suicide cases, we tend to find out the potential reasons relatively quickly. With Germanwings, we found out almost immediately the psychological and medical issues suffered by Lubitz. He had been doctor shopping in the weeks before the crash, visiting numerous general practitioners, psychologists. He had ripped up sick notes in his apartment and had been researching online suicide methods and the locking mechanism of the cockpit door.

Insufficient evidence

With MH370, we have no real evidence. None whatsoever. We have a few rumors, a bit of gossip and a few circumstantial facts which some wish to string together to make a case against the pilots.

Let us not forget Captain Zaharie had been a pilot with Malaysian airlines since 1981. He was a captain on the 777 for more than 15 years. He was exceptionally experienced -- a training captain -- who had been paired with 27-year-old first officer Fariq Ab Hamid. Hamid was transitioning to the 777 fleet and this was one of his first 777 flights out of the simulator on the real metal. Hamid was engaged to be married to a pilot at another airline.

The Factual Report published on the first anniversary of the plane's disappearance actually goes so far as to dismiss these accusations. It says, "the captain's ability to handle stress at work and home was good. There were no significant changes in his life style, interpersonal conflict of family stresses."

I am not naïve and obviously can see that the Malaysians might want to put the "best face on" to protect the reputation of their country's pilots. But we have to take the report at face value -- it's all we have on the record.

In the absence of that hard evidence, alternative theories flourished, bolstered by rumors. Like how the captain circled his home island of Penang for "one last look," or how the plane flew at different altitudes and routes to avoid radar. These make good yarns but aren't true.

There was no circling of Penang and there was no major change in altitude -- the Malaysian radar turned out to be wrong. These theories were all debunked by the Australian Transport Security Bureau in a rebuttal to Australian veteran pilot Byron Bailey who argues for the "rogue pilot" theory.

Also, the plane was spotted by Thai radar, which ignored it because it wasn't relevant. Finally, never forget that the plane was spotted by the Malaysian military as it flew across the country on that fateful night but was also ignored. A rogue pilot couldn't have banked on the failure of an oblivious radar operator not to scramble jets to see what was going on.

I shall leave it to others to make the case against the pilots on technical grounds. But we must stick to the facts.

The fact is there is no evidence to say the pilots did this.

Before I am prepared to convict a lifelong captain or a newbie first officer of hijacking a plane and killing 238 other people, I want more than a few odd rumors, a lot of scurrilous gossip and a heap of poor arguments. I am prepared to be proved totally wrong. Until such time I am not prepared to say "it was the pilot that did it."
 

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It's a tough one. Unt they find the black box, we will never know.

Most crashes are caused by pilot error.
The tough one about this, was that all contact and communications with the crew and plane itself, was lost.

Both pilots were highly experianced. The communication failure, is why I think this could actually be a mechanical problem.
 

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4 whopping votes!

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I struggle with this one. But my guess is foul play was involved so I voted "other".

It's out there in the Indian Ocean somewhere... what little is left of it. I doubt we ever find out.
 

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I struggle with this one. But my guess is foul play was involved so I voted "other".

It's out there in the Indian Ocean somewhere... what little is left of it. I doubt we ever find out.

Good point. It could have been foul play.
 

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Good point. It could have been foul play.

I doubt that. If it were foul play it would have needed to be sophisticated terrorism, and there are simpler ways to bring down a plane. If you can eff up the navigation and communication systems, you can secrete a bomb. More certain, and politically more effective.

I think it was a weird system failure.
 

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I doubt that. If it were foul play it would have needed to be sophisticated terrorism, and there are simpler ways to bring down a plane. If you can eff up the navigation and communication systems, you can secrete a bomb. More certain, and politically more effective.

I think it was a weird system failure.

Wouldn't really be terrorism, as there wouldn't really be a point. Terrorism is supposed to try to convince a government to do something not just kill for no reason. I'm saying mechanical failure.
 

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I say it's a mechanical failure as well. Terrorist attacks usually try to kill as many people as they can. Also, why would they go after a Malaysian airline? Most terrorist attacks are either in the Middle East or try to attack the west.

I also don't think it was something that happened in-flight like losing all power. Planes (especially international flights) have backup power supplies. The odds of both failing are unlikely. I think something happened or wasn't checked properly before takeoff. IE., human error.
 

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I was in the Marine Corps and served aboard an aircraft carrier. It's a big ocean. I was never really surprised that the plane would be hard or even impossible to find.
 

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One in an million. Cockpit window failed. Instant depressurization. possibly even sucked the flight crew out the opening since at that point they would've taken seatbelts off for comfort or to move around. Rest of plane quickly depressurized and it flew on as a ghost flight till it ran out of fuel just following air currents.
Think Payne Stewart's ghost flight,
 

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One in an million. Cockpit window failed. Instant depressurization. possibly even sucked the flight crew out the opening since at that point they would've taken seatbelts off for comfort or to move around. Rest of plane quickly depressurized and it flew on as a ghost flight till it ran out of fuel just following air currents.
Think Payne Stewart's ghost flight,

Depressuration makes sense. I rewatched the National Geographic documentary yesterday... The mysterious turns of the aircraft are hard to explain in that scenario, however.

I'm leaning toward pilot suicide.

 

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Depressuration makes sense. I rewatched the National Geographic documentary yesterday... The mysterious turns of the aircraft are hard to explain in that scenario, however.

I'm leaning toward pilot suicide.


I was leaning to that for a long time. But why didn't he just get it over with and auger it in early on? Why fly till they ran out of fuel? Passive aggressive suicide?
Then i was talking to a retired AA pilot last summer at a fishing resort. He said that type aircraft is so stable that even without autopilot it will fly for hours hands off the controls. It will find it's own course based on the air currents and other atmospheric effects .
He was thinking depressurisation because of the randomness of the path.
 

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Good thread. Aviation mysteries are among the most compelling. Amelia Earhart, the 6 TBF Avengers in the Bermuda Triangle, TWA 800, MH370 and the list goes on. The fact that pieces of the aircraft are washing up on beaches thousands of miles from the suspect crash zone show the daunting task of piecing this together. This one could be solved tomorrow, or like Amelia Earhart, people will be wondering in 2094 what happened 80 years later.
 

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If it was decompression, it would have probably flown back into transponder distance on autopilot.