Man did the NCAA get it wrong again?

[Elmgrovegnome]

Not sure what happened with those miracle 4 plays...without those, I doubt this game was even close. PSU QB got extremely lucky.

Barkley, however, is the real deal.

McSorley has been making those plays all year. Talk about lucky, Darnold makes the same throws. Chucking it up while on the run and making something out of nothing is what good QBs do, albeit Darnold looks to be the better of the two. Russell WIlson does it all the time. You just can't admit that you were dead wrong.

 

[FrantikRam]

Gut? Eaten alive? Man you were wrong. I don't get why everyone understimates PSU so badly. That Michigan Loss was early in the year with a totally new offense, and debilitating injuries to the LBing corps. PSU still has some depth issues from sanctions, so their 5,6, 7 LBers are not what most teams are. They would love to have played that game later in the year when it all started to click and they were healthier.




You thought wrong..........eat it. USC had the better athletes and it was still a very close game. Two key suspensions by Franklin for academic reasons couldn't have helped. Taking away PSU's fasted WR and deep threat and their most athletic LBer had to hurt, but damn USC had 3 thoroughbreds at WR and a QB even better at improvising than McSorley. Still it was a close game. Barkeley's run to open the second half was crazy good btw.




I still don't see how you think this. Unless you think playing it safe and going with the least amount of losses instead of who is playing the best football at the end of the season is right. Conference Championships award the teams that play good enough to get there and at the top of their game by seasons end.... a la the NFL.




Exactly. Meyer being the coach and reputation alone gets them votes.




Unfortunately I think you are right. Ratings were lower for the Championship games than they were for major bowls.
I think the Monday Night thing is part of the reason....that and people are just tired of watching Alabama's boring brand of thug football.



Disagree. They were top 4. They could beat Washington and they did beat Ohio State. USC would be just barely ahead of them.
People act as if that OSU win didn't happen or it was a fluke. When PSU blocked the field goal they were only losing by 3 points. It wasn't 40 to nothing. It was 3 lousy points. It was a very close game. Plus OSU had half the quarter to come back and couldn't because their offensive line stunk this year.




They had some close games against some mediocre opponents late. Teams figured them out. They were not playing as well in the second half. Did you watch much of Ohio State this year? They had a leaky Oline that didn't give Barrett time to throw or anywhere to run.




Because Ohio State isn't that good this year. Pitt beat Clemson. They are not unbeatable. Ohio State got overrated because of reputation. They are nowhere near as good as they were two years ago, not even close.




You keep saying it and I don't think you really watched them much at the end. I did not see a top 4 team against PSU, MSU or Northwestern. I didn't think they looked good against Michigan either.........despite winning and despite Michigan looking like crap late in the year too.

I never thought this OSU team was better than the national championship team.

But that doesn't change the fact that Ohio State deserved to be in the top 4. Any team with that resume would - and contrary to what you believe, if we took Penn State and Ohio State and flipped them, I would say the exact same thing about Penn State, even if they too lost 31-0 to Clemson.

It's a kind of personal karma for me, because after Michigan State got blown out by Bama last year I said they shouldn't have been there - they won the Big 10 so they did deserve it though, and the main reason I said that was because there were other 1 loss teams. This year it was very clear cut who the top 4 teams were, and even though Ohio State got humbled and embarrassed we can't go back and say that someone else should have been there.

Everything kind of clarified during bowl season - as much as I hate to admit it - the Big 10 was very overrated.

Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State all lost to what I thought were inferior teams to them.

 

[dieterbrock]

I didn't think they looked good against Michigan either.........despite winning and despite Michigan looking like crap late in the year too.

Lol
Did I watch? Of course I did. I agree that I would love to see the Penn State team at the end of the season play Michigan, no doubt would turn out different. But they wont, and the fact is Michigan destroyed PSU 49-10.
So you cant tell me that OSU isn't a top 4 team when their only blemish was a 3 point loss on the road, but PSU gets to ignore being blasted by UM.
And if we are going to ignore wins because of "luck" then Clemson never makes the top 4. I watched Clemson win several games that they were completely "lucky" to win. But like Al Davis always said, just win baby. Or Valvano with Survive and advance

They got lucky and got it right, they had the best 4. I have no emotional attachment to any of the teams, frankly I hate most of them so I feel I'm pretty impartial here

But on the note of me eating my words because I said USC would crush PSU?
Yup, here's me enjoying some crow sammich on THAT one

 

[LACHAMP46]

You just can't admit that you were dead wrong.

4 consecutive touchdowns is lucky....that McSorely was part of those plays makes him lucky. Barkley IS the real deal, McSorely throws up passes that seem to be very fortunate to land in the recceivers hands. Darnold throws darts all over the field.
I'm gonna love to see what PSU does next year. Actually all the BIG teams (Mich, Mich ST., OSU) that appear to be strong, but weren't during bowl season.
So I don't think I'm dead wrong....pretty on point. PSU was lucky to be that close in a loss.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

4 consecutive touchdowns is lucky....that McSorely was part of those plays makes him lucky. Barkley IS the real deal, McSorely throws up passes that seem to be very fortunate to land in the recceivers hands. Darnold throws darts all over the field.
I'm gonna love to see what PSU does next year. Actually all the BIG teams (Mich, Mich ST., OSU) that appear to be strong, but weren't during bowl season.
So I don't think I'm dead wrong....pretty on point. PSU was lucky to be that close in a loss.

Sourgrapes. McSorley took his high school team to four state championships playing the same exact way. He doesn't have the physical skills or the pretty passes that Darnold or a top recruit would but he always manages to get it done. Amazing how a person can be lucky every time he steps on the football field. He gets the job done and Joe Moorheads offense is a big reason it all works. In the second half teams have been caught off guard with the deep passes every week. It all clicked halfway through the year and it worked against some very good teams.

The whole Big Ten is overrated thing is baloney. Which conference was any better? None of the conferences stood out. Just because they dropped some bowl games doesn't erase the entire season. Sure, overall the B1G doesn't get the advantage of reaping all of that Southern talent but they were the better coached conference. So their teams were not as talented but they played better for the most part. Michigan State has been doing that for years. Nick Saban started his career out that way. So did Meyer at Utah. PSU still had some issues with a depleted roster and played top ten football. Too many people just look at the rosters and make the decisions as to who is good or should be. It doesn't always pan out that way.

Sure PSU lost in the end. But, it was a very close and competitive game that came down to a few points. You call it luck but you have not been watching PSU do the same lucky plays all year long because you don't want to admit that they went toe to toe with a much more athletic USC team, that on paper should have blown PSU out. You call it luck, I call it heart and intelligence.

 

[LACHAMP46]

Amazing how a person can be lucky every time he steps on the football field

He did throw 3 int's in the game, yes? So, luck does run out.

The whole Big Ten is overrated thing is baloney. Which conference was any better? None of the conferences stood out. Just because they dropped some bowl games doesn't erase the entire season.

I happen to think the B1G is a very well coached conference. The players from there seem to pick up the pro game very easily. They don't have the skill position talent of several other conferences, but the line play I think balances it out.

Don't get me wrong, I think they play some good football out there, just not at the level of the teams that are ranked higher. I happen to think Michigan was the best team THIS year....

Savon Barkley is a stud. Could be the best RB in the country.

 

[Rabid Ram]

Gut? Eaten alive? Man you were wrong. I don't get why everyone understimates PSU so badly. That Michigan Loss was early in the year with a totally new offense, and debilitating injuries to the LBing corps. PSU still has some depth issues from sanctions, so their 5,6, 7 LBers are not what most teams are. They would love to have played that game later in the year when it all started to click and they were healthier.




You thought wrong..........eat it. USC had the better athletes and it was still a very close game. Two key suspensions by Franklin for academic reasons couldn't have helped. Taking away PSU's fasted WR and deep threat and their most athletic LBer had to hurt, but damn USC had 3 thoroughbreds at WR and a QB even better at improvising than McSorley. Still it was a close game. Barkeley's run to open the second half was crazy good btw.




I still don't see how you think this. Unless you think playing it safe and going with the least amount of losses instead of who is playing the best football at the end of the season is right. Conference Championships award the teams that play good enough to get there and at the top of their game by seasons end.... a la the NFL.




Exactly. Meyer being the coach and reputation alone gets them votes.




Unfortunately I think you are right. Ratings were lower for the Championship games than they were for major bowls.
I think the Monday Night thing is part of the reason....that and people are just tired of watching Alabama's boring brand of thug football.



Disagree. They were top 4. They could beat Washington and they did beat Ohio State. USC would be just barely ahead of them.
People act as if that OSU win didn't happen or it was a fluke. When PSU blocked the field goal they were only losing by 3 points. It wasn't 40 to nothing. It was 3 lousy points. It was a very close game. Plus OSU had half the quarter to come back and couldn't because their offensive line stunk this year.




They had some close games against some mediocre opponents late. Teams figured them out. They were not playing as well in the second half. Did you watch much of Ohio State this year? They had a leaky Oline that didn't give Barrett time to throw or anywhere to run.




Because Ohio State isn't that good this year. Pitt beat Clemson. They are not unbeatable. Ohio State got overrated because of reputation. They are nowhere near as good as they were two years ago, not even close.




You keep saying it and I don't think you really watched them much at the end. I did not see a top 4 team against PSU, MSU or Northwestern. I didn't think they looked good against Michigan either.........despite winning and despite Michigan looking like crap late in the year too.

So logic states PSU is better and more deserving becaauw PSU bet OSU? But gas a worse record? Also as your clear PSU bias states OSU had such a leaky okine that OSU sucked yet PSU only won by a fg hmmm? Look I get it your a PSU diehard fan but your continual cuts at OSU get/got old fast.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

So logic states PSU is better and more deserving becaauw PSU bet OSU? But gas a worse record? Also as your clear PSU bias states OSU had such a leaky okine that OSU sucked yet PSU only won by a fg hmmm? Look I get it your a PSU diehard fan but your continual cuts at OSU get/got old fast.

Logic states that teams that win the conference championships are playing the best football by seasons end. That is how it works in the NFL too. The teams that are playing the best win the playoffs. Otherwise we never get a Wildcard team with nine wins, like the Giants beating the powerhouse 18 win Patriots in the Superbowl. A few years ago Urban Meyer himself insisted that the conference Champions should be in the playoffs. It's all good when it suits his cause.

Clemson proved Ohio State had a bad OLine. Penn State did too. In the second half their best defensive end terrorized that line. The margin of victory might have been larger if he wasn't suspended by the coach for the first half. Penn State was playing better than OSU and Michigan who had some bad games at seasons end. Teams PSU beat handily.

And yes of course I am PSU bias. Otherwise I wouldn't care. Whoop Dee fucking do. PSU had a legitimate argument for being in the playoffs this year. They don't get that chance often. Instead we get the same Ole same Ole, who PSU beat and for the first time since the playoffs a conference Champion does not get in. It stings all the worse because PSU can't often compete against a recruiting juggernaut like Meyer, and when they do they are still dismissed as the lesser team, despite beating them in a close game.

It really isn't that hard to understand.

 

[Corbin]

So logic states PSU is better and more deserving becaauw PSU bet OSU? But gas a worse record? Also as your clear PSU bias states OSU had such a leaky okine that OSU sucked yet PSU only won by a fg hmmm? Look I get it your a PSU diehard fan but your continual cuts at OSU get/got old fast.

Haha cutting on OSU never gets old!!

 

[Force16X]

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Haha cutting on OSU never gets old!!

really havent seen much nut bustin by blue this century. but they're getting there with harbaugh. trust me, i live north of columbus ohio, buckeye fans know the good times are over with that rivalry.

 

[Corbin]

really havent seen much nut bustin by blue this century. but they're getting there with harbaugh. trust me, i live north of columbus ohio, buckeye fans know the good times are over with that rivalry.

Had to give them a chance after the domination for the previous 2 decades or so. So cute all the OSU band wagons nation wide that are running rampant now. In a few years they are going to be like Seahawk fans.. where they at?!

 

[Force16X]

Had to give them a chance after the domination for the previous 2 decades or so. So cute all the OSU band wagons nation wide that are running rampant now. In a few years they are going to be like Seahawk fans.. where they at?!

their (OSU) fans travel well, which is one reason they played clemson instead of penn state. being this close i get inundated with buckeye nonsense. you should see how the fans drive after losses, especially to blue.

 

[Corbin]

their (OSU) fans travel well, which is one reason they played clemson instead of penn state. being this close i get inundated with buckeye nonsense. you should see how the fans drive after losses, especially to blue.

That I have no doubt OSU fans travel well, they better enjoy it because that's shits about to stop just like we remember the 'Greatest Show on Turf' days they are talk about what happened a long time ago starting this next year. lol I couldn't imagine living there! I live across the country and they annoy me here.

Penn State was playing better than OSU and Michigan who had some bad games at seasons end. Teams PSU beat handily.

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Speaking of beating somebody handily did Michigans basketball team play PSU's football team?


With that being said I think PSU probably should of played in the playoffs instead of OSU, and with Clemson whooping that ass that proves the point by itself.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

That I have no doubt OSU fans travel well, they better enjoy it because that's shits about to stop just like we remember the 'Greatest Show on Turf' days they are talk about what happened a long time ago starting this next year. lol I couldn't imagine living there! I live across the country and they annoy me here.

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Speaking of beating somebody handily did Michigans basketball team play PSU's football team?


With that being said I think PSU probably should of played in the playoffs instead of OSU, and with Clemson whooping that ass that proves the point by itself.

At the end of the season. PSU installed a new offense. It took time to gel. Plus PSU had their three starting LBer out due to injury. PSU was the conference champs because they played well when it counted most. And yes Michigan and Ohio State are in their division.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

their (OSU) fans travel well, which is one reason they played clemson instead of penn state. being this close i get inundated with buckeye nonsense. you should see how the fans drive after losses, especially to blue.

Penn State has one of the biggest alumni associations in the country and their fans travel just as well as OSU's fans.

PLAyoff ratings are not good because fans don't like seeing the same teams every year. That is why the NFL wanted parity and worked to get it. Fans are tired of Alabama and Ohio State, and Clemson. Just another reason to have taken PSU over OSU. But their is this illusion that everybody wants to see the big name teams. Not every year.

 

[Corbin]

At the end of the season. PSU installed a new offense. It took time to gel. Plus PSU had their three starting LBer out due to injury. PSU was the conference champs because they played well when it counted most. And yes Michigan and Ohio State are in their division.

So your saying PSU did play Michigans basketball team then!? :rolllaugh:

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

So your saying PSU did play Michigans basketball team then!? :rolllaugh:

Nope, but did you watch any of Penn State's games? Ever look up stats. PSU had the highest ranked offense in the Big Ten. I don't understand your point. Michigan lost to Iowa 14-13 down the stretch, when it mattered most. That vaunted offense of yours only scored 20 on Indiana. PSU put up 45 on Indiana and 41 on Iowa. So what is your point? Do you even have one?

 

[Corbin]

look up stats. PSU had the highest ranked offense in the Big Ten.

LMAO really? Ok your bragging about being the top ranked offense in the Big 10 when you barely edged out OSU by less than a 100 yards? I mean if you were a top 10 offense in the country I can understand bragging but 28th? Really? seriously? Your so called vaunted offense only put up 191 yards and points against Michigan when they played each other. Top tier or something to write home about? I think not.

I don't understand your point. Michigan lost to Iowa 14-13 down the stretch, when it mattered most.

You guys lost to Pitt really? Are you seriously trying to say that Pitt is a better team or loss compared to Iowa? Not only that but your crappy defense let them score 42 on you!:rolllaugh:

That vaunted offense of yours only scored 20 on Indiana. PSU put up 45 on Indiana and 41 on Iowa. So what is your point? Do you even have one?

I never said anything about our offense being vaunted which in your head must of happened but what is a prized fact is our vaunted defense which is rated #1 ( that's right numero uno) in the country.

Penn State was fortunate to even be considered for the playoffs but I'm sure it would of fared the same vs Clemson. The only team out of the Big 10 that would of even made that a game would of been Michigan.


View: https://youtu.be/Pgw3gtzWfaA

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

You guys lost to Pitt really? Are you seriously trying to say that Pitt is a better team or loss compared to Iowa? Not only that but your crappy defense let them score 42 on you!:rolllaugh:

Clemson lost to Pitt too. You know who they are right? National Champions that beat Alabama.

The Pitt game was very close for PSU. It came down to one dropped pass at the end of the game. Why was it so close? Having the top three linebackers out with injury allowed Pitt to run all over them. Same thing against Michigan. I know injuries are part of the game, Just saying when they got their Lbers back the defense got much better. The offense was so good though that they lost both starting OTs and still kept rolling. PSU is still recovering from sanctions. They don't have the depth that the rest of the country has yet they still managed to win the Big Ten, despite all of the doubters. You know, the same conference that Ohio State and your team are in.

Your so called vaunted offense only put up 191 yards and points against Michigan when they played each other.

Reading impairment sucks. Sorry for your deficiency but I will repeat. PSU had a new Offense installed with a new Coordinator. It didn't click until about halfway through the season. If it had been clicked immediately they would probably have had a top ten offense. Maybe number 1

The only team out of the Big 10 that would of even made that a game would of been Michigan.

I never said anything about our offense being vaunted

Referring to the Mythigan offense as a basketball team sounds like you think it is pretty special.

 

[Corbin]

Clemson lost to Pitt too. You know who they are right? National Champions that beat Alabama.

The Pitt game was very close for PSU. It came down to one dropped pass at the end of the game. Why was it so close? Having the top three linebackers out with injury allowed Pitt to run all over them. Same thing against Michigan. I know injuries are part of the game, Just saying when they got their Lbers back the defense got much better. The offense was so good though that they lost both starting OTs and still kept rolling. PSU is still recovering from sanctions. They don't have the depth that the rest of the country has yet they still managed to win the Big Ten, despite all of the doubters. You know, the same conference that Ohio State and your team are in.




Reading impairment sucks. Sorry for your deficiency but I will repeat. PSU had a new Offense installed with a new Coordinator. It didn't click until about halfway through the season. If it had been clicked immediately they would probably have had a top ten offense. Maybe number 1





Referring to the Mythigan offense as a basketball team sounds like you think it is pretty special.

I see this thread is going to turn to fighting in a basement where nobody is leaving...