I think we will see a new offense this coming season

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Goff's style of play reminds me of Philip Rivers with Goff having a stronger arm. Rivers has put up HOF type numbers over his long career and he never played behind anything better than a mediocre o-line. That's why I'm saying the key to this offense is the o-line. Keep Goff clean and he will put up bigtime numbers. He simply needs to learn to read the complexities of the defense better and quicker. Once he does, he's going to be not just a good franchise QB but truly an elite talent.

I'm really encouraged by the way the o-line is shaping up. Allen at center will plug the hole Blythe is creating and improve the inside run game. Whitworth's performance this year has clearly declined. As pointed out in a recent article he's needed more help this year than almost any LT. That's why IMO Noteboom will be the LT of the future and he looked very good at LT in 2018.

Gurley and Henderson have shown they can be a very good tandem if the blocking in front of them is simply up to par. IMO the offense is going to change. They aren't going to stay the finesse type of offense they were in 2018-2019. I think we are going to see a power offense, going straight at the defense challenging them to stop the Rams. We saw a bit of that in the first game that Evans and Edwards started together on the right side. Why Kromer didn't build on that is why IMO he's the problem behind the run game, not the RBs. It's why I see them incorporating a lead blocker be it a TE in an H-back alignment or a true FB like I expect them to draft in the mid-rounds (rounds 3-5). They aren't blind to how much success the Niners are having with their power gap scheme. The Rams have a better pass game with much deeper receiving corps. They would be very tough to stop.

That's why Kromer has to go because up to this point he hasn't shown he can run that type of scheme. I really hope they promote Fisch to OC (Kromer's position). IMO Fisch has been and will continue to be the real force behind Goff's development. It's no coincidence Goff's development coincided with the hiring of Fisch. He knows how to develop QBs and WRs. It's why this offensive passing game has been so good. The Rams need to promote him to really keep him and allow his offense to blossom. IMO Kromer is a roadblock to this offense continuing to develop. This offense looks like Fisch's work because of the way Goff has developed and his style of play and how the WRs have blossomed (especially Kupp) into a truly elite unit.

If they really want to keep Kromer then keep him simply as the RB's coach. Regardless of the coaching staff changes, I think we will see a whole new offense next year running a completely different scheme. It will be interesting to see and we will be able to understand a lot by how they draft. IMO it will still be mostly defense, but I see a FB or big back with 4.4-4.5 speed to replace Brown.
 

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I disagree.
About a massive scheme change and about Allen and Noteboom. Noteboom in particular.
Too early to write them off but too early to give them jobs at this point given their performance.
 

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I do feel like next year we will see some I-formation and fullback in our offense.
 

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I didn't think Allen was all that thrilling at center this season. Why the love for him? I recall seeing him blown out time after time, game after game.
 

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Kromer can run that type of offense, the Bills used a FB when Kromer was there. Rams drafted a FB in the 6th in McVay/Kromers first year. Rogers didn't pan out and the offense thrived under 11 personnel. Hopefully we do see some changes now that teams are scheming against it, but there seemed to be some reluctance to change.
 

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Kromer can run that type of offense, the Bills used a FB when Kromer was there. Rams drafted a FB in the 6th in McVay/Kromers first year. Rogers didn't pan out and the offense thrived under 11 personnel. Hopefully we do see some changes now that teams are scheming against it, but there seemed to be some reluctance to change.
McVay needs to learn from Bruce Lee..."Be Like Water"!
 

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Goff's style of play reminds me of Philip Rivers with Goff having a stronger arm. Rivers has put up HOF type numbers over his long career and he never played behind anything better than a mediocre o-line. That's why I'm saying the key to this offense is the o-line. Keep Goff clean and he will put up bigtime numbers. He simply needs to learn to read the complexities of the defense better and quicker. Once he does, he's going to be not just a good franchise QB but truly an elite talent.

I'm really encouraged by the way the o-line is shaping up. Allen at center will plug the hole Blythe is creating and improve the inside run game. Whitworth's performance this year has clearly declined. As pointed out in a recent article he's needed more help this year than almost any LT. That's why IMO Noteboom will be the LT of the future and he looked very good at LT in 2018.

Gurley and Henderson have shown they can be a very good tandem if the blocking in front of them is simply up to par. IMO the offense is going to change. They aren't going to stay the finesse type of offense they were in 2018-2019. I think we are going to see a power offense, going straight at the defense challenging them to stop the Rams. We saw a bit of that in the first game that Evans and Edwards started together on the right side. Why Kromer didn't build on that is why IMO he's the problem behind the run game, not the RBs. It's why I see them incorporating a lead blocker be it a TE in an H-back alignment or a true FB like I expect them to draft in the mid-rounds (rounds 3-5). They aren't blind to how much success the Niners are having with their power gap scheme. The Rams have a better pass game with much deeper receiving corps. They would be very tough to stop.

That's why Kromer has to go because up to this point he hasn't shown he can run that type of scheme. I really hope they promote Fisch to OC (Kromer's position). IMO Fisch has been and will continue to be the real force behind Goff's development. It's no coincidence Goff's development coincided with the hiring of Fisch. He knows how to develop QBs and WRs. It's why this offensive passing game has been so good. The Rams need to promote him to really keep him and allow his offense to blossom. IMO Kromer is a roadblock to this offense continuing to develop. This offense looks like Fisch's work because of the way Goff has developed and his style of play and how the WRs have blossomed (especially Kupp) into a truly elite unit.

If they really want to keep Kromer then keep him simply as the RB's coach. Regardless of the coaching staff changes, I think we will see a whole new offense next year running a completely different scheme. It will be interesting to see and we will be able to understand a lot by how they draft. IMO it will still be mostly defense, but I see a FB or big back with 4.4-4.5 speed to replace Brown.

First NO WAY Goff is like P. Rivers !!! If you ever went to any of the scrimmages you can see that. Goff is a system QB who needs to still make better reads, but does well in 2 minute offense.
Rivers has a excellent free lance fell for the game.Is not afraid to make certain throws. Knows how to buy time in the pocket & finds guys down field. Actually Rivers & Rogers are more of the same. Rogers is faster .
 

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In one breath you say Goff is like Rivers.

In the next you say Rivers has put of HoF numbers behind a mediocre OL - Goff isn't to that level yet.
 

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Whitworth's performance this year has clearly declined. As pointed out in a recent article he's needed more help this year than almost any LT. That's why IMO Noteboom will be the LT of the future and he looked very good at LT in 2018.

I think most fans understand this, the problem being that no-one seems to know when Noteboom might return, and once he does, how much time will be required for him to get back up to speed as his injury was pretty severe. Even with Whitworth's age and decline, he's better than half the LT's still starting in this league. If he requires some TE chipping help, so be it, whatever works, but while the OL transitions with the youth movement, he's our best alternative at the position and in the locker room. A team friendly CAP deal and this is a no-brainer imo.
 
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Big Whit or Rams are in for a long season with no left tackle, and this could set back, even ruin Goff.
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Not only should the Rams retain Whitworth for a final season, they should also prioritize another OT high in the draft. At best we only have Whitworth for one more year & Havenstein regressed somewhat last season, there's no telling where that's going to lead. Until Noteboom returns, Evans, Edwards, Brewer & Demby are our current alternatives, but they may be playing other positions, applying for the Swing Tackle job, riding the pine, or in Demby's case, possibly visiting the practice squad. And there's no guarantee that Noteboom will be the same player we drafted. It may be unpopular, but I draft an OT before another Center as Snead signed 3 Centers after the season began to further compete with Allen and/or a back-up role.
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I disagree.
About a massive scheme change and about Allen and Noteboom. Noteboom in particular.
Too early to write them off but too early to give them jobs at this point given their performance.
Well said.

People have their favorites and are more concerned at times with their player predictions being correct to feed their egos than seeing the truth of things. This applies to fans, coaches, and GMs.

Not gonna write either of them off personally. They should both be in the competition for next camp and we will see if they can improve.
 

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Not as concerned about personnel at this point. The Rams will have roster turnover as does every team. Vets will get paid, others will not, we'll lose a key starter or two, young guys will have to step up etc. We'll be loaded again.

The offensive scheme has to evolve.
I believe this was the core problem from week 1 that exacerbated all the other issues like having the young guys on the OLine, Goff looking like an average QB, and the run game being largely ineffective.

McV did an admirable job of trying to react mid-season and stopped the bleeding of an offense that had been almost completely neutered by defenses around the league. Two years of film, running the same 11 personnel with the same core group.

I would fully expect a far more diverse offense next season. I expected it this season after what we saw late last season and culminating in the Super bowl loss. It didn't happen.
 

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As soon as you said Allen at Center I laughed and stopped reading. How bad does a player have to play before fans realize he sicks?
 

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As much as it hurt the team early on, starting the younger guys due to injuries might be a blessing in disguise. Edwards and Evans ended up with more playing time than Noteboom. So they are actually ahead in their progress at this point.

Its possible both will be starting next season. Havenstein's starting job should not be a sure thing. Plus, Blythe sure looked a lot better at center than guard. Re-sign him and Big Whit, its possible this team will be deeper on the line with the rookies being pressed into starters sooner than expected.

Whit, Noteboom, Allen, Blythe, Edwards, Evans, Corbett and Havenstein. That is 8 deep with everyone having more experience than before this season. Some more experience and depth from the younger guys could make this line much better. That could do wonders for Goff and the run game too. I felt like they weren't prepared for the injuries early on. They got better as the season progressed.
 

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People have their favorites and are more concerned at times with their player predictions being correct to feed their egos than seeing the truth of things. This applies to fans, coaches, and GMs.

But not ROD members, thank god. :cool:
 

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Sign Blythe incase we don't find a better Center. He excelled there Vs. Guard.
Gotta let Whit walk guys. You say you want him back but he needed more help than any LT in the league. Do your homework people.
Hav should be traded, too bad he didn't play slightly better we probably could demand more for him but unloading his salary will be his biggest blessing to the Rams and their cap.
Corbett, Evans and Edwards are the future. Their play showed they can play and play well but need a little time to develop. They are young and cheap (key word cheap)
Need to find another Guard and LT either in the draft or FA. I don't like Boom as much as some of you at LT, and we wont find out until about mid next season if he can even play LT. As much as I liked him coming out of college I think he'll be playing backup next year until he's fully healed and up to speed.
Allen will be a solid backup for Blythe if we come up short on finding a replacement center. I think right now Blythe is pretty safe because he can play any interior position.

On another point some of you are dicks. This guy is just giving his opinions on the Rams and you guys treat the OP like a red headed step child. Not cool dudes. Not cool at all.
 

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Give me 6 homeless rubbies and the best OL in the league and we can score 30 points per game. Well, not quite, but you get the idea. I really hope we acquire some ace linemen via draft, trade, or FA. I love Andrew Whitworth but I can't see him coming back. I would guess he is leaning towards retirement, and the Rams aren't going to give him big money. He had more penalties than anyone in the league. OTOH, Goff had fewer sacks than anyone, so there's that.
 

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Sign Blythe incase we don't find a better Center. He excelled there Vs. Guard.

You're not serious are you? Blythe has been the weak link for 2 years now. He didn't excel at center. His blown blocks were directly responsible for 2 INTs. Watch the games and watch Blythe. If he can't center up on a defender he's toast. Even then he gets pushed back and most times discarded like a used condum, he can't pull, he can't block on the second level. A center has to be able to block on the second level. Why do you think the run game sucked between the tackles?

Allen graded out better than Sullivan during the games he played. First year starter with no pre-season to get up to speed.....Allen and Noteboom were just thrown to the wolves and it simply proves what I've been saying about Kromer. They weren't prepared and the lack of good coaching was evident on the o-line all season.
 

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That's why Kromer has to go because up to this point he hasn't shown he can run that type of scheme. I really hope they promote Fisch to OC (Kromer's position).

Good post - totally agree. My question is twofold:
Are you saying Kromer has to go period, or as run game coordinator (whatever that is)?
He gets banged on a lot for our Oline woes, but I haven't seen anyone suggest maybe he was told "What you got is what you're going to get - live with it and make it work". Then he had some injuries, so as an Oline coach, I'm OK with him.
and 2, agree on Fisch, but Kromer really wasn't the OC.