Here’s an almost unthinkable “what if” at Ram CB for you...

[Merlin]

I've already shared my concerns on the dude. He tends to rub me the wrong way not a fan of his.

But IF the Rams had any reservations on him the window for moving Ramsey was this offseason and trying to recoup some value. They didn't so I presume they are all in on him.

Laatly the idea that our depth is so great at CB that we can maybe let a player of his caliber go and be better off is some serious rainbow and unicorn BS. I always enjoy your optimism 43 but holy fuck man back away from the bowl of sugar.

 

[Faceplant]

The Hill hype has me worried. I think he is what we saw prior to the end of last year. He benefitted quite a bit from Ramsey being on the other side. Not convinced Ramsey was a great pickup at the cost, but we may as well back up the Brinks and get it over with.

 

[The Ramowl]

I think the ability of the FO to always reevaluate is a quality of this team. They make bold moves, but they don't fall for the gambler's logical fallacy of "we've spent to much, need to go all in now".

The 1st are spent, if Ramsey's play doesn't match the amounts he asks for, move him somewhere else.

Teams that don't make big moves don't make big mistakes, they also don't win much.

 

[Corbin]

I've been a long time contender for we shouldn't have traded for Ramsey and we should have dealt him this last draft. Plenty of time this year. I'd be comfortable with Hill and Long as our CB's with our safeties and slots we got in the draft.

I would have rather kept either Fowler or Littleton. It's a shame we let them walk to be in this situation with Ramsey and no 1st round cheap talent.

 

[Rams43]

I've already shared my concerns on the dude. He tends to rub me the wrong way not a fan of his.

But IF the Rams had any reservations on him the window for moving Ramsey was this offseason and trying to recoup some value. They didn't so I presume they are all in on him.

Laatly the idea that our depth is so great at CB that we can maybe let a player of his caliber go and be better off is some serious rainbow and unicorn BS. I always enjoy your optimism 43 but holy fuck man back away from the bowl of sugar.

All I’m suggesting here is that Ramsey’s price tag of two 1sts was based upon reputation and on field production prior to ‘19.

His ‘19 season wasn’t really all that, was it? So, to me, he needs to regain that elite status on the field to justify that ginormous contract that Mr Brinks truck is seeking. If he does he should get paid, but if he doesn’t? Well, the Rams have options.

Why is that ‘rainbow and unicorns’ material? Seems like common sense in this cap era.

Frankly, I think Ramsey can and will do it and thereby will enjoy a juicy extension. But he’s got to do better than his ‘19 season to get it, IMO.

 

[So Ram]

We don't get any real information from the Rams so why not take a guess or two.

it's a strange time with the season in doubt and future salary cap being less or equal to this year. I have my doubts that Ramsey is worth $18 million a year or more. I think the Rams are going to have to resign him. Hopefully, they can keep the cap hit lower in the first year or two. Maybe, they can do it soon which may help keeping the hit lower. It could be contract that sounds like a bigger deal than it really is with last year or two a possible outs. The guaranteed money is what really counts. The link has top 10 if interested.


NFL's highest paid cornerbacks (average salary per year):

• Eagles cornerback Darius Slay: $16.7 million.
• Dolphins cornerback Byron Jones: $16.5 million.
• Dolphins cornerback Xavien Howard: $15.1 million.
• Giants cornerback James Bradberry: $14.5 million.
• Cardinals cornerback Patrick Peterson: $14 million.

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Crazy - the Fins have that much invested in CB’s ? Peterson looks like a steal.

You know looking back how fucked was Snisher ?? McSnead paid how much for Tru ?? on being franchised ??

The CB from the Skins only had good things to say about Mcvay when left. I think it was Hall ??

I just like the fact McSnead keep adding depth in the DBackfield!!

Robey-Coleman was as good as a FA as The Rams have had. He made Joyner so much better from the switch to FS. The slot CB position is not easy.I like the diversity of this group. D.long & D Williams along with Burgess helps the mix .

-RAMsey is a question mark of his future. No doubt. I think it is BEST to let things play out for both parties.
I like the fact Jalen is not causing any DRAMA. He is got that DIVA inside him,but hopefully he keeps it in house & Mcvay can reel it in when needed.

Just looking at The Rams talent from 1 to 53 is solid. The thing that sucks is they can’t afford all there talent. This will prove out once again with Comp Picks. I think 2022 The Rams might get 3 Comp Picks.
2021 season is scary to think of how the cap will work.

 

[Merlin]

All I’m suggesting here is that Ramsey’s price tag of two 1sts was based upon reputation and on field production prior to ‘19.

His ‘19 season wasn’t really all that, was it? So, to me, he needs to regain that elite status on the field to justify that ginormous contract that Mr Brinks truck is seeking. If he does he should get paid, but if he doesn’t? Well, the Rams have options.

Why is that ‘rainbow and unicorns’ material? Seems like common sense in this cap era.

Frankly, I think Ramsey can and will do it and thereby will enjoy a juicy extension. But he’s got to do better than his ‘19 season to get it, IMO.

I disagree with you on two things 43...

1. This concept that Ramsey has to prove something to the Rams is ridiculous. We gave up 2x first round picks for the guy. The Rams already invested heavily in him. And if by some chance they saw something they thought was a no-go in terms of his personality this past offseason was the last real chance to move him and they didn't so I presume they're all in with him. If the Rams want to fuck around and play hardball with the guy he'll simply leave in FA and get paid by another team. If anything the Rams need to demonstrate in 2020 that they can stack a playoff roster which, given the current state of some position groups, is not a given.

2. The concept that the Rams' CB depth is some sort of superior collection of starters even without Ramsey in the secondary. First off Hill has been up and down his entire career at the NFL level so assuming he's a top corner is a very big assumption. Secondly Long wasn't able to crack the starting lineup in spite of a guy like Hill starting, so assuming he's some elite cover guy waiting to get his accolades is just as crazy. I do like some of Long's game btw. But he's got a lot to prove still at this level. Thirdly as much as I like Deayon and Williams, that is as bottom of the depth chart guys who might be potential starters at some point.

Also you completely overlook the impact of a new scheme. These DBs were collected at Wade's direction. They were selected to play what he wanted them to play. We have a new DC who will run more zone though, and this same collection of players were not very good when they zoned up opponents in 2019. So there are a lot of unknowns with the new DC and how all that's gonna play out but you take only the most positive expectation (you expect a young and unproven DC to be better than Wade Phillips and all the pieces to immediately pick up and run his scheme at the highest level).

As I said I enjoy your posts because of your positivity. Always have. But sometimes you take it a bit too far or like in this case way too far is all I'm observing here. At this point you expect the OL depth to have starters all through it, the ILB depth to rise up and dominate, and now feel like we can trade Ramsey and our unbelievable depth can dominate without him. I mean c'mon man! You've been watching ball long enough to know better than that. Teams only get to strike lightning like that once in a blue moon, to expect it is nuts man.

I really like this roster btw. I like the young talent at key positions. But I'm not gonna delude myself that every depth option on this roster is a superstar waiting for his chance. Sorry my man.

 

[Ramstien]

As I see it, Donald and Ramsey are the two most valuable player on this defense.

 

[Dick84]

I'm gonna go with "fully unthinkable."
Ramsey is a superstar.. you keep those. I say this while professing my deep love for Darious Willams... flat-out BALLER. Troy Hill is solid and Long has plenty of room to grow.

 

[Rams43]

I disagree with you on two things 43...

1. This concept that Ramsey has to prove something to the Rams is ridiculous. We gave up 2x first round picks for the guy. The Rams already invested heavily in him. And if by some chance they saw something they thought was a no-go in terms of his personality this past offseason was the last real chance to move him and they didn't so I presume they're all in with him. If the Rams want to fuck around and play hardball with the guy he'll simply leave in FA and get paid by another team. If anything the Rams need to demonstrate in 2020 that they can stack a playoff roster which, given the current state of some position groups, is not a given.

2. The concept that the Rams' CB depth is some sort of superior collection of starters even without Ramsey in the secondary. First off Hill has been up and down his entire career at the NFL level so assuming he's a top corner is a very big assumption. Secondly Long wasn't able to crack the starting lineup in spite of a guy like Hill starting, so assuming he's some elite cover guy waiting to get his accolades is just as crazy. I do like some of Long's game btw. But he's got a lot to prove still at this level. Thirdly as much as I like Deayon and Williams, that is as bottom of the depth chart guys who might be potential starters at some point.

Also you completely overlook the impact of a new scheme. These DBs were collected at Wade's direction. They were selected to play what he wanted them to play. We have a new DC who will run more zone though, and this same collection of players were not very good when they zoned up opponents in 2019. So there are a lot of unknowns with the new DC and how all that's gonna play out but you take only the most positive expectation (you expect a young and unproven DC to be better than Wade Phillips and all the pieces to immediately pick up and run his scheme at the highest level).

As I said I enjoy your posts because of your positivity. Always have. But sometimes you take it a bit too far or like in this case way too far is all I'm observing here. At this point you expect the OL depth to have starters all through it, the ILB depth to rise up and dominate, and now feel like we can trade Ramsey and our unbelievable depth can dominate without him. I mean c'mon man! You've been watching ball long enough to know better than that. Teams only get to strike lightning like that once in a blue moon, to expect it is nuts man.

I really like this roster btw. I like the young talent at key positions. But I'm not gonna delude myself that every depth option on this roster is a superstar waiting for his chance. Sorry my man.

Couple of things...

I was under the impression that Staley favored more man coverage, not more zone. Am I wrong there? And Hill is more of a zone CB, so that works in favor of your argument.

Look, I’m a big Ramsey fan and was happy to see that trade. But I did expect more from Ramsey than he produced in ‘19, for whatever reason. Is it so unreasonable to expect actual elite play from Ramsey BEFORE rewarding him with a record contract? Haven‘t we learned anything from the Gurley and Cooks contracts?

From what I’ve read, Staley is hinting that he intends to use Ramsey in many different ways in order to confuse QB’s. I can’t wait to see that unfold. IOW, I’m pulling for Ramsey. But I want to see elite play as a Ram before closing the deal with an elite contract.

We clearly have different impressions of the quality of our CB depth. So be it. Time will determine whether I’m being overly optimistic. I’m particularly liking this Williams kid.

As to Staley vs Wade? I was calling for a Wade replacement a year ago. The guy was the most personable coach imaginable, but he had lost his fastball. Want proof? Not one team has hired this former legend. I’m thinking that Staley could be our ‘McVay’ on D and can’t wait to see this D on the field.

 

[BonifayRam]

My first thought on Staley on Jalen Ramsey ........there may not be a more versatile DB starting in the NFL better than Jalen Ramsey. I see a DB who was made to play in the Staley defensive scheme.

JR is talented enough to win any matchup @ all the secondary positions Staley can think of .....anywhere anytime. A true marriage made in football heaven as I see it. I see the JR trade & the hiring of DC Brandon Staley as unbelievable stroke of luck for this 2020 defense. The defensive scheme can make JR as big in the NFL as Aaron Donald if he can keep growing in maturity along with keeping some humbleness while keeping his abundance of arrogance undercover.

Snead has two very young talented CB's (Long/Burgess) both drafted in the 3rd rounds of the 2019&2020 drafts to groom to be major players in Staley new defense. I would expect that both these young corners will be utilized much more often by Staley than what we have seen from Wade over the last 3 seasons.

View: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2900418-rams-cb-jalen-ramsey-is-the-amari-cooper-of-corners-says-anonymous-nfl-qb

Here's my perception as to how the Rams 2021 CB cadre will look like:
#1-Ram 2021 UFA's CB's Troy Hill & Donte Deayon will depart & sign elsewhere.
#2-Snead end up drafting on the 2nd day of the 2021 NFL draft another CB to replace the loss of the above corners.
#3-CB Darious Williams will sign Ram's RFA tender offered in March 2021 to start @ one outside corner post in 2021.
#4-Jalen Ramsey will be under contract & leading the Rams secondary in 2021 & beyond with corners Williams, Long, Burgess, Alexander & the newly drafted rookie as our corner cadre.

 

[Memento]

You simply don't get rid of players like Ramsey, especially when they're in their prime and the only "off-the-field" issue they have is wanting money.

 

[Corbin]

I’m not being a smart ass but can Ramsey shut down half a field?

I haven’t seen it if he can. Maybe old Jags tape from 15-16? During the Sackinville era?

 

[Memento]

I’m not being a smart ass but can Ramsey shut down half a field?

I haven’t seen it if he can. Maybe old Jags tape from 15-16? During the Sackinville era?

Yeah, Ramsey can definitely shut down a good half of the field. He proved it in Jacksonville; he'll prove it here. I'm especially excited to hear Staley say that Ramsey could line up against tight ends; that'll be helpful against Kittle.

 

[RamsOfCastamere]

View: https://www.instagram.com/p/CCthSvnDDdm/?igshid=1uzfgpnk2e43n

 

[Corbin]

Yeah, Ramsey can definitely shut down a good half of the field. He proved it in Jacksonville; he'll prove it here. I'm especially excited to hear Staley say that Ramsey could line up against tight ends; that'll be helpful against Kittle.

I’d to watch him beat the hell out of Kittle and frustrate him. Other other guys could maintain the rest pretty well.

Pisses me off no damned off season!

 

[BonifayRam]

1 Player Each NFL Team Gave Up on Too Soon
View: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2899024-the-1-player-each-nfl-team-gave-up-on-too-soon
Jacksonville Jaguars: CB Jalen Ramsey

Players are often moved because they are considered distractions.

Case in point, the Jacksonville Jaguars traded standout cornerback Jalen Ramsey to the Los Angeles Rams for a pair of first-round picks and a fourth-round selection. The move came after Ramsey had a sideline altercation with head coach Doug Marrone, which prompted a trade request.

"Some disrespectful things were said on their end that made me definitely walk out and call my agent as soon as I walked out, and I told him, I said: 'It's time; my time is up here in Jacksonville. I want to ask for a trade,'" Ramsey said, per ESPN's Adam Schefter.

According to Schefter, the Jaguars didn't want to trade the three-time Pro Bowl defensive back. Two months after the organization did so, owner Shad Khan fired executive vice president of football operations Tom Coughlin.

 

[CGI_Ram]

What makes Ramsey unique... he’s really the only guy we got where you can scheme another player on the other team out of the game.

Put Ramsey on ____WR, and that player is pretty much out of the game.

I am exaggerating, but you get the point.