Great Read on Greg Robinson's Technique

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He definitely did retweet it which is a good thing if it means he read it.

I think he needs to spend some time in the off season with LeCharles Bentley who wrote this article and runs an o line training centre as far as I'm aware (at least he used to)
Read the last sentence in the article posted.

"There needs to be more attention to detail in his understanding of how his body is supposed to work as an elite offensive lineman and to how it is prepared to perform at an elite level."

Even Bentley understands its all on Robinson

Also this reads like a big advertisement for that camp he is going to run. Good marketing to say the least
 

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Great/fun read. Good to see his technique broken down as well as it was. Also, Coach... Thanks for the additional info. I get a kick out of this type of stuff.
 

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Even Bentley understands its all on Robinson

Also this reads like a big advertisement for that camp he is going to run. Good marketing to say the least

For those that did not see it, LACHAMP46 posted Bentley's assessment of Grob on Tuesday in the "This one position change changes Everything" post. For those interested in more info on Bently and what he has been doing with O Lineman for the past several years check out this article from ESPN @
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...ey-academy-offensive-linemen-paying-dividends.

I would only hope he would be willing to train Grob.

The entire article is below, but here is the money quote (to me):


"Bentley brings a unique combination. He understands what it takes to play at a Pro Bowl level in the NFL, and he understands the mechanics of training and nutrition. He tries to take a holistic approach to helping players succeed. He is a certified strength-and-conditioning coach, certified sports nutritionist and certified strength therapist.

"Ninety percent of it came from my experience of dealing with my knee injury," Bentley said. "I was so hungry to get myself better that I had a guise into the world of performance.

"Many people didn't want to touch me. A lot of folks didn't want to deal with it. It was such an awkward situation, considering the magnitude of the contract and the severity of the injury.

"A lot of my recovery was left to my own devices. I had to get better on my own or sit back and forget about football."
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Terrell Suggs spent his offseason outside Phoenix, working at a gym with his private trainer.

As Suggs put in his time, another group of players worked near him. Suggs noticed they were all offensive linemen, as he said, "getting after it."

"I didn't agree with it," the Baltimore Ravens pass-rusher said recently. "I don't agree with offensive linemen getting better."

That group was the membership of a unique but growing fraternity in the NFL. They are the guys who take part in LB O-Line Performance, a year-round program tailored specifically to offensive linemen and run by former NFL lineman LeCharles Bentley, a two-time Pro Bowler.

Suggs said he would wander over to the linemen as they worked to try to discourage them. He left shaking his head at what he saw.

Joe Thomasor Walter Jones, but he aims to bring out the very best in each player, and do it through work, nutrition and a healthy lifestyle.

It might sound somewhat obvious, but the results are there. Chance Warmack was the 10th pick in the 2013 draft, but he came to Bentley to get better after his rookie season. Colorado State's Weston Richburg may be the first center taken this year. Geoff Schwartz and Shawn Lauvaowent from being undervalued players to landing free-agent contracts worth approximately a combined $34 million this offseason.

"It's been nothing but beneficial for me," Richburg said.

"LB, bar none, for offensive linemen is the best guy out there," Lauvao said.

Schwartz joined Bentley's academy one year ago after two injury-filled seasons.

"This last year was the best year I've ever had," he said. "I'm much stronger, and normally my elbows really hurt from 'punching.' I didn't have any elbow pain all last year. There's no doubt he's the reason I've got this contract [four years, $16.8 million with the New York Giants]. It's not even the weightlifting part of it. It's the whole lifestyle program."

The staph infection that cost Bentley his dream of playing for his hometown Cleveland Browns -- he signed a six-year, $36 million contract with $12.5 million guaranteed but never played in a game for the Browns -- led him to study recovery, the body and performance, which in turn led to him to traveling throughout the United States and Europe to gain knowledge, then to opening the O-Line academy in a suburb west of Cleveland.

He moved it to Scottsdale, Arizona, in November 2013 and, recently, to a 20,000-square-foot facility in Chandler, Arizona, with Nike as a primary corporate sponsor.


Bentley brings a unique combination. He understands what it takes to play at a Pro Bowl level in the NFL, and he understands the mechanics of training and nutrition. He tries to take a holistic approach to helping players succeed. He is a certified strength-and-conditioning coach, certified sports nutritionist and certified strength therapist.

"Ninety percent of it came from my experience of dealing with my knee injury," Bentley said. "I was so hungry to get myself better that I had a guise into the world of performance.

"Many people didn't want to touch me. A lot of folks didn't want to deal with it. It was such an awkward situation, considering the magnitude of the contract and the severity of the injury.

"A lot of my recovery was left to my own devices. I had to get better on my own or sit back and forget about football."

Bentley grew up in inner-city Cleveland and played successfully at Ohio State. He spent four seasons with the New Orleans Saints before signing with the Browns in March 2006. At 26, he should have been entering his prime years.

But on the first play of the first team drill of the first day of his first training camp with Cleveland, Bentley stepped and collapsed, his left knee mangled. He had torn his patellar tendon.

He had surgery to repair the tendon but developed a staph infection that ate away at the repaired tissue. More surgery was needed, more antibiotic flushes. At one point, the extreme was presented to him -- that he might lose his left leg.

Bentley persevered, but when he announced a scholarship in his mother's name at his alma mater (St. Ignatius High School) the following spring, he met the media and could barely stand for 10 minutes to talk without becoming sweaty and shaky. When the interview ended, he sat back down, an intravenous line still in his arm to feed antibiotics to fight the staph.


Bentley tried to come back but eventually asked for his release. He could write volumes about his time with the Browns, but a settlement that followed his lawsuit against the team keeps him from discussing what he went through, and he says he doesn't want to. He's turned the page and happy about it.

"I'm not getting into all that," Bentley said. "There was no connection with the team, and that was OK at the time. It allowed me to grow and develop into what I am today."

His attention turned to life after football. He tried working in media as a pointed and direct radio talk-show host -- perhaps too pointed for some. All along, he pursued the idea of training offensive linemen, and in 2008 he opened a 6,500-square foot facility in a strip mall in Avon, Ohio. He dubbed it the first of its kind dedicated solely to developing offensive linemen year-round, with training and offseason and in-season video work and scouting.

"It was a wide-open niche, a wide-open market," he said. "I knew it needed to be filled. As I was leaving the game, I saw how the game itself was changing. Defensive players were becoming bigger, faster and stronger. Offensive linemen were becoming faster, but not necessarily stronger or more skilled. You might say they were getting fatter."

His training is focused on developing specific muscle groups. Bentley said he watched as positions on the offensive line went from being ones that included players who could pull, trap and move to a group of heavy guys who would muck and mash.

Defensive players, meanwhile, became more and more athletic, quick and sculpted.

"I remember lining up and looking across the line and seeing Julius Peppers," Bentley said. "His uniform was painted on. I would think, 'I'm supposed to block that guy?'"

That attitude drives his training. He sees players train for combines and tests, but he realizes they don't train for playing offensive line. "Offensive line is the last position anyone really cares about until you have to care about it," he said.

One of his first "projects" was San Francisco 49ers guard Alex Boone, a talented player from Ohio State who candidly admits he was drinking himself out of the league.

"He was downtrodden," Bentley said.

The two had a heart-to-heart, and Bentley told Boone he had to re-establish himself, that he would help him step by step, but that Boone had to commit. After spending 2009 on San Francisco's practice squad, Boone followed Bentley's plan: Be a backup for a year, start, then make the Pro Bowl (he was an alternate last season, though many thought he deserved to be in Hawaii).

Larry Warford (the Pro Football Focus Rookie of the Year), Warmack, Lane Johnson, Jeff Allen, Boone, Schwartz and Donald Stephenson.

Bentley also finds and trains a select number of draftable players, and this offseason he is concentrating on centers.

Bentley does no advertising, often finding players through referrals. If a player reaches out to him on his own, the player goes through a lengthy interview and film study with Bentley to see if he should join. Bentley doesn't accept everyone, but he has high expectations -- and demands -- when he takes someone.

"I'm not looking for volume; I'm looking for quality," he said. "I tell the guys all the time: They don't produce a lot of Rolls Royces, but they make a whole lot of Toyotas every year."

Players come to the academy after the season and stay until organized team activities begin with their respective squads. They return after the last minicamp and stay through training camp. The commitment is strong -- Bentley says "buy-in" is vital -- with the entire emphasis on body composition, to "create as much muscle mass as possible while losing as much fat as possible."

Bentley doesn't want to give away too many secrets, but among the position-specific workouts is one described by Richburg and Schwartz in which individual players pushed a Ford F-150 truck with Bentley driving and occasionally tapping the brake.

The point was to develop hip explosion, which is vital for linemen.

"Everything you do is with a purpose," Schwartz said. "Hip explosion. The punch. Working on the core."

Bentley has had players flip tractor tires to strengthen the lower back and drag tires chained around their waists while in a crouched position.

He also feeds his players, usually several small meals per day. All are nutritionally sound, designed to fuel the engine and make it run more efficiently.

"Every guy's is different," Richburg said. "If one guy needs to eat more than somebody else, they do. He changes up diets due to different body composition. If you need more carbs, he'll feed you more. If you need none, you'll be on a no-carb diet."

Said Bentley: "It's beyond what you eat, though. It's healthier eating and living. It's how you sleep, your after-hour activities, how you recover."

Bentley does not have a set arrival time for his charges. Instead, he'll text a player the night before with his time, which could be 6 a.m., or it could be 10. If a player arrives late, he doesn't work out.

"You don't show up at your facility 15 minutes late or call your position coach and say you're running late," Bentley said.

If it happens too often, the player is sent on his way.

"It's learning what it is to be a pro," Lauvao said, "instead of just looking at it."

Players say they notice a difference, quickly.

"Definitely," Schwartz said. "I have a much stronger core base."
 

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I remember stating earlier this year that Greg Robinson would make a lot of progress this year and be a stud left tackle. I was wrong. Hopefully he starts to mature a little bit and try and learn the techniques that coaches and players are showing him. Aside from that, people have been saying for months that Battle has all the tools necessary to be a great left tackle. Should be an interesting training camp next year. And this o-line, with all the young guys drafted recently, should eventually become a force in the future. One can only hope.

As much as anything else, we've got to get some luck going our way on the injury front. Every freakin' year it seems like we are getting killed on the OL and can never develop any continuity. One of the things that really helped in '99 was that our 5 OLinemen made a cumulative total of 79 starts out of a possible 80. No continuity issues there whatsoever.
 

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For all the flack Boudreau gets in this forum, there isn't a coach on this team who is more detail oriented. He is constantly coaching these guys on technique. Be it hand placement, footwork or just correcting "who" they are supposed to block on any given play. So yes, they coach these guys on technique and fundamentals constantly.

From what I've been told, the issue is work ethic. Greg Robinson has never had to learn how to be better because he has always been so physically better than those he lined up agaist, that the "mental side" of his game was unnecessary. He played in a system at auburn that had four running plays and one protection in pass pro.

Getting him in the film room and actually retaining the things they ask of him have been the biggest challenges.

I was told just the other day that there were at least three separate instances in the Cardinals game where he failed to recognize a blitz that came from the outside. After it was specifically made a point of emphasis during the week in both the film room and on the practice field. All three plays resulted in Foles running for his life and throwing the ball away.

The technique issues he has are more from not knowing what he is supposed to do on any given play which causes him to either hesitate at the snap or in the case of not recognizing the blitz, taking a false step inside and not being able to recover in time to handle HIS assignment.

Now with all that being said, I feel the need to say that we as fans tend to focus on individuals and how we think they are performing. Of all the units on any football team, the OLINE is all about cohesion. It's not as much about the individuals as it is the sum of the parts. And with all the injuries there just isn't going to be much cohesion and consistency. Robinson has lined up next to FIVE different guys who have taken their turn at LG in 12 weeks. That is bound to be an issue for a guy who is still trying to figure it out.

Thanks for the correction - glad to hear that about Boudreau.
 

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Thanks for the correction - glad to hear that about Boudreau.
I think I general the Robinson selection is an example of the overall draft philosophy of this regime. They have shown a propensity to draft athleticism over football "IQ". And by that I am in no way implying these kids are not smart. But there have been examples of "developmental" guys who have all the athleticism in the world, but lack the football acumen coming out of college.

Robinson, Rhaney, Quick, Ogletree, Pead, Austin, Cook, even to some extent Quinn all have shown to be great athletes, but all have taken time to "get it" in terms of understanding scheme and how to play the pro game. Just a few examples that come to mind. Then add the likes of Jenkins, Armstrong (UDFA) and you can see the type of player they have tended to bring in.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with it, but when you're in the midst of a decade long stretch of putrid football this organization is experiencing, it can only add to the frustration level of the fanbase when it takes these players this long to figure it out.

All the coaching in the world can only do so much. The players have to be "coachable" in order for them to do any good.
 

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And many if not all of the current staff may pay for this drafting philosophy with their jobs. It is very rare for a coach to get away with having a ten year plan in today's NFL.
 

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If he goes to LB, I think we'll see a big change. He should be BEGGING to get in and Boudreaux should be packing his bags and on the conference call to beg with him...
 

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I think I general the Robinson selection is an example of the overall draft philosophy of this regime. They have shown a propensity to draft athleticism over football "IQ". And by that I am in no way implying these kids are not smart. But there have been examples of "developmental" guys who have all the athleticism in the world, but lack the football acumen coming out of college.

Robinson, Rhaney, Quick, Ogletree, Pead, Austin, Cook, even to some extent Quinn all have shown to be great athletes, but all have taken time to "get it" in terms of understanding scheme and how to play the pro game. Just a few examples that come to mind. Then add the likes of Jenkins, Armstrong (UDFA) and you can see the type of player they have tended to bring in.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with it, but when you're in the midst of a decade long stretch of putrid football this organization is experiencing, it can only add to the frustration level of the fanbase when it takes these players this long to figure it out.

All the coaching in the world can only do so much. The players have to be "coachable" in order for them to do any good.


I always worry about this. Guys develop habits and tendencies and sometimes they are hard/impossible to break later. Not saying it is effort or drive, but more of learned approach when guys have been able to live just off the athleticism and never really had to learn technique or studying. That sort of change not only tests them mentally (as you said not question of intelligence but more of habit) but a bit emotionally and takes them away from a comfort zone or bubble they have always had....