Does Martz still have the coaching bug? Just saw this…

[rambone]

http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2015/01/oregon_ducks_erick_dargan_troy.html

Oregon Ducks Erick Dargan, Troy Hill to take part in all-star game Jan. 17

January 08, 2015 at 11:35 AM, updated January 08, 2015 at 11:43 AM

DALLAS — Win or lose after Monday's College Football Playoff National Championship, Oregon defensive backs Erick Dargan and Troy Hill will have another game to prepare for.
Five days after Monday's title game in Arlington, Texas, the pair of Oregon seniors will play Jan. 17 in the 2015 NFLPA Collegiate Bowl, an all-star game for NFL draft-eligible seniors that is presented by the NFL Players Association. It will be held at the StubHub Center in Carson, Calif., the site of Oregon's Rose Bowl practices, and the 1 p.m. kickoff will be broadcast on ESPN2.
Hill and Dargan, each All-Pac-12 Second Team honorees this season, will play on Team American, which is coached by former Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren. Team National will be coached by former St. Louis Rams coach Mike Martz, the bowl announced.
The pair of Ducks join three teammates who previously accepted invitations to another postseason all-star game. Offensive tackle Jake Fisher and center Hroniss Grasu will each play in the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., on Jan. 24. Corner Ifo Ekpre-Olomu also accepted an invitation but won't be able to take part because of an injury to knee ligaments that he suffered in mid-December.

...mmmmm

 

[thirteen28]

I used to say this on the other board, and I'll repeat is here. Martz's best option would be to go to some pass happy, defense optional WAC team where airing it out is a way of life. Given his resume, he'd probably get a lot of good recruits, have one of the most exciting offenses in college football, and would likely produce a lot of future NFL WR's and QB's. I would think a lot of good recruits at those positions would give Martz's school a long look knowing what he's done.

 

[Corbin]

BRING HIM IN DAMNIT!

ok ok....

We don't have a line or QB... maybe we could find a QB but we don't have a O-line..

 

[LesBaker]

Martz without Warner and Faulk is whipped cream on a pile of shit.

And by the way he has proven that himself.

myworkhereisdone

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Martz without Warner and Faulk is whipped cream on a pile of crap.

And by the way he has proven that himself.

myworkhereisdone

Jon Kitna and Mike Furrey were nobody players before Martz. Sean Hill never was as good anywhere except with Martz. Martz and his offenseturned mediocre receivers into good receivers. It turned lousy QBs into good QBs. Who was Bulger without Martz? Sean McDonald and Kevin Curtis did nothing after leaving the Rams. He was good at teaching QBs and WRs.

The main trouble after he left was he was not the head coach. He is hard to get along with and he needs full control of the offense and personnel to do it his way.

Sure it is just fantasy hoping he comes to St. Louis, or any other team, because he does not play well with others.

 

[HE WITH HORNS]

I just discovered the ignore feature, that will come in handy.

 

[-X-]

Jon Kitna and Mike Furrey were nobody players before Martz. Sean Hill never was as good anywhere except with Martz

Jon Kitna actually had similar numbers with Seattle and Cincinnati with better TD/INT ratios. I don't know why people think he suddenly came alive under Martz. He wasn't necessarily a bad QB. Hill had just as much success with Linehan too. And yeah, Furrey had a good season under Martz, but my god ... dude got targeted almost 150 times that year. lol. He'd almost have to catch 98 of those. He's a good teacher and all, but like @LesBaker said, he needs the talent like any other coordinator out there. To his credit, his passing offenses were always ranked pretty high, but that's the only dimension he had. His rushing attacks, outside of his time with Faulk, were pretty awful.

 

[VegasRam]

Kinda like getting back with your ex - and then after awhile thinking, "now I remember why..."

 

[Merlin]

Detroit Lions 2005 offense: 254 points. (Olsen & Tollner, 28th scoring, 21st most points allowed, 5-11 record, Head Coach Jauron fired)
Detroit Lions 2006 offense: 305 points. (Martz first year, 21st scoring, 30th most points allowed and 3-13 record)
Detroit Lions 2007 offense: 346 points. (Martz second year, 16th scoring, worst defense in league and 7-9 record, Martz fired)
Detroit Lions 2008 offense: 268 points. (Colleto replaced Martz, 27th scoring, worst defense in league and 0-16 record, Head Coach Marinelli fired)

But all we heard about was criticism on Mad Mike and how they didn't run the ball during that time frame. To me the numbers tell a different story, particularly when you consider what they had on offense.

 

[Merlin]

SF in 2007: scored 209 points. (pre-Mad Mike, dead last in scoring)
SF in 2008: scored 339 points. (22nd scoring, Alex Smith did not play all year, Mad Mike fired after the season)

 

[Dr C. Hill]

It will never happen, but Martz really should be the play. He has forgotten more about the Coryell offense than "Shotty" ever knew.

Fisher likes to play neanderthal football. I doubt he will ever stray from his 1950's style ground and pound. The league may have changed a ton in the last 10 years, but Fisher hasn't. His record shows it. He is out of touch with modern football!

I am a homer, and I hope I am wrong, but I can't see anything good coming from a Fisher regime going forward. I think in his day he was average, but once Knute Rockne came along and invented the forward pass, his "scheme" was exposed as one dimensional. If Fisher let go of the reigns and allowed a guy like Martz to run the O, he might just be surprised. There is a whole other game over there on offense. You don't just throw draft picks at it, you utilize it. At least that is the way I see it. There is plenty of talent on this team.

 

[reggae]

Jon Kitna and Mike Furrey were nobody players before Martz. Sean Hill never was as good anywhere except with Martz. Martz and his offenseturned mediocre receivers into good receivers. It turned lousy QBs into good QBs. Who was Bulger without Martz? Sean McDonald and Kevin Curtis did nothing after leaving the Rams. He was good at teaching QBs and WRs.

The main trouble after he left was he was not the head coach. He is hard to get along with and he needs full control of the offense and personnel to do it his way.

Sure it is just fantasy hoping he comes to St. Louis, or any other team, because he does not play well with others.

Can you show me 1 quote of Bulger paying homage to Martz?

 

[MrMotes]

Detroit Lions 2005 offense: 254 points. (Olsen & Tollner, 28th scoring, 21st most points allowed, 5-11 record, Head Coach Jauron fired)
Detroit Lions 2006 offense: 305 points. (Martz first year, 21st scoring, 30th most points allowed and 3-13 record)
Detroit Lions 2007 offense: 346 points. (Martz second year, 16th scoring, worst defense in league and 7-9 record, Martz fired)
Detroit Lions 2008 offense: 268 points. (Colleto replaced Martz, 27th scoring, worst defense in league and 0-16 record, Head Coach Marinelli fired)

But all we heard about was criticism on Mad Mike and how they didn't run the ball during that time frame. To me the numbers tell a different story, particularly when you consider what they had on offense.

Martz's time in Detroit was particularly hilarious. The offense was pretty decent in 2007 and they won 7 games but they had the worst defense in the NFL. Problem was the DC was Marinelli's son in law.

In fact a reporter asked him, "On a light note, seriously, do you wish your daughter had married a better defensive coordinator?"

Anyway, Marinelli fired Martz, kept his son in law, went 0-16 and got run out of town...

 

[blue4]

Martz without Warner and Faulk is whipped cream on a pile of crap.

And by the way he has proven that himself.

myworkhereisdone

I don't think I've disagreed with a statement on ROD as much as this one.

 

[Ballhawk]

Just check the win/loss record of the Rams for the ten years before and after Martz. It was so bad that even Bettis took the bus and left town before Martz fixed our offense.
Of course the real reason for the tremendous improvement was the big O and the rest of the guys they brought in to fix the line.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I just discovered the ignore feature, that will come in handy.

I am not certain who this is directed at but posts like this are frowned upon here. Those comments are Ramstalk crap and a big reason this forum was created.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Can you show me 1 quote of Bulger paying homage to Martz?

So Marc is ungrateful for getting to replace a future Hall of Famer. What did Bulger have before or after Martz? One good season? Bulger was a 6th round QB going to Pro Bowls.





I can't believe that suddenly all of the credit for the early 2000s suddenly goes to Warner/Bulger, Holt, Bruce, and Faulk and people try to paint it as Martz sucks so bad that the Rams could have succeeded as well with some other OC. Martz was enormously responsible for the GSOT and He introduced concepts that other teams started to copy.

I agree he had great weapons integral to the success, but he loses a HOF type QB and plugs in a 6th rounder that was a backup and the success continued. He had passing success with backup types everywhere he went. I know he got to passing too much but that QBs had the option of audibling out of pass plays especially since his formations allowed for runs or passes on every play. Sure he is hardheaded and people struggle with that but to think he is not a very good offensive mind, and more imaginative than anything the Rams have had since he left is crazy talk.

I had no idea Martz was such a horrible OC. I guess Zygmunt was right all along.

 

[MrMotes]

Can you show me 1 quote of Bulger paying homage to Martz?

I can show you him rolling his eyes at Scott Linehan...

 

[Warner4Prez]

I guess it's just funny that we'll accuse Fisher of being hard headed for not changing his vision, when you can absolutely say the same thing about Martz. It seems pretty clear to me that by the time he'd been shown the door here, the rest of the NFL was figuring his game out, yet he'd refused to change his own methods.

The declining numbers speak for themselves. After leaving STL, his offenses were middling at best. He hit 16th in scoring while in Detroit and 17th in scoring in Chicago, and then he vanished. And I think trying to discredit the personnel around him cuts both ways. Sure the talent was lacking in his next stops...but we saw 4 HoF nominees from his time here, perhaps there's a middle ground?

 

[Merlin]

I guess it's just funny that we'll accuse Fisher of being hard headed for not changing his vision, when you can absolutely say the same thing about Martz. It seems pretty clear to me that by the time he'd been shown the door here, the rest of the NFL was figuring his game out, yet he'd refused to change his own methods.

The declining numbers speak for themselves. After leaving STL, his offenses were middling at best. He hit 16th in scoring while in Detroit and 17th in scoring in Chicago, and then he vanished. And I think trying to discredit the personnel around him cuts both ways. Sure the talent was lacking in his next stops...but we saw 4 HoF nominees from his time here, perhaps there's a middle ground?

Well we all know that Martz won't be the hire. I mean it is probably about the same likelihood as winning the powerball lottery tbh. For me it's just a diversion of sorts while I cross my fingers that Fish does take a look at someone who can boost the Rams passing game, because that is how you score in this league. I'm hoping he interviews both Chud and Callahan before he makes his decision especially if it's promoting from within.

Martz's biggest problem was his ego. He is incredibly intelligent and was an overnight genius with the Rams' offense and I think he struggled when he found himself on staffs with head coaches who were threatened by him. The fact that he's arrogant is something I would never argue. I maintain that his arrogance is why we lost that Super Bowl vs the Patriots along with Belichick being an effin cheater. But still, even with all his warts, what I like about him is I KNOW the guy has the knowledge and teaching ability to get the most from all the receiving talent that Fish and Snead have assembled.

If you get into Fish's head right now, I think he has two things he wants from his new coordinator. I believe he wants to have an offense that runs the ball well out of a 3 and 4 wideout formation, and that he wants to see return on their draft investment at WR and RB and FA return on Cook. Martz would give him that, so would Chud I think. Callahan would give him the power running game, as would either Shanahan most likely.

I can't wait to see what direction Fish goes. Can't imagine that he won't at least interview Chud, given his creativity and system fit.