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Disclaimer: Draft made mostly with PFF's draft mock simulator (coded the best by far) and it's Pre-Combine so obviously this changes a ton after combine and fuckery before the draft in round where prospects are drafted. I prefer to look at prospects and players with a sliding grading scale of performance rather than production versus undergunned teams.

I'd like to first point out:

A. The last couple of years I've been pretty good of guessing at least one draft prospect we've taken which is pretty good considering we haven't had first day and sometimes 2nd round picks.
B. When we moved from STL, it was obviously going to happen way before. No one listened. When we were going to get rid of Fisher very few at the time wouldn't consider it until it happened. Trading Goff? It was thick in the air and made a mock of it and many were upset and said there was no chance etc etc.

This year I have a very strong feeling we are going to move on from Ramsey and/or Donald. Obviously Ramsey is the more ideal candidate for a trade but AD I feel could be had for a decently valued price. I'd say the Steelers or New England would be good matches for an AD trade and the Raiders or Detroit for Ramsey since they've had the leagues worst passing defense for what 3 seasons now?

I smell change in the air again...


With that being said
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(stole some resigns and restructures from @jrry32 )

Restructure
WR Cooper Kupp

Re-sign
QB Baker Mayfield
DL Greg Gaines
DL A'Shawn Robinson
CB Troy Hill
K Matt Gay

All ERFAs
OL Ty Nsekhe
RS Brandon Powell
LS Matt Orzech

Estimated even on the cap in 2023 but in 2024 50 million plus free with the potential of cutting/trading Haventstein/Noteboom of 25 million extra

Trades
Jalen Ramsey to Detroit for picks 18,48,55,
Aaron Donald to New England for picks 14,46,76,107 and 2024 2nd Rd.
Bengals 14 for 28,60,131,165
NO 18 for 29,71
Rams 32 for Steelers 36,136,252
Rams 85 for Chargers 107,131,172,182,211


NFL Draft
(5th year option draft picks)
All I have to say is Imagine McVay having both Higbeast and Baby Gronk aka Mayer together? He's been trying to find a cheap version of a dual dominating TE for a while since he became our head coach.


Round 1 Pick #28 - Michael Mayer TE Notre Dame

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7H9WNTug7w


Where he wins: Physicality


Mayer’s entire game stems from being the aggressor. Whether it’s his work as a blocker, the subtle shove to get away from coverage or an ill-intentioned stiff arm in the open field — Mayer is going to take the fight to defenders.

What’s his role: Inline tight end

If you want a tight end who can go head-to-head with defensive ends in the run game while being an option route savant over the middle of the field, Mayer is your guy. That’s what he was put on this Earth to do.

What can he Improve: Speed

I know, I know: speed is not something that can usually improve. However, Mayer is very young for a top tight end prospect coming out and doesn’t have to be 265 pounds. There’s some excess weight there he could trim to add a little more dynamism to his game.

Round 1 Pick #29 - O'Cyrus Torrence G Florida

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wELcYVXpNtI


Where he wins: Easy power


Torrence makes moving people against their will look like child’s play. He can move defensive tackles off the line with his lower body or torque them out of the hole with his upper body.

What’s his role: Guard

There’s never been a more “guardy” guard prospect. Torrence was built in a lab to play guard.

What can he Improve: Very little

Physical limitations are the biggest thing holding Torrence back at this point. There’s not much else on tape that I’d call a glaring issue.

Round 2 Pick #32 - B.J. Ojulari EDGE LSU

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVwEkrTH5SM


Where he wins: Pass-rush plan


Ojulari has answers for almost everything an offensive tackle can throw at him. He already has a repertoire that’s well beyond his years.

What’s his role: 3-4 OLB/designated pass-rusher

Ojulari’s skill set is tailor-made to be a stand-up outside backer on the line. He can’t fill too many other roles.

What can he Improve: Play strength

There’s so much to like about Ojulari’s game at the moment, but it’s glaringly obvious on tape how much his moves need a little more “oomph” to them. In fairness, he at least flashes some speed-to-power. It’s not dissimilar a problem to his brother Azeez, who’s struggled to transition to the NFL because of it.

Round 2 Pick #46 - Luke Wypler C OSU

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vPsra0MepM


Where he wins: Leverage


Wypler understands line-of-scrimmage play. He’s so good at establishing and re-establishing leverage. His game is what you’d expect from a fifth- or sixth-year player.

What’s his role: Center

Wypler doesn’t have an ideal frame to move to guard. He’s going to be a center at the next level.

What can he Improve: Anchor

This isn’t too surprising considering he’s a third-year player declaring early. One can expect this to improve in the coming years, but it’ll likely still be an issue early on in his NFL career.

Round 2 Pick #48 - Garrett Williams CB Syracuse


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwHa6zEPzNI


Where he wins: Feet


Williams can really pick ’em up and put ’em down. He can match a receiver’s every move with relative ease — a great starting point for a corner.

What’s his role: Outside corner

He’s played enough off-zone in his career to get by, but he’ll really shine in man coverage. Teams that play a lot of off-man should be coveting Williams’ services.

What can he Improve: Mentality

Williams could use a little dog in him. Tools-wise, he’s not all that dissimilar to PFF’s CB1 Devon Witherspoon, but he is on opposite ends of the spectrum playstyle-wise.

Round 2 Pick #55 - Sydney Brown S Illinois


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sexlE6MfL4E


Where he wins: Athleticism


Brown is smooth and explosive in the open field. He has range on the back end and the hips to track receivers in man coverage.

What’s his role: Versatile safety

Brown’s tackling and take-on skills would probably make him a better fit as a deep safety in single- or two-high shells, but he’s good enough in coverage if you want to drop him down closer to the line of scrimmage in man.

What can he Improve: Tackling

This one is obvious.

Round 2 Pick #61 - Eli Ricks CB Alabama


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwfC20LTYy4


Where he wins: Length


Ricks’ long arms and long strides make him one of the tougher cornerbacks in college football to beat deep despite average speed. He well understands how to use contact to stick with receivers.

What’s his role: Press cornerback

Don’t overthink this one. More than half of Ricks’ college snaps came in press. And he was spectacular on them. He allowed nine catches on 34 targets for 171 yards on 347 press snaps in his career.

What can he Improve: Pay strength

To keep his same playstyle at the next level, Ricks needs to add serious mass to his frame. There aren’t any 6-foot-2, 190-pound cornerbacks who consistently impose their will on NFL receivers

Round 3 Pick #69 - B.J. Keanuu Benton DT Wisconsin


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ityy7J67uEs


Where he wins: Hands


Benton’s hands are strong and violent. His wins on tape come almost exclusively from a strong shock to an offensive lineman’s shoulder pads.

What’s his role: Versatile DT

Benton has split his time almost evenly between the A- (698 snaps) and B-gap (612) over the course of his career. He can easily fill the same role in the NFL.

What can he Improve: Hand placement

When Benton plays with tight hands and low pad level, it’s a sight to behold. However, those reps are too few and far between for the big fella.

Round 3 Pick #71 - Darnell Wright RT Tenn


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwO3qlvSyPg


Where he wins: Power


Few tackles in college football were more awe-inspiring when they engaged in the run game. He overpowered defenders everywhere he lined up across from.

What’s his role: Right tackle/guard/gap scheme

Wright’s skill set is traditionally placed on the right side, although that’s fairly antiquated thinking. It also wouldn’t be a surprise if some wanted him to move inside.

What can he Improve: Playing on balance

Wright can get a little out over his toes and leave himself exposed to getting knocked off balance when he does catch defenders cleanly. He’ll end up on the ground a lot more doing that in the NFL.

Round 3 Pick #76 - Jaelyn Duncan LT Maryland


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWp3t6Gx9lc



2/11/23: Duncan has a good skill set and improved throughout his college career. For the NFL, he looks like he has starting left tackle potential. Duncan is quick out of his stance and does a nice job of moving his feet to glide with edge rushers. To maintain proper leverage, Duncan bends at the knee and shows the agility to move. Duncan could stand to improve his hand placement, but he has starting skill set of size, athleticism and strength. Duncan had some issues against Ohio State late in the 2022 season, illustrating that he is raw and needs some development, but Duncan is talented with the physical skills to be a starter. At the Senior Bowl, Duncan was uneven in his performance, but he displayed he has a good skill set to work with.

6/27/22: Duncan has been solid for Maryland and received a quality grade from NFL advance scouts. Duncan is a team leader and captain with good size and athleticism. If Duncan does well against top opponents, he could be a riser. Duncan broke into the starting lineup as a redshirt freshman in 2019 and has been a mainstay at left tackle for the Terrapins.

Round 3 Pick #85 - Keandre Miller RB TCU


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ6SYpjTAZM&t=28s


Where he wins: Flexibility

Miller runs like a world-class slalom skier. He makes it look so easy when he bounces left and right without losing any speed.

What’s his role: Bell cow

Miller has the size, speed and burst to handle a full workload in the league. He did just that for TCU last season.

What can he Improve: Short yardage

Miller still could stand to lower a shoulder and take what is available a little more often. He can get antsy searching for holes even when there’s none to be found.

Round 5 Pick #165 - Luke Shoonmaker TE Michigan


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeUPIPVb9jM


Round 6 Pick #189 - Thomas Incoom Edge Central Michigan


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOqzfW2GGWI


Round 6 Pick #191 - Michael Turk P Oklahoma aka punting GOAT (Matt Turks nephew)


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKL2j2iNYr0


Round 7 Pick #222 - Jaren Hall QB BYU



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-ODefWo0jM



Projected Starters
QB: Matthew Stafford
HB: Keandre Miller
WR: Cooper Kupp
WR: Allen Robinson
WR: Van Jefferson
TE: Tyler Higbee
LT: Joe Noteboom (until he gets injured)
LG: O' Cyrus Torrence
C: Luke Wypler
RG: Alaric Jackson
RT: Rob Havenstein

DE: Greg Gaines
NT: A'Shawn Robinson
DE: Keanuu Brown
OLB: Leonard Floyd
ILB: Bobby Wagner
ILB: Ernest Jones
OLB: BJ Ojulari
CB: Garrett Williams
CB: Troy Hill
CB: Eli Ricks
S: Sydney Brown
S: Jordan Fuller

K: Matt Gay
P: Michael Turk
LS: Matt Orzech
RS: Brandon Powell
 

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Trading Ramsey & Donald, I think I'm going to pay someone to waterboard me until I forget I read that idea

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Corbin:

McVay, Donald, and Stafford, among others view 2022 as a mulligan and weren’t gonna go out that way. Now that they ARE coming back, trading both defensive stars doesn’t make sense.
However, IF you were gonna trade Donald and Ramsey…

1) THIS year would net the best return because it’s easy for another team to also give a pass for 2022. Their trade values would not be near so high next year.
2) Just how much longer do you think Donald is gonna play, especially if there is no realistic shot at a ring? I see him playing 2 more years and then who knows? What is a GM willing to give up for that? I just can’t see the cheatriots giving up those picks for him—basically this year’s draft.
3) What did the Rams give up for Ramsey a few seasons ago? Looks almost like your turning a profit! No, I’m not giving up a first rounder for him NOW, if I’m a GM. Are you willing to to take, say, a 2nd and a 4th for Ramsey?

Don’t get me wrong, I like what you did in your draft. I’m just trying to be realistic in what other teams are willing to pony up for Donald and Ramsey—upon which your plan is dependent.
 

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McVay, Donald, and Stafford, among others view 2022 as a mulligan and weren’t gonna go out that way. Now that they ARE coming back, trading both defensive stars doesn’t make sense.
However, IF you were gonna trade Donald and Ramsey…

1) THIS year would net the best return because it’s easy for another team to also give a pass for 2022. Their trade values would not be near so high next year.
2) Not sure how much longer do you think Donald is gonna play, especially if there is no realistic shot at a ring? I see him playing 2 more years and then who knows? What is a GM willing to give up for that?
3) Looks like you’re trying to turn a profit on Ramsey. No way I’m giving up a 1rst for him. Would you take a 2nd and a 4th?

Don’t get me wrong, I like your draft. It’s just that I don’t see you getting that kind of a haul for those guys and that’s the premise upon which your plan is built.
 

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When did Corbin become @Memento?

Ironically enough, I was planning to write a mock where we traded AD and Ramsey (to the Steelers and Lions respectively). I decided not to; I'm kinda busy with other things. It's why I'm probably not going to write a mock draft until after the Combine.

If you're curious as to what I'm doing, it's mainly boccia tournaments. exercising, writing more of my stories than ever before, and writing a Pokemon fanfic that I'm insisting on getting finished, with a regular Tuesday schedule (and I never write things on a schedule.)
 

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But yeah, as for the draft, I love Thomas Incoom as a prospect. He's so underrated. Reminds me of a more athletic Ebukam. Mayer will go earlier than #29; he's the best tight end in this draft, and unlike Gronkowski when he came out, he has no health concerns.

I think you addressed the draft concerns well, but I'm not sure how Torrence and Wright fit into our ZBS.
 

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Trading Ramsey & Donald, I think I'm going to pay someone to waterboard me until I forget I read that idea

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If we trade Ramsey and Donald, I’m checking out for the season.
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Well, then…take me to the magic of the moment, on a glory night, where the children of tomorrow dream away…
The only magical place I'm going take you to is the Land of Oz so you can be free with your people.
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The munchkins were Jewish?

(If not, I’m not sure how they’d be my people.)

Also…I guess you’re not a fan of the Scorpions. :thinking:
 
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@Corbin your draft is good, real good, you did a hell of a job!

Thank you my good sir, although when I made it I realize the chances of trading both Donald and Ramsey were slim I did us moving on at least one of them, Ramsey obviously being the prime forerunner. With recent events of Wagner being released it's apparent the direction we are going and we NEED adn influx of young cheap talent for at least the next 2 years.
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Ironically enough, I was planning to write a mock where we traded AD and Ramsey (to the Steelers and Lions respectively). I decided not to; I'm kinda busy with other things. It's why I'm probably not going to write a mock draft until after the Combine.

If you're curious as to what I'm doing, it's mainly boccia tournaments. exercising, writing more of my stories than ever before, and writing a Pokemon fanfic that I'm insisting on getting finished, with a regular Tuesday schedule (and I never write things on a schedule.)
I remember when you posted about that and I think we talked about it briefly somewhere. That thought has stuck in my head especially with non committal interviews I've seen with our FO which led to believe we are going to be making some big moves.

Curious to see how this combine shakes up things, I think it's wiser if we get ( or try to get) as many 2nd-4th round picks as we can get, it's loaded in that area and for cheap talent to!
But yeah, as for the draft, I love Thomas Incoom as a prospect. He's so underrated. Reminds me of a more athletic Ebukam. Mayer will go earlier than #29; he's the best tight end in this draft, and unlike Gronkowski when he came out, he has no health concerns.

I think you addressed the draft concerns well, but I'm not sure how Torrence and Wright fit into our ZBS.
Right? Incoom is so under the radar I hope he doesn't stun in the combine so he can slip to us. I was debating between Mayer and Dalton Kinkaid at #29 and I'd fucking love either one of them to pair with Higbee under McVay! :love: It's just in that particular mock Myer slipped down so had to jump on it! lol But obviously Kinkaid or Musgrave would be more likely at that point.

As i've noticed in the last few years of lower draft picks or especially UDFA pickups alot of them in their draft profiles have them as a non ZBS candidate but we pick them up any coaching them up and plug them in. If anything Torrence has the athleticism and fotball IQ to adapt and I feel Duncan has that potential as well.

My question is who the hell is going to coach the OL? Did I miss our OL hire? This is what worries me most right now as far as coaches goes.
 

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Corbin:

McVay, Donald, and Stafford, among others view 2022 as a mulligan and weren’t gonna go out that way. Now that they ARE coming back, trading both defensive stars doesn’t make sense.
However, IF you were gonna trade Donald and Ramsey…

1) THIS year would net the best return because it’s easy for another team to also give a pass for 2022. Their trade values would not be near so high next year.
2) Just how much longer do you think Donald is gonna play, especially if there is no realistic shot at a ring? I see him playing 2 more years and then who knows? What is a GM willing to give up for that? I just can’t see the cheatriots giving up those picks for him—basically this year’s draft.
3) What did the Rams give up for Ramsey a few seasons ago? Looks almost like your turning a profit! No, I’m not giving up a first rounder for him NOW, if I’m a GM. Are you willing to to take, say, a 2nd and a 4th for Ramsey?

Don’t get me wrong, I like what you did in your draft. I’m just trying to be realistic in what other teams are willing to pony up for Donald and Ramsey—upon which your plan is dependent.

Todd,

IMO the FO opinions are what matter here and since I made this mock their views have been clear as they weren't to many before hand. We need to trim down our payroll and get this back under control. Releasing Wagner and letting trade rumors of Ramsey leak is definitely some strong signs as to which way we are going to head.

1. Ramsey and AD both graded out very well in multiple areas and lets be honest AD was sit down as a result to our hopeless plight of a season.

2. Donald was going to retire last year as he has said himself and see only 2 more years for him. Now, if not any other time is the time to get some sort of value of him while he still has great value. The Steelers as I stated would also be another high chance to trade him as the have the picks, cap, and team for it to push for a NFC North title and a hell of a run in the playoffs with AD and TJ Watt on that line.

3. If you look at the Trade Value chart for what we gave for Rams 2 1sts and a 4th and in this scenario we get a 1st and 2 seconds how are we netting a profit? The Lions have a connection with our FO, have had the leagues worst (or near the worst Defensive backfield) in the last 3-4 years, have the cap space and the picks, and need to make a statement year under Campbell. They fit every facet on the trade cube?

This is a realistic draft in regards to trade value, obviously there is a big discrepancy with market supply and demand and available teams with needs after FA.
 

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The munchkins were Jewish?

(If not, I’m not sure how they’d be my people.)

Also…I guess you’re not a fan of the Scorpions. :thinking:
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Short, arrogant, and from a distant time.

Also, nice race baiting try.

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Dude, you need to either get over whatever grudge you’re carrying (still don’t know where this originated), or, at least, get some new material. The short (I’m 5’7, for the record), jokes/insults are just pathetic and make you look weak and petty.

Oh…and your mock has way too many trades. :sunglasses:
 

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Dude, you need to either get over whatever grudge you’re carrying (still don’t know where this originated), or, at least, get some new material. The short (I’m 5’7, for the record), jokes/insults are just pathetic and make you look weak and petty.

Oh…and your mock has way too many trades. :sunglasses:
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You’re so cute when you play ignorant and angry.