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Cardinals may already be detaching from Fitzgerald

Discussion in 'RAMS - NFL TALK' started by PhxRam, Aug 14, 2014.

  1. PhxRam The Estimated Prophet

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    With a revised contract that dropped his 2014 cap number from $18 million to $9 million, Cardinals receiver Larry Fitzgerald ensured that he’d spend another year with the team. The corresponding increase in his 2015 cap number to $23.6 million could make the coming season Fitzgerald’s last season in Arizona.

    At the Scouting Combine, Cardinals G.M. Steve Keim admitted that, to an outsider, it may appear that Fitzgerald won’t retire with the Cardinals. For his part, Fitzgerald has said that he’s focused only on 2014.

    The Cardinals can’t afford to focus only on 2014. They have a team to run indefinitely into the future, and they need to be thinking about next year even before the current year starts.

    In that vein, the Cardinals seem to be already detaching from Fitzgerald, based on a report from veteran NFL writer Dan Pompei. Based on his visit to camp, Pompei notes that “Michael Floyd is in for a big year,” and that “ome people in camp think he’ll be their No. 1 [receiver].”

    While that may indeed be a testament to Floyd, the opinion can’t be expressed or considered without acknowledging Fitzgerald and his $23.6 million. Especially with Floyd having a cap number of only $2.7 million in 2014 and $3.172 million in 2015.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/14/cardinals-may-already-be-detaching-from-fitzgerald/
     
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  2. Mojo Ram On double secret probation

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    They're built to WIN NOW...so if that doesn't happen this season(or maybe next season) i don't believe Fitz will be in AZ anymore.

    BTW, i like that SF and AZ are built to win now, and Seattle already won theirs so they had to take their FA losses. SF and AZ are getting old quick. We're really the only team in the division(besides maybe Seattle) that is set up to win with longevity IMO.
     
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  3. flv 

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    He was due $16M this year. There was some speculation the Cardinals wouldn't keep him at that figure. Supposedly the Patriots were interested but they've since spent the money elsewhere. He's due $19.25M next year. He's very unlikely to stay at that price but the Cardinals would like to keep him at a market value figure.
     
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  4. DaveFan'51 Well-Known Member

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    Do you, or anyone, know what the 'Cap hit' is for AZ. if the cut or trade him this year or in 2015?
     
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  5. flv 

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    He has a $3M option bonus for 2014 and 2015 listed on Spotrac that I can't account for. It looks like a cap hit figure from a previous prorated bonus rather than money due but as a default I include as money due until i'm sure it isn't.
    I'll dig a little deeper.
     
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  6. ChrisW Well-Known Member

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    Looks like 21mil in dead money this year, and just over 7 mil in dead money next year if he's cut.
     
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  7. Warner4Prez Mɥɐʇ┴ɥǝHǝll¿

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    Yeah, they'll definitely have to blow that mess up next year. The defense will have a gaping hole in the middle (hehe) now that Dansby and Washington are done for. Dockett is old, Mathieu is rehabbing off a terrible knee injury, and I don't know that the offense can overcome all of that. I know there's a lot of buzz about Andre Ellington, but he's far from proven.

    I can see a 2015 Arizona team without Campbell, Fitz and Dockett and with Logan Thomas under center.
     
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  8. Mojo Ram On double secret probation

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    I'm sold on Ellington, but if they try to make him a Gore/Lynch type they're gonna ruin him...and there's no one proven behind him depth-wise.
    Don't forget that their best pass rusher is 36 and has been in alcohol rehab the last few weeks. I don't know how to link tweets but this from Cardinal insider:
    Abraham has now rejoined the team at camp.
    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...hn-abraham-reports-to-cardinals-training-camp
     
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    Totally forgot they had the ancient John Abraham.
    Poor bastard shoulda hung it up after Hotlanta.
     
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  10. Mojo Ram On double secret probation

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    He had 11.5 sacks last season. Pretty good actually, but yeah, he could tail off very quickly and they didn't draft any pass rushers.
     
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  11. flv 

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    Rotoworld and Overthecap indicate the 2 $3M figures are prorated cap figures rather than bonuses. Spotrac suggests he was due $15M in 2012 but since only $3M appears in the 2012 cap figure that would account for the pro-rating. However their prorated figures only account for $12M from the $15M bonus quoted, (although de-escalators are mentioned).

    If so my original post figures are out by $3M for each year. If so, and assuming he has $3M prorated cap hits for 2014 and 2015, (but not 2016) :confused: this is the situation........................................

    The Cardinals trade him before the 2014 season: The new team would owe him $1M this year. The Cardinals cap figure would be reduced by $1M, (from $8.6M to $7.6M) this year, but he would count as $14.4M against the Cardinals cap in 2015.

    The Cardinals keep him for 2014 but cut or trade him before the 5th day of the 2015 season: He'll count as $8.6M against the Cardinals in 2014 and $14.4M in 2015. (More sensible than the 1st option).

    The Cardinals keep him for 2014, pay him an $8M bonus on the 5th day of the new season, then cut him before June 1st 2015: He'll count as $8.6M in 2014 and $22.4M in 2015. (Idiotic but....who knows).

    The Cardinals keep him for 2014, pay him an $8M bonus on the 5th day of the new season, then cut him after June 1st but before the 1st week of the regular season in 2015: He'll count as $8.6M in 2014, $15.6M in 2015, and $7.05M in 2016 assuming a $250K work-out bonus).

    The Cardinals keep him for 2014 and 2015 but cut or trade him before the 5th day of the 2016 season: He'll count as $8.6M in 2014, $23.6M in 2015, and $7.05M in 2016.

    Clear as mud! :unsure:
     
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  12. Cardncub Well-Known Member

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    Fitzgerald will retire a Cardinal. Fitz knows he is on the decline & is only getting older. He is one of the few players that "gets it". He will restructure next year guaranteed.
     
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  13. Cardncub Well-Known Member

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    Why in the world would Campbell be gone? He just signed a new contract last 2 years ago & is under contract until the end of 2016.
     
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    11.5 sacks last year.
     
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  15. CGI_Ram Hamburger Connoisseur

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    I can see him getting a Marshall Faulk like deal, just like the Rams did in 2005 when everyone knew he was done;

    In February, 2005, Faulk agreed to a restructured contract to reduce his contract cap number. He was scheduled to make about $7.5 million in 2005. In the new contract received a total of $6 million in the next two seasons and a $2 million signing bonus was included.[17]

    In Fitzgerald's case he's not done. But the club could try a soft exit similar to the above mentioned.
     
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  16. mr.stlouis Well-Known Member

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    Tell that to Seahawk fans. They got dynasty on their minds...
     
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