Building a Winner: How the Rams’ Blueprint Stacks Up With the Saints, Patriots and Chiefs

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Building a Winner: How the Rams’ Blueprint Stacks Up With the Saints, Patriots and Chiefs
By ALBERT BREER

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Les Snead was in the air without wifi when divisional-playoff Sunday kicked off last January. He was in a cab when word got to him that the Jaguars beat the Steelers. And try as he might to ignore football on his getaway to Hawaii—that was the whole point of the trip—he couldn’t help but notice a certain restlessness later that day in the restaurant he was in, or that it might have been a football game that caused it.

The Minneapolis Miracle had just gone down, and it was a matter of time before Snead heard more about it. Which prompted two reactions from the Rams GM.

First, he sent a text to Case Keenum, his old quarterback and the triggerman behind the Vikings’ breathtaking, last-gasp play to knock off the Saints and advance to the NFC Championship Game. Second, he vowed to not forget what being left out felt like, just a week after the Rams’ season ended with a wild-card loss to the Falcons at home.

And then he remembered Alabama coach Nick Saban having a saying plastered everywhere after the Tide lost the national title game in January 2017 to Deshaun Watson and Clemson: Don’t waste that feeling.

“Remember the disappointment,” Snead said from his office on Wednesday afternoon. “That helps. I’ve had it written across different things in my office. So it’s everything you do—it’s improving the roster, but it’s also improving this gadget, it’s improving how we do food, how we travel, all those things. It’s the minutiae of trying to get better on a Tuesday in March.

“When that no longer stings, read that line and say, ‘Know what? That did sting. And let’s do better than we did last year.’”

Snead swears now that the Rams’ explosion of aggressiveness during the 2017 offseason happened organically—moves driven in reaction to circumstances and opportunity. But he has no problem conceding that it was also an outgrowth of the loss at the Coliseum, the feeling it left, and that moment a week later in Hawaii.

This year he wasn’t in Hawaii for the divisional round. He was back in the Coliseum, watching his Rams run the Cowboys out of the building to advance to play a Saints team that suffered an even more painful ending last January.

And so as we take our annual look at the roster construction of the four conference finalists, this is a year when there are few big overarching trends in the construction of the teams (outside of significant investment in offensive and defensive linemen). But with each roster, there is a certain urgency with which they were put together, and nowhere is that true more than in Los Angeles.

But we’re starting with a project I began three years ago, and have carried over in the years since, with a look at how each of the final four teams is built. So here’s what the study showed.

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
Homegrown on 53: 25 (21 draftees/four college free agents)
Outside free agents on 53: 21
Trades/waivers on 53: Seven
Quarterback acquired: Drafted Patrick Mahomes 10th overall in 2017 (traded 27th and 91st overall picks, 2018 first-round pick for 10th overall pick).
Last five first-round picks: QB Patrick Mahomes (2017, 10); CB Marcus Peters (2015, 22); DE Dee Ford (2014, 23); OT Eric Fisher (2013, 1); DT Dontari Poe (2012, 11).
Top five cap figures: OLB Justin Houston $20.60 million; OT Eric Fisher $13.95 million; S Eric Berry $13.00 million; TE Travis Kelce $9.96 million; DE Allen Bailey $7.97 million.

LOS ANGELES RAMS
Homegrown on 53: 33 (26 draftees/Seven college free agents)
Outside free agents on 53: 11
Trades/waivers on 53: Nine
Quarterback acquired: Drafted Jared Goff first overall in 2016 (traded 15th, 43rd, 45th and 76th overall picks, and 2017 first- and third round picks for first, 113th, and 177th overall picks).
Last five first-round picks: QB Jared Goff (2016, 1); RB Todd Gurley (2015, 10); OT Greg Robinson (2014, 2); DT Aaron Donald (2014, 13); WR Tavon Austin/LB Alec Ogletree (2013, 8/30).
Top five cap figures: DT Ndamukong Suh $14.50 million; OT Andrew Whitworth $12.67 million; S Lamarcus Joyner $11.29 million; CB Aqib Talib $11.01 million; DL Michael Brockers $10.76 million.

NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
Homegrown on 53: 31 (23 draftees/eight college free agents)
Outside free agents on 53: 14
Trades/waivers on 53: Eight
Quarterback acquired: Drafted Tom Brady 199th overall in 2000.
Last five first-round picks: OL Isaiah Wynn/RB Sony Michel (2018, 23/31); DT Malcom Brown (2015, 32); DL Dominique Easley (2014, 29); DE Chandler Jones/LB Don’t’a Hightower (2012, 21/25).
Top five cap figures: QB Tom Brady $22.00 million; CB Stephon Gilmore $12.513 million; S Devin McCourty $11.94 million; TE Rob Gronkowski $10.91 million; LB Dont’a Hightower $8.53 million.

NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
Homegrown on 53: 28 (20 draftees/eight college free agents)
Outside free agents on 53: 20
Trades/waivers on 53: five
Quarterback acquired: Signed Drew Brees to a six-year, $60 million free-agent deal in 2006.
Last five first-round picks: DE Marcus Davenport (2018, 14); CB Marshon Lattimore/OT Ryan Ramczyk (2017, 11/32); DT Sheldon Rankins (2016, 12); OL Andrus Peat/LB Stephone Anthony (2015, 13/31).
Top five cap figures: QB Drew Brees $24.00 million; DE Cam Jordan $14.50 million; OT Terron Armstead $13.5 million; OG Larry Warford $9.01 million; C Max Unger $8.01 million.

So what to take away? Three things I noticed:

One, more players on these rosters are landing there via trade or waiver claims than before. The 2015 quartet of Arizona, Carolina, Denver and New England had acquired a total of 18 of their players that way going into championship weekend. In 2016, that number dipped to 12 for the conference finalist. Last year, it was up to 26. This year, it’s 29. So these teams are working the waiver wire and trade market.

Two, there’s a huge gap in age at quarterback—and in method of their acquisition. Brady is 41 and Brees is 40. Goff is 24 and Mahomes is 23. Brady and Brees came into the NFL as non-first-rounders, and Brees was allowed to hit the free-agent market by his drafting team (the Chargers) due to injury. Both Goff and Mahomes were traded up for in the Top 10. Conclusion? Quarterbacks don’t slip through the cracks much anymore.

Three, the investment in linemen, as we said, is noticeable. Take the five highest cap numbers on the rosters of the Chiefs, Rams and Saints, and 11 of those 15 players (including Houston, an on-ball linebacker) are linemen. And the Patriots spent three of their last four first-round picks on linemen, and have three offensive linemen on second contracts playing for trench wizard Dante Scarnecchia.

And that brings us back to Snead, and the aggression-born-of-disappointment within the Ram organization that took the team from up-and-comer to juggernaut in one offseason.

There wasn’t some seminal meeting to map things out, nor was there a detailed plan to go and collect stars like a director would assemble an ensemble cast. In fact, as Snead explains it now, the Rams’ splashy 2018 really was more a step-by-step reaction to the conditions facing the team. And it started with a simple decision.

“It was definitely organic. We didn’t put the cart before the horse,” said Snead. “The news of the day was ‘Who are they gonna franchise? Sammy [Watkins], Trumaine [Johnson] or Lamarcus [Joyner]?’ One of them being a receiver, two of them being DBs, we did know that there would be disruption in the defensive backfield. If we franchised Sammy, two are on the market. And we knew if we picked one of the DBs, there’d be disruption at receiver.”

That Johnson had been tagged twice already made the call not to tag him (it’d be at the quarterback number) easy. And looking at the price points for Watkins ($15.982 million) and Joyner ($11.287 million), it made sense to ease the loss of one DB, and roll the dice on being able to keep Watkins after he hit the market. And that opened the door to rework the defense in coordinator Wade Phillips’ vision.

So the dominoes started falling.

• Ahead of the combine, the Rams worked out a deal to send second- and fourth-round picks to the Chiefs for a sixth-round pick and Pro Bowl corner Marcus Peters, whose disruptive and selfish behavior in Kansas City landed him on the trade block. For all his problems, Peters brought elite ability to L.A., and only cost $1.7 million for 2018, with a $9.1 million team option for 2019.

• Two weeks later, L.A. landed a bookend for Peters, trading a fifth-round pick to Denver for five-time Pro Bowler Aqib Talib, who fell out of favor with the Broncos because his performance went south with that of the team at the end of 2017. The feeling was he could pull teammates either way, and the Broncos saw that as an issue as they looked to get younger. Clearing the 32-year-old off the roster also would give them a better look at former first-round pick Bradley Roby.

• Phillips’ defense prizes two types of players—cover corners and pressure guys. With the former taken care of, and the Rams having moved front-seven fixtures Robert Quinn and Alec Ogletree to create flexibility, the hunt was on for the latter. They could spend their first-rounder on a pass rusher.

Or they could keep it as a chip and pursue defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh. In Miami, Suh wasn’t a problem so much as he’d done nothing to help fix problems that arose there, which positioned him as an easy casualty of a culture overhaul. On the flip side, the Rams had strength coach, Ted Rath, who worked with Suh in Detroit, to vouch for him, and help grease the skids for a one-year deal to get done.

• The receiver market exploded in free agency. The Chiefs outbid the Rams for Watkins, landing him at $48 million over three years, which in a roundabout way created opportunity. New England’s Brandin Cooks was headed into a contract year, and the new bar for paying receivers set too rich a price for the Patriots to extend him.

When the Rams initially asked about Cooks, they got a flat ‘no.’ In March it was a ‘maybe.’ In early April, that 1 they deemed a chip (with Suh filling the need for a pass-rusher) was to Foxboro for the receiver that McVay wanted in 2017 before settling for Watkins.

The Rams, of course, weren’t done there. They stayed out of the offensive line market, figuring they could use the draft to get younger and deeper, which they did. There still was a need for an edge player to complement Donald, addressed at the trade deadline with a deal for Dante Fowler.

And along the way, they actually inquired about Odell Beckham and got in on the Khalil Mack sweepstakes in July, later offering Oakland close to what the Bears spent for him.

But the theme was the same throughout. And while, yes, it was partly facilitated by having a quarterback on a rookie deal, the Rams’ push was more than just that.

“There’s a sense of urgency,” Snead said. “But you need to use that cap space right. So how do you best support the environment to help get your rookie quarterback to what we’d call the ‘O.K., we got one’ stage. That’s step one. You get him to the point where you’re saying, ‘O.K., he’s definitely one.’ Now he’s earned that status [and in 2017] we got this team that not only can win the division, but did win the division.

“So there’s this element—you’ve proven you’re in this window, having a quarterback on a rookie contract, and having that quarterback playing well enough for your team to be a division and playoff contender. That window is only going to last so long, so you want to take advantage of that.”

What’s interesting is that the Rams have mortgaged little of their future in their construction of a contender. They bet that the strength of their infrastructure in coaching (and with McVay in particular), the locker room (with guys like Gurley and Donald) and elsewhere would allow them to absorb the risks they took on in Suh, Peters and Talib. The team has been right in that regard thus far, but theyaren’t tied to any of those guys long-term. Nor are there are many contracts that put the team in the lurch after this year.

And if you look at the three trends we identified with the conference finalist, all are A-plus areas for the Rams. They’ve been aggressive on trades. They have a 24-year-old at quarterback. They’ve invested heavily in their lines. Their biggest decision coming out of 2018, in fact, might be whether or not to hang on to guard Rodger Saffold.

To be sure, Saffold’s been a good player. But that this is about to be the pressing issue should illustrate the kind of shape they’re in going forward. I could sense Snead is well aware of that when I gave him the roster makeup chart to analyze.

“Well, what I did like about it, of the four teams, we have the most homegrown players,” Snead said. “You have a nice nucleus. You build, build, then there’s a breakthrough, and now you’re in what you’d term the ‘alive’ stage. Well, how do you stay alive? There’s an element of variables that make that a challenge.

“Obviously, being a winning team, you’re going to have others who want players from your team, you’re not going to be able to re-sign all of them. … The other variable, when you’re in that alive stage, you’re drafting later.”

And then I stopped Snead—Good problem to have?

“Yeah,” he answered. “It’s the problem you want to have.”
 

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Love how this info comes out after an offseason and regular season of listening to the BS narrative that we were trying to buy a championship and built for now with a short window.
 

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Regardless of how the season plays out it’s going to be interesting to see what the plan is. Are we done with Suh? Peters?
Talking heads assumed we were on the way to cap hell but it appears that’s not the case and I heard someone pointing out how few picks the rams have which a) isn’t accurate and b) doesn’t seem to matter. Bottom line is that good teams find ways to stay good despite the league being set up for parity.
 

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Love how this info comes out after an offseason and regular season of listening to the BS narrative that we were trying to buy a championship and built for now with a short window.

Yeah I doubt the Rams will ever be in cap hell with Demoff running the numbers every year. I think the mix of him doing the math, Snead working the GM side of things, and a staff that clearly defines what they want make for a great product.

Right now there's just that settling effect, where people first need to get their heads around how good the Rams are and that final stage is the realization that we're probably going to be around for a while. Both us and the Chiefs, no matter what happen on Sunday, have good young QBs just starting their careers plus complementary staffs to help them sustain success. Saints & Patriots are going to need to find QBs and that's not always a given even for elite coaches and front offices.
 

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https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/1/31/18205342/super-bowl-blueprints-rams-patriots

Battle of the Blueprints: How to Build a Super Bowl Contender in the Modern NFL
After a series of aggressive moves via trade and free agency, the Rams were all in on 2018. The Patriots prefer to play the long game.
By Kevin Clark

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“I think in the sports world right now, there’s been, whether it’s the tanking phenomenon or the draft-pick phenomenon, everyone wants this really long window, and you can’t be afraid to raise your hand and say, ‘You know what, this happened a little faster than we thought.’” —Kevin Demoff, Los Angeles Rams executive VP of football operations and COO, this week in Atlanta

It happened faster than anyone in the Los Angeles Rams organization thought it would. The Rams are in the Super Bowl not as a result of a teardown or a tank (no, that’s not what they were doing under Jeff Fisher) or a years-long rebuild. They built a contender rather quickly with a handful of strong draft classes, a smart young coach, and a series of aggressive moves that led the media to dub them “all in” on the 2018 season.

This Super Bowl matchup between the New England Patriots and Los Angeles Rams features two of the most interesting, innovative teams in sports. What is unusual is that they have taken nearly opposite approaches to get to where they are. The Rams made a string of moves specifically designed to maximize their window, and the Patriots have stopped at nothing to be window-proof for two decades. It is overly simplistic to say it’s a team that’s all in vs. a team that’s never all in, but it’s not inaccurate, either.

The Rams have made aggressive moves to vault themselves into the NFL elite, the kinds of moves the Patriots would never dream of making. L.A. can afford to do this because it has a starting quarterback on a rookie contract, which gives the team plenty of cap space. The Patriots can afford their strategy because they have the best quarterback and coach in history. It is the short game vs. the long game. Both teams use trades, but the Rams are far more aggressive with them.

The Rams have 11 players on multiyear contracts with guarantees above $15 million, while the the Patriots have five. This is not to say that one team drastically outspends the other; the Rams ranked fourth in the amount of cap space used in 2018, and the Patriots ninth, according to Spotrac. It’s just a difference in how each team ties up that money and acquires those assets in the first place. The winner of one game will not act as a litmus test, but these teams suggest that there are two distinct routes to building a championship roster.

“There are multiple correct answers,” Patriots head coach Bill Belichick said this week when discussing roster-building. “Ultimately you have to try to find the right mix for your team. That can be long- and short-term because there’s a development aspect to younger players and then with the longevity and productivity of older players.” When you add everything together, Belichick said, the situation becomes complicated. “Usually it’s not that clear. You have three or four options, and you try to pick the right one and prioritize all of those things.”

L.A. drafted quarterback Jared Goff, defensive tackle Aaron Donald, and running back Todd Gurley, among other stars. Once head coach Sean McVay had his breakout season in 2017, the Rams accelerated their build heading into 2018. They traded a first- and a sixth-round pick to New England for receiver Brandin Cooks. They traded a 2019 second-round pick and a 2018 fourth-round pick to the Kansas City Chiefs for cornerback Marcus Peters.

They traded a fifth-rounder to the Denver Broncos for Aqib Talib. They signed defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh. Last spring general manager Les Snead compared the Rams’ offseason of star acquisitions to the Golden State Warriors. “We’ve seen the Warriors embrace that,” Snead told Sports Illustrated.

The Patriots rarely make such aggressive moves. If the Rams are the Warriors, the Patriots are the San Antonio Spurs, picking their spots and knowing what got them here, namely, a few key core players and a great coach. They play the long game because they can. They hoard draft picks, with Belichick often trading back to acquire more draft capital.

The Patriots operate a ruthless style of salary cap management. Belichick dealt Chandler Jones and Jamie Collins, two star defenders, before their rookie contracts expired. Jones continued to be a star, albeit an expensive one, later netting $51 million guaranteed from the Arizona Cardinals. Collins signed a four-year deal worth $50 million with the Cleveland Browns, though he has not regained his Patriots-level production.

There is a long list of players the Patriots have dumped for money reasons, a list that added the names Malcolm Butler and Dion Lewis last year. “They traded Richard Seymour, got rid of Ty Law, Willie McGinest, Lawyer Milloy. It’s a long-standing principle,” said Joel Corry, a salary cap expert and former agent. “They are going to play hardball and they aren’t going to chase a player in free agency.

Look at what they did with Devin McCourty, Nate Solder, Julian Edelman. They just go tell them to test the market.” They also take low-cost fliers on a considerable number of players. Kyle Van Noy and Josh Gordon are the most recent examples in a group that also includes former players like Rob Ninkovich and Mike Vrabel.

The result is that the Patriots sometimes have less talent than their opponent and hope to make up the difference with coaching, role players executing their jobs to perfection, situational football, and a quarterback who solves a lot of problems. Belichick and Brady are the common ingredients in all nine of the Patriots’ Super Bowl berths this century.

In Brady’s eight appearances, he’s has played behind 24 different offensive linemen, including seven right tackles. He has thrown touchdown passes to 71 receivers in his career. Remarkably, only defensive backs Patrick Chung and Devin McCourty join Brady in having played a significant number of snaps during the Patriots’ latest run of four Super Bowl appearances in five years.

“The lesson is your head coach and quarterback are very, very important,” said Tony Pastoors, the Rams’ lead negotiator and vice president of football and business administration. “The cast around them has changed. It’s always a different Patriots team. Every year they reinvent themselves. It’s incredible the way they’ve done it. I don’t know if it’s replicable.”

Take Cooks, who played in the Super Bowl with the Patriots last year. New England traded him to Los Angeles after one productive season for the same price they paid to acquire him, a first-round pick. The cost of the acquisition for the Rams was a first-round pick and the $81 million extension they signed Cooks to. He was a highly productive player for both teams and is an example of each of their approaches to roster construction.

The first aggressive move the Rams made, long before acquiring Suh, Peters, Talib, or Dante Fowler, was drafting Goff. They paid a high price to move up to no. 1 in the 2016 draft to select the Cal passer: two first-round picks, two seconds, and two thirds to the Tennessee Titans, but his emergence as a solid NFL starter allowed the rest of the plan to move forward.

And there was, like with all of the aggressive moves, sound reasoning behind the decision. Shortly after the 2011 collective bargaining agreement, Demoff noticed in the quarterback market “escalating quarterback contracts—not as much for the best ones but for the middle-tier guys.”

In response to this rise of quarterback cash, the team acquired Nick Foles to replace Sam Bradford, who became the highest-paid rookie in NFL history after his selection as the no. 1 overall pick in 2010. Foles’s cap hit in 2015 with the Rams was $4 million. The previous season Bradford cost $17.6 million against the cap. “We tried to do a hedge contract. If [Foles] was great, we’d save money. If not, we’d probably overpay just a little.”

Demoff pointed out that Foles did not work for the Rams; he had a sub-70 QB rating in his only year with the team. But the franchise kept searching for ways to find an inexpensive quarterbacks and realized how valuable they can be. “There were so many economic advantages to drafting quarterbacks with the rookie deals. People talk about the assets you have to give up for a top pick, but what they leave out is what you get by adding that salary,” Demoff said. “We probably picked up $50 million over the next four years that we could add to our roster.”

The Rams did not invent this approach. Pastoors compared them to the Seahawks from earlier this decade, who hit on a high number of draft picks. “The key to building around a quarterback on a rookie contract is having the players to actually build it. Obviously, you look at Seattle, building around Russell [Wilson], they had players—Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas, Avril, Bennett, Wagner.

They hit on those guys and knew what they had,” Pastoors said. “We were fortunate to hit on Jared and have Aaron, a superstar. Todd was a budding superstar. We were able to supplement those guys with guys like Robert Woods, Brandin Cooks, Andrew Whitworth. It all starts in the draft so that you aren’t trying to piece-meal it all together.”

Corry said that the difference between the Rams and other teams who have employed similar strategies, such as the Seahawks and the Denver Broncos in 2015, is that the Rams have pursued high-profile players via trade and free agency, such as Suh and Cooks. “This Rams team pushed all their chips to the middle of the table,” Corry said.

The Patriots, of course, also have an advantageous situation at quarterback. Without Brady, New England’s long game would be sunk. Not just because he is on a below-market rate contract, but because of how well he works with a rotating cast of receivers and offensive linemen. The Patriots build schemes around being able to save money or draft capital. Belichick has spoken about switching defenses because nose tackles became too scarce.

Part of the Patriots’ emphasis on different areas of the passing game during the Belichick-Brady run is cost efficiency: Belichick’s focus on inside receivers was due in part to talented receivers on the outside becoming largely overvalued. The tight end position was also being overlooked, so he built offenses around both. Belichick can afford to be efficient because he rarely has competition for the type of player he’s looking for.

There are two things to understand about this particular clash of philosophies: The first is that the Rams, of course, want to have a two-decade-long window, similar to the Patriots’. They are just taking advantage of the set of circumstances that gives them a massive opportunity to win in 2018.

“One of the things you hope for, and the Patriots have had this advantage for so long, is that you can build a good program and guys want to come for you for a little less and play for a ring,” Demoff said. “Probably our greatest advantage over the last year is guys saying, ‘I’m happy to go live in L.A., go play with Sean and Wade [Phillips], to be in great weather with a team that seemingly has a chance to win.’”

“The odds are the Patriots will never be duplicated again,” Demoff said. “I think most teams look at that and say it’s going to be an anomaly.”

I asked Demoff, with all this in mind, what he thinks about Goff’s second contract, which would mark a new era for the team’s thinking. Goff, after all, is eligible for an extension after this season. Even if he signs a deal below the cap hits of say, Kirk Cousins, it will still result in a cap hit of over $20 million each year.

His cap hit this year is $8 million and would be $9 million next year; there are 14 quarterbacks in the NFL with cap hits of over $20 million. Demoff joked that the team is focused on other things at the moment, but said that the Rams have “typically looked at doing deals after three years,” which would be this offseason for Goff. “I think we’ll look at it,” he said. “We’ll talk.”

“I think everyone’s comfortable that Jared is going to be with us for a long time.”

And so, their long game begins.
 

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As much as I like Jared Goff & his cap space. The Rams could have been better even faster if Fisher was not the head coach 2 years ago & The Rams don’t trade up for Goff !!

Goff cost The Rams a lot of draft picks , but then again?? What does Whitworth,Sullivan, & Kromer mean to The Rams ??
 

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As much as I like Jared Goff & his cap space. The Rams could have been better even faster if Fisher was not the head coach 2 years ago & The Rams don’t trade up for Goff !!

Goff cost The Rams a lot of draft picks , but then again?? What does Whitworth,Sullivan, & Kromer mean to The Rams ??

Goff didnt cost as much as the media would want people to believe. And the Rams needed a QB for the future, IMO Goff was the best available. The Rams didnt give up anywhere near what Washington gave up for RGIII and definitely got a much better return for their investment. The most amazing part of the Goff deal is that Fisher didnt fuck it up by taking the wrong QB.
 

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As much as I like Jared Goff & his cap space. The Rams could have been better even faster if Fisher was not the head coach 2 years ago & The Rams don’t trade up for Goff !!

Goff cost The Rams a lot of draft picks , but then again?? What does Whitworth,Sullivan, & Kromer mean to The Rams ??

Goff will end up being the best trade up in rams history.

Who was gonna be their qb if they didn't trade up for Goff?

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Goff will end up being the best trade up in rams history.

Who was gonna be their qb if they didn't trade up for Goff?

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Foles & Keenum. They could have been signed for a inexpensive multiple year contract.

My point being The Rams could have been there sooner talent wise without Goff.

McVay put it all together & if Fisher was still the H/C it would have probably never happened anyway. He had no OC concept at all. Would go into a shell in the 4th qrt & try to run clock.

— Looking back at it though your probably right. Snead & The Rams have done extremely well in the draft.

I expect this trend to continue as well. I’m not sure what Rams Personnel went to the senior bowl
 
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Above are two excellent articles with some great nuggets contained in them. I took out & reposted what I thought were very informative.

"Phillips’ defense prizes two types of players—cover corners and pressure guys".

The above statement is something I have heard & seen from Wade for a long time now. It might help us know what this upcoming FA'cy period & Draft might bring the Rams. It could also indicate that an already present Ram .....CB Marcus Peters may not be such solid lock to be a Ram in 2019 .....Peters as a Ram has not been a cover corner. The Rams front five DL will have several vacancies & Wade will be :wabbit:those "Pressure Guys".

To be sure, Saffold’s been a good player. But that this is about to be the pressing issue should illustrate the kind of shape they’re in going forward. I could sense Snead is well aware of that when I gave him the roster makeup chart to analyze.

I agree Rodger Saffold will be the top topic in the Rams own FA'cy. Snead will first try to get indications from the NFL's oldest active starting LT Andrew Whitworth (37) if he plans on returning for another season. AW had planned on retiring @ the end of the 2016 season (3 yrs ago) before the Rams Org. got up with him. If AW indicates that he will not return then then I would look for Snead to resign Saffold.

Demoff noticed in the quarterback market “escalating quarterback contracts—for the middle-tier guys.” But the franchise kept searching for ways to find an inexpensive quarterbacks and realized how valuable they can be. “There were so many economic advantages to drafting quarterbacks with the rookie deals.

An interesting statement with our main Back up QB Mannion being a UFA leaving the Rams with only 1 QB under contract for 2019 this will be a position that bares watching.....will they draft a QB or will they get bruised in the cap in signing a UFA " middle-tier guys"?

"you can build a good program and guys want to come for you for a little less and play for a ring,” Demoff said. “Probably our greatest advantage over the last year is guys saying, ‘I’m happy to go live in L.A., go play with Sean and Wade [Phillips], to be in great weather with a team that seemingly has a chance to win.’”
Demoff has 23 current Rams who will need contracts for 2019. We will find out in two days if these Rams will have a SB ring & will want to then move on while they are hot items for big $$$ & onto teams who desire players who have just won it all.

Ref. other teams UFA's ....maybe super athletic 6-6 265 lb ER Ezekiel Ansah who now over 30 & tired of living in the artic & not winning.......What about former LA boy who also living in the cold OLB Anthony Barr who has been playing out of position in a 43 D wants to come back to LA & get a ring play the ER position?.....how about a 33 yr old NT Steve McLendon who has played 11 yrs never won a ring & has done all the dirty work in the cold of the NE USA hey Steve we ill have a vacancy @ NT want some sun? Or finally, NT 34 yr old Brandon Mebane former Ram killer may want to win the 2nd ring


The Patriots operate a ruthless style of salary cap management.
No team has made so many hard decisions as they have & it's paid off.:huh:
“They are going to play hardball and they aren’t going to chase a player in free agency.:admin:

The result is that the Patriots sometimes have less talent than their opponent and hope to make up the difference with coaching, role players executing their jobs to perfection, situational football, and a quarterback who solves a lot of problems.:sick:
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Belichick has spoken about switching defenses because nose tackles became too scarce.:thinking:

There is some truth to this Snead has not found any.

Belichick’s focus on inside receivers was due in part to talented receivers on the outside becoming largely overvalued. The tight end position was also being overlooked, so he built offenses around both.

I would agree to this :cool:
 

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I think the Patz benefit from playing in an absolute dogshit division also, I mean they get an automatic 1-4 seed every year...
 

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As much as I like Jared Goff & his cap space. The Rams could have been better even faster if Fisher was not the head coach 2 years ago & The Rams don’t trade up for Goff !!

Goff cost The Rams a lot of draft picks , but then again?? What does Whitworth,Sullivan, & Kromer mean to The Rams ??

Teams don't have a choice. You either have a QB or need a QB. I never considered Keenum, or Foles to be long term answers. Maybe they would have played better under McVay, but he wasn't being considered for Head coaching gigs at the time. So, it's a moot point IMO.
 

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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft...with-both-teams-currently-in-playoff-picture/

Rams traded to Titans:

  • 2016 Round 1 pick (No. 15)
  • 2016 Round 2 pick (No. 43)
  • 2016 Round 2 pick (No. 45)
  • 2016 Round 3 pick (No. 76
  • 2017 Round 1 pick (No. 5)
  • 2017 Round 3 pick (No. 100)

Titans traded to Rams:
  • 2016 Round 1 pick (No. 1 overall)
  • 2016 Round 4 pick (No. 113)
  • 2016 Round 6 pick (No. 177)
Rams picked:
PLAYER ROUND OVERALL PICK POSITION COLLEGE
Jared Goff 1 1 QB California
Pharoh Cooper 4 117 WR South Carolina
Temarrick Hemingway 6 177 TE South Carolina State
Mike Thomas 7 206 WR Southern Mississippi
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The trade for Goff didn't put a strangle hold on the Rams future. They had the extra #2 pick in 2016. Can't imagine where they would be without Goff. Would they have been smart enough to take Mahomes in 2017 who went #10? What looked like a promising return other than Goff has panned out with injuries hurting the players took with the titans return picks. The Rams have drafted well after 2016 which lessens the impact of trading those picks to the Titans.
 

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Saffold was a stalwart on one of the best offensive lines in the league this past season. He earned the third-best run-blocking grade among all guards in 2018 and could fit in any scheme you’ll find in the NFL. He won’t get a mega-deal as he turns 31 this offseason, but he’s nowhere near the end of his usefulness.

Been saying Saffold won't get the mega-deal because he is turning 31. Those go to the that are 24-26 years old.

I asked Demoff, with all this in mind, what he thinks about Goff’s second contract, which would mark a new era for the team’s thinking. Goff, after all, is eligible for an extension after this season. Even if he signs a deal below the cap hits of say, Kirk Cousins, it will still result in a cap hit of over $20 million each year.

His cap hit this year is $8 million and would be $9 million next year; there are 14 quarterbacks in the NFL with cap hits of over $20 million. Demoff joked that the team is focused on other things at the moment, but said that the Rams have “typically looked at doing deals after three years,” which would be this offseason for Goff. “I think we’ll look at it,” he said. “We’ll talk.”

“I think everyone’s comfortable that Jared is going to be with us for a long time.”

As we wait a little impatiently for the Super Bowl I wonder how the Rams will move forward in the next few of years. They are going to have to slow down the their roll, pay roll that is. Can't keep paying out top $$$. Get Saffold and Fowler resigned on fair deals.

Resigning Goff in the off season would be interesting. I thought they might hold off a year. If they do it this off season then they could take a little more cap hit in the first two years to lessen the remaining years some. Things will have to change when they start paying Goff the big bucks. Hoping he is a little reasonable in his demands. Snead and the scouting department have to start running on all cylinders. They are going to have to become more like that team they are playing Sunday. Getting more draft picks by trading down, finding good roll players and free agents. At least they have a solid player foundation on offense and some on defense.
 
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Teams don't have a choice. You either have a QB or need a QB. I never considered Keenum, or Foles to be long term answers. Maybe they would have played better under McVay, but he wasn't being considered for Head coaching gigs at the time. So, it's a moot point IMO.

Truth is Jared Goff is very humble & just a good teammate. He fits perfect in we, not me . We’ll see how contracts play out over the years, but I think McVay & Goff are Rams for awhile together.
 

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“The Rams are in the Super Bowl not as a result of a teardown or a tank (no, that’s not what they were doing under Jeff Fisher) . . .” :rolllaugh:
 

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The Rams are looking like a team in line for a nice stretch of success. In addition, LA is the #2 media market in the US. This should translate to a lot of interest from FAs. $$$ will be a huge factor for those FAs looking for the big payout 2nd contract but for more seasoned FAs the aforementioned should play in favor for the Rams.
 

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The Rams are looking like a team in line for a nice stretch of success. In addition, LA is the #2 media market in the US. This should translate to a lot of interest from FAs. $$$ will be a huge factor for those FAs looking for the big payout 2nd contract but for more seasoned FAs the aforementioned should play in favor for the Rams.


I've learned from the GSOT days, not to count my chickens before they hatch. I thought the Rams were set for the next ten years with Marts and Warner, Bruce, Holt combo.