Brian Allen Is The Starting Center Of Debate

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Brian Allen Is The Starting Center Of Debate​

It seems like yesterday that many a piece was written (including on this amazing site) about how Austin Corbett is the best center for the job despite him technically being a starting guard. The Rams didn’t feel compelled to draft a center despite losing last year’s starter Austin Blythe, who took less money to not start for the Chiefs. Corbett got all the first-team reps during OTA’s all spring but now Sean McVay has decided to make Brian Allen the starter.

The fanbase became apoplectic, to say the least, especially since everyone already talked themselves into Corbett in lieu of drafting Quinn Meinerz or Creed Humphrey, who is now the starter for the Chiefs (more on them later).

Brian Allen hasn’t played since 2019 and is entering his fourth year in the league, and has yet to start a full season. So why did the Rams decide to do risk their championship dreams on a fourth-year project?

In working backward on Brian Allen, why didn’t the Rams simply draft Creed Humphrey with either of their early-round picks? They opted for Tutu Atwell and Ernest Jones instead, and while most Rams couch pundits claim those picks were brilliant, most did NOT feel that way at the moment. Rams twitter had a meltdown akin to if they found out they were being charged a Bear Patrol Tax. Yes, Creed Humphrey is already capable of starting on just about every team in the league so Jones and Atwell, while great picks, will have a Creed shadow over them; but not enough to do illegal boxing matches in Mexico. Why didn’t they draft Meinerz? Well, word out of Broncos camp is that he’s more of a project than he seemed in April so that makes some sense. Alright, so if they didn’t see a starting center they liked why not go after a vet?

The most logical veteran candidate was The Secret World of Alex Mack. Mack is 36 and entering the stage in his career (though older) that John Sullivan was in, where he wants to play for a contender. The Rams let him go to the Niners and they didn’t really pursue any other vets. So why not? Obviously, they knew they had to be careful with their money to the extent that they’d have to wait for their wedding to shop at the 99 Cent Store. They also were a little wary about having a 36-year-old, even one as good as Mack, protect Stafford.

That also makes sense, but what doesn’t is why they didn’t resign Austin Blythe? Especially since he again took less money to play for the Chiefs because they’re his favorite team (essentially living Paul Rudd’s dream)? It seems odd, but perhaps Sean McVay and new offensive line coach Kevin Carberry didn’t feel like he was the best option, which if true, makes their previous two decisions even more baffling.

Les Snead and the Rams’ scouting team have been so savvy in drafting beyond the first-round that choosing Tutu and Jones over Humphrey feel like they’re in irrational confidence mode. They announced they were shifting Austin Corbett to center signaling that Brian Allen wasn’t long for the team and would be kept around for depth. What happened?

It seems that Bobby Evans has had a bumpy camp and Corbett’s services were better served at guard. The Rams have drafted several Swiss Army-style linemen to have flexible with their depth but they don’t still don’t have anyone that can specifically play center outside of Allen.

Brian Allen, in a vacuum, isn’t inherently BAD. Where fan acrimony comes in is how much of an unknown he really is. He was drafted in 2018 but served as a backup. In 2019, he became the new starter after John Sullivan left. He made it through nine games before an MCL injury ended his season. Last year, he tested positive for Covid, and along with Blythe’s emergence, kept him on the sidelines. His sample size is extremely small but in his nine starts, he was serviceable and didn’t allow a sack, but again, a small sample size.

The Rams are primed to make a Super Bowl run, but if Brian Allen can’t stay healthy or he hasn’t progressed, that could doom them or at least force them to shuffle their line and at a certain point, it becomes a house of cards. In theory, the Rams could still pluck someone after cuts or do what they did with Corbett and trade for a salvage project but right now it doesn’t look like Andy McCullum is walking through that door (although if he did he’d bring donuts).

With fans and amateur blog boys, any weakness in the Rams’ armor will be dissected like Boliver Trask cutting into a dead mutant. The center position is a glaring question mark and honestly has been since Sully left in 2019. Brian Allen could wind up being the answer, at least for this year, and then they can begin developing their franchise of the future next season while shelling out for a vet. Or Allen is the answer long term and they can set their sights elsewhere. Until week one, and perhaps all year, every penalty, block, snap, etc. will be scrutinized until he either acquits himself as a solid starter or gets yanked off the stage.
 

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I realize that last season McVay realized his offense needed a WR with exceptional speed to go over the top of defenses and along with Jackson, felt Atwell was a great option, but again, IMO, I would have taken Humphrey and looked for another WR later.

That being posted, I'm confident in Allen, he's stronger plus was very durable at Michigan State. Shelton has looked okay as the backup, Rams could still add someone on cutdown day, but if Allen is able to play a whole season, I'm confident he'll be a significant upgrade over Austin Blythe.
McVay thinks speed/explosives are the key to improving the offense ASAP, not adding another center. And with limited cap space and draft picks you can't have it all, you have to choose. McVay made his choice.
 

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Sometimes it's just gotta be said...Brian Allen is the trailer of centers.....Creed is the tractor.

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"In working backward on Brian Allen, why didn’t the Rams simply draft Creed Humphrey with either of their early-round picks? They opted for Tutu Atwell and Ernest Jones instead, and while most Rams couch pundits claim those picks were brilliant, most did NOT feel that way at the moment."

ROD-BOT, are you freakin' kidding me? I think the Draft Oline early, contingent, resigned ourselves to reality, reserving the right to complain our asses off later if the Snead Center experiment didn't work. I was hyperventilating when it was the Rams turn to pick in the 2nd round and Creed Humphreys and Quinn Meinerz were available...

"With the 57th Pick in the 2nd Round, the Los Angeles Rams select......Tutu Atwell?"

Sure, we all want Tutu to work out, but the dude is 150 some odd pounds and has been dinged up in practice and preseason and hasn't played in a game, meanwhile Creed is going to start for the Kansas City Chiefs at Center, while our former starting Center from last year, is his back-up.

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McVay thinks speed/explosives are the key to improving the offense ASAP, not adding another center. And with limited cap space and draft picks you can't have it all, you have to choose. McVay made his choice.
Yea I agree with you here, McVay thinks someone to stretch the field deep is key when you have someone like Stafford. But the problem I think is his hubris when it comes to the OL. IMO he's so confident in his scheme, game planning, and play calling..that he thinks he can hide any deficiencies on the OL himself. We have spent no premium picks on OL in his 5 drafts. Zero. That should tell you all you need to know about his OL philosophy. I get we haven't had 1st rounders but 2nd round OL are very good players.

In 2019 we trusted McVay and Snead's plan with the OL. Not bringing in any new talent and plugging in 2nd year players with no experience. Allen and Noteboom failed miserably and the line was one of the worst in the league. It's just hard for me to have blind faith in their OL plan after witnessing that just two years ago. Look at how most teams build their OL. They spend money on free agents and use big draft capital. I just cant get passed choosing a 5th WR and 5th ILB over a starting center. Makes zero logical sense to me.
 

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Yea I agree with you here, McVay thinks someone to stretch the field deep is key when you have someone like Stafford. But the problem I think is his hubris when it comes to the OL. IMO he's so confident in his scheme, game planning, and play calling..that he thinks he can hide any deficiencies on the OL himself. We have spent no premium picks on OL in his 5 drafts. Zero. That should tell you all you need to know about his OL philosophy. I get we haven't had 1st rounders but 2nd round OL are very good players.

In 2019 we trusted McVay and Snead's plan with the OL. Not bringing in any new talent and plugging in 2nd year players with no experience. Allen and Noteboom failed miserably and the line was one of the worst in the league. It's just hard for me to have blind faith in their OL plan after witnessing that just two years ago. Look at how most teams build their OL. They spend money on free agents and use big draft capital. I just cant get passed choosing a 5th WR and 5th ILB over a starting center. Makes zero logical sense to me.
Agree that McVay was much too overconfident the last couple of years about the o-line and imo about the offense as a whole. Hence his total frustration when it was not as successful as he expected. I hope we will get much better results going forward.

Imo, in hindsight and considering injuries, the personnel were not good enough to make McVay's offensive scheme work at a high level last year. We lacked both blocking up the middle and too often from the edge. Also lacked speed at WR and playmakers. The oline was also never as good after Whitworth went down. Havenstein played but was limited by a nagging injury. Our rbs flashed at times but were inexperienced and injured. A couple of our former wr/te's were unreliable. And defenses were catching up with the scheme by the end of 2018. But McVay seemingly thought he could still run the offense at the high powered level of 2017-18.

It didn't work out. The deception offense that McVay runs depends on, well, deception. A line that can block seamlessly for both the run and the pass with no giveaway reads. Effective play action and deception sweeps off identical run/pass looks. Playmakers who can then burn the D. Rams didn't have enough of any of this last year. Lack of blocking up the middle and from the edge also impacted the qb who too often didn't adjust in time. But imo even better qb play would not have been enough to materially transform the offense.

Hopefully Allen and others on the line now have the experience and physical maturity to change this. And hopefully we will have an effective running game and bring back serious play action/deception. Then hopefully we will see McVay's scheme come to life again and what Stafford at his best can really do with some talented receivers.
 

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They appear to have ear-marked money for the future LT also. Their secondary is set up to continue to be a top 5 unit without D. Williams .
 

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Yes, Creed has been a stud. I can vouch for that. Him and Thuney have had the best showings in Pre-Season for the Chiefs. The whole line is playing well.

I do wonder how Packers C, Josh Myers, is performing. They drafted him just before Creed. I'm not sure he can take them higher. They may regret it as was said earlier.
 

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The Rams don't value interior OL, TE, S, ILB. For better or worse that's the formula.

QB, LT, CB, pass rush. I think most teams align that way too, but in terms of FA, big money and high end draft capital the Rams rarely go there(OL, TE, S, ILB).
 

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No one can be sure how this will play out, however I’ve always felt some here were a little quick writing Allen off, he pretty much redshirted his rookie season, anointed starter his 2nd and was held out of preseason, I always viewed that as a coaching mistake, talk about Baptism by Fire, I think if not for the injury he would have persevered thru the first half of the season and would have improved into a decent to very good Center.

I expect a significant upgrade over what we had last year, crossing my fingers