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$62 million hole in Jones Dome future?
• By David Hunn

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_ffddcce5-b713-5586-8292-731b20fc7179.html

ST. LOUIS • The Edward Jones Dome is running out of money.

The $24 million annual payments that cover stadium upkeep and pay off construction debt are scheduled to end over the next decade. Meanwhile, costs to keep toilets flushing, escalators rising and scoreboards blinking continue to grow.

In just six years, the St. Louis Regional Convention and Sports Complex Authority will have burned through its $16 million savings, according to authority estimates. And if spending continues at that pace, in 15 years the Dome will be nearly $62 million in the hole.

Officials for St. Louis, St. Louis County and Missouri, who together pay off Dome debt and send it $4 million for yearly maintenance, are now searching for dollars.

“I’m going to tell you, they don’t know how they’re going to do it,” said Brian McMurtry, executive director of the Dome authority. “But they want to know what it’s going to take.”

In a letter prepared for the three sponsors, McMurtry suggested continuing the $4 million annual upkeep payments, at a minimum. But that won’t be enough, he noted. To fund Dome maintenance for the next 15 years, government leaders will need to consider sending the Dome an additional $40 million in cash, or selling $40 million in new bonds.

McMurtry even suggested putting a few items on the city’s bond issue list for a public vote as early as this November.

Maintenance of the Dome, unlike at its sister facilities, falls almost entirely on the backs of the public. Busch Stadium is a private ballpark, funded largely by the St. Louis Cardinals. The Scottrade Center, too, was built with $135 million from local companies, and is maintained by the owners of the St. Louis Blues.

But among public stadiums, this kind of conundrum is not unusual, said University of Chicago economist Allen Sanderson. “Estimates of revenues tend to be overstated and costs played down, or at least pushed off to the future,” he said. “You’ve got this combination, on the city side, of public officials worried about the near future, not the long term, and these sports franchises that have an enormous amount of market power. And that’s a bad combination for taxpayers.”

Moreover, planning the future of the Dome is hampered by an additional problem:

It is unclear exactly who will use it.

The facility’s primary tenant is the St. Louis Rams football team. Last year, city, county and state officials rejected a Rams proposal to turn the 20-year-old Dome into a glass-and-steel showpiece, complete with end-zone party platforms, new entrances and a football-field-sized sliding roof. The $700 million price tag, officials said, was too expensive and too unpopular.

That left the Rams with no long-term lease. Owner Stan Kroenke has done little since to quash public fears that the Rams could leave for another city as soon as next year.

It also left the Dome with an uncertain future. “We can’t come up with a long-term solution until we know what the relationship is going to be with the Rams,” said Jim Shrewsbury, a former city aldermanic president and current chairman of the Dome authority board.

For instance, he said, if Kroenke wants any public money for a new stadium here, officials will likely turn to the Dome authority to help with public financing. And any bonds sold to fund a new stadium would, almost as a necessity, also fund the Jones Dome.

But the St. Louis Convention & Visitors Commission also uses the Dome — it books millions of dollars in conventions every year, many of which use the Dome as additional event space.

So leaders feel they have little choice but to keep the Dome updated.

“We want the America’s Center to be competitive and attractive,” said CVC Chairman Andy Leonard. “We don’t want it to become an outdated facility.”

A run-down stadium means fewer conventions, fewer football fans, less money spent downtown and, correspondingly, fewer tax dollars to spend attracting other conventions, he said.

Jeff Rainford, chief of staff to Mayor Francis Slay, cautioned against overreacting.

“This is like anything else,” Rainford said. “Your house is going to need a new roof 10 years from now. Are you sitting here now thinking the world’s going to end because you need a new roof? It’s not like you’re going to stop getting Starbucks and put it in a fund for a new roof. This is long-term stuff.”

The Dome authority sold bonds in 1991 to build the $300 million stadium, which opened in 1995. The sponsors agreed to a 30-year payment plan. The state would send the Dome authority $10 million a year toward debt repayment, plus $2 million for upkeep. The city and county each would pay half of that.

At first that was enough — the Dome authority was even banking the excess. In 2011, it had $30 million in reserves.

But the Dome is aging, and maintenance budgets aren’t stretching like they used to, said McMurtry, the executive director. He now estimates $5 million to $9 million will be needed annually for the next 15 years.

The Dome authority just approved a $7 million maintenance and renovation budget for 2015, including a $65,000 freight door replacement, a $100,000 bleacher repair, a new $1.4 million Wi-Fi system, and a $1.6 million for continued work on the speaker system.

The sponsors could opt not to replace some of the niceties, perhaps. But other items, McMurtry said, aren’t an option. Half of the roof needs replacing. That’ll cost at least $2.5 million.

McMurtry’s memo went to Leonard; Rainford; St. Louis County Executive Charlie Dooley’s senior advisor, Mike Jones; and Gov. Jay Nixon’s local director, Brian May.

Jones said the county is committed: “The reality is we’re going to have to continue to upgrade it,” he said. May did not return calls seeking comment.

And Leonard said he’s reached out to the Rams. They want a nice facility, too, for as long as they’re going to be here. “Somebody’s got to break the ice,” he said. “I’m trying to.”

Kevin Demoff, the Rams chief operating officer, said the team has helped fund improvements in the past, and is open to such discussions now.

The Dome’s first 20 years are over, Leonard said. Now’s the time to start talking about the next 20.

“The issue is,” he said, “if everyone’s got a tight budget, what do we do?”
 

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Losing the Rams is one of the keys to the Dome being profitable.
 

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  • Associated Press | June 11, 2014
ST. LOUIS -- The indoor football stadium that the St. Louis Rams call home is running out of money.

The St. Louis Post -Dispatch (bit.ly/1pGZkMd ) reports that the publicly funded Edward Jones Dome anticipates needing an extra $40 million to cover maintenance over the next 15 years. The St. Louis Regional Convention and Sports Complex Authority, which owns the downtown dome, expects to exhaust its $16 million savings in six years.

The dome receives $4 million annually for yearly maintenance for the city of St. Louis, St. Louis County and the state of Missouri.

The stadium's future remains in limbo as lease negotiations between St. Louis Rams owner Stan Kroenke and the stadium authority drag on. The Rams can break their 30-year lease after the upcoming season, which would be a decade early.
 

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Honestly I don't much care if the Rams move or stay in STL but I would love to see them get a new stadium. I have a feeling that Stan knows what he is doing in this regard.
 

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From personal experience, don't expect the downtown site to ever rate as a quality stadium. I've spent over the thousand limit of times in a hotel in the downtown St. Louis area over the years. From the Mafia ( capitaliized, no disrespect sirs, I never said nuthin) owned Gateway Hotel to the Millenniium ( between the arch and Busch stdium). Watched the Cards play in Busch stadium. I've lived in the underbelly of downtown and it's not the way to go. The Dome is sorry, I'm sad to say. Stayed in a hotel across the highway from the since departed Chrysler plant in Fenton. Much better site. My impressions from here, it's out in the county or it's a lot further away. Don't take me as a downer, Silient Stan is a Missouri guy, we're in good hands.
 

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My take has changed drastically over this. Being from a neighboring county to st.louis county, I don't ever want to see them leave. That said, I want what is best for this club. The poster above mine made a good point, the acreage where the Chrystler building used to be could be terrific. Where it is now, sucks. The dome is dirty, and run down. A problem with them staying here is the amount of fair weather fans. Bottom line, this is Cardinal Nation. The Cards have no issue with support, it is, and always has been, a baseball town. Unless the rams win 10+ games and make a strong playoff push to bring the fans from their couch to the game, they will not get a new stadium. So, that said, I'm all for, if they are unable to get a new home, the Rams moving to LA and getting all the love and attention and money and publicity that they deserve.
 

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Back to LA?
It's probably best not to go there, since the article really wasn't about that.

It's simply about a problem St. Louis has that involves the Rams. But almost everyone thinks the Rams are going to be in a new stadium sooner or later one way or another anyway.
 

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My take has changed drastically over this. Being from a neighboring county to st.louis county, I don't ever want to see them leave. That said, I want what is best for this club. The poster above mine made a good point, the acreage where the Chrystler building used to be could be terrific. Where it is now, sucks. The dome is dirty, and run down. A problem with them staying here is the amount of fair weather fans. Bottom line, this is Cardinal Nation. The Cards have no issue with support, it is, and always has been, a baseball town. Unless the rams win 10+ games and make a strong playoff push to bring the fans from their couch to the game, they will not get a new stadium. So, that said, I'm all for, if they are unable to get a new home, the Rams moving to LA and getting all the love and attention and money and publicity that they deserve.
You mean like the love and publicity they left,or the love and publicity the Raiders left?

LA lost them both to smaller markets ,I'm not going to denigrate LA ,but if St L is a Cardinal town,LA is something other than a Ram town.
I don't honestly believe the Rams WOULD be better off in LA .
You are correct they need to win the support of the area ,which Shaw and Co squandered when they HAD IT,I think they will.
IMO the Chrysler Plant fits so much of Stans MO ( see what I did there?) I consider it a natural .

I'd also like to say, the future of football is TV, no one is going to fill 80,000 seat stadiums much longer that started to become the new reality when Sunday Ticket came into existence.
I'm not terribly concerned the Rams are going to move ,said what I think about that enough times,Les is right bothe the Rams and the Ed will be better off without each other.
 

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I considered what u said as well, about them losing. But I think that they realize what they lost and long for a new franchise. I would love nothing more than to see them stay, and I think a new stadium will fill some seats. Shit, of the jags can watch pool side we should be able to get decent seats. I want to get season tickets and start a tailgating tradition, but not in this stadium. I would rather watch at home. It's just a shitty situation.
 

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I'm not sure why so many people think that if they move to LA there are automatically going to be more people coming out to see them. LA has so many other sports around it is ridiculous. Now, I'm not a huge hockey fan, but I know the LA Kings are doing great this year, and I have heard they have had trouble gaining fan support. I'm not even sure how their games are broadcast out there. That's just one example. Granted NHL is not as popular as NFL, but still, there is no guarantee the Rams will all of the sudden have sold out games.

Also, if the Rams continue mediocrity, it seems that there would be even less fans to support them than there is in St. Louis. There are so many other sports in LA that the fans can flock to.

Don't get me wrong, I'll be a Rams fan regardless of where they go. I think it's ridiculous to not support them based on where they are located, but that's just my opinion. That said, I would still prefer to see them stay in St. Louis.
 

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I'm not sure why so many people think that if they move to LA there are automatically going to be more people coming out to see them. LA has so many other sports around it is ridiculous. Now, I'm not a huge hockey fan, but I know the LA Kings are doing great this year, and I have heard they have had trouble gaining fan support. I'm not even sure how their games are broadcast out there. That's just one example. Granted NHL is not as popular as NFL, but still, there is no guarantee the Rams will all of the sudden have sold out games.

Also, if the Rams continue mediocrity, it seems that there would be even less fans to support them than there is in St. Louis. There are so many other sports in LA that the fans can flock to.

Don't get me wrong, I'll be a Rams fan regardless of where they go. I think it's ridiculous to not support them based on where they are located, but that's just my opinion. That said, I would still prefer to see them stay in St. Louis.
The only sport in L.A. that's not in St. Louis is basketball. Now L.A. does have more teams, but more population too. And any city will have problems (but diehards as well) supporting a losing franchise.

But I think L.A. and St. Louis are both great myself. And that said, if this is going to become L.A. vs. St. Louis, then I'm going to let those be my last words on the topic. No one wins a fight that's dumb to have to begin with.
 

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The only sport in L.A. that's not in St. Louis is basketball. Now L.A. does have more teams, but more population too. And any city will have problems (but diehards as well) supporting a losing franchise.

But I think L.A. and St. Louis are both great myself. And that said, if this is going to become L.A. vs. St. Louis, then I'm going to let those be my last words on the topic. No one wins a fight that's dumb to have to begin with.

Yeah it's probably best to stay away from that topic.

On your point of any city supporting a losing franchise, I'm going to have to disagree to an extent. Check this out:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/attendance/_/year/2013/sort/homePct

Teams like Tennessee, Cleveland, Jacksonville, NY Jets, Minnesota, have all been noticeably higher than the Rams for several years. This doesn't really support my point of STL being better than another location, but it shows that you can have a mediocre or bad team and still get the fans out.

Also, make sure it's sorted by PCT. If you go by numbers it's skewed for teams with smaller stadiums. For example, Chicago has one of the smallest, if not the smallest, stadiums so their numbers are low but their PCT is very high.
 

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I'm not sure why so many people think that if they move to LA there are automatically going to be more people coming out to see them. LA has so many other sports around it is ridiculous. Now, I'm not a huge hockey fan, but I know the LA Kings are doing great this year, and I have heard they have had trouble gaining fan support. I'm not even sure how their games are broadcast out there. That's just one example. Granted NHL is not as popular as NFL, but still, there is no guarantee the Rams will all of the sudden have sold out games.

Also, if the Rams continue mediocrity, it seems that there would be even less fans to support them than there is in St. Louis. There are so many other sports in LA that the fans can flock to.

Don't get me wrong, I'll be a Rams fan regardless of where they go. I think it's ridiculous to not support them based on where they are located, but that's just my opinion. That said, I would still prefer to see them stay in St. Louis.

The Kings support around here is real from what I see daily. Don't know about the whole Los Angeles population but everyone around me is supporting them. Remember hockey is not the most popular sport to begin with. Also the games are on TV. As far as the Rams to LA, I'd rather not get into that subject. Obviously I support them in STL and I will continue to support them if they are in LA, Mexico, STL or where ever they end up.

Peace!
 

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Options for St. Louis’ Stadium Issue
As the Rams move toward a season that they hope will result in their first playoff appearance since 2004, there are quiet movements afoot to try and solve the Rams’ stadium issue and get them on the path toward a new facility.

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Rams owner Stan Kroenke

In talking to multiple people involved with the process, there appear to be several prerequisites in place before the process can begin. One is that the Edward Jones Dome needs to remain a viable competitor for events such as NCAA basketball tournament action, college football games and pre-Olympic events like swimming, in addition to being a year-round convention facility. That means that somewhere along the line, improvements to the Dome for those purposes must take place – and be paid for.

Secondly, it seems like a public/private partnership is necessary. Neither the public nor Rams owner Stan Kroenke appear to be enthusiastic about paying the entire bill for a stadium. Floating amid the speculation of a deal between the two sides is the issue of land. Where exactly would this facility stand?

An idea has been set forth to offer Kroenke a parcel of land near the Dome and allow him to join with public entities to build there. An area just north of Laclede’s Landing, bounded by 1st street to the east, Broadway to the west, Mullanphy to the north and Cass Street to the south would easily provide enough space for a stadium, with room east of 1st to the riverfront and west of Broadway to I-70 for parking and development.

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Missouri Governor Jay Nixon

Missouri Governor Jay Nixon recently joined The Fast Lane, and said he likes the model used in Minneapolis. According to Vikings.com, that calls for the Vikings to pay $477 million of the $975 million cost. The team will generate funds from Stadium Builders Licenses, and also get a loan from the NFL to help pay their portion of the costs.

“I think the Minnesota deal is an interesting one to look at, just because, with the G4 program (which provides teams building stadiums a $200 million loan) and the league being involved in that investment, that’s an important part,” Nixon said. “We look at other deals. I talked to Governor Dayton in Minnesota and other governors around the country. You bet we stay in touch with them, making sure we’re balancing the tax payers’ priorities with the desire to be major league cities.”

In Minnesota, the public will pay $498 million, with the state paying $348 million and the city of Minneapolis paying $150 million for its new fixed-roof facility. That money will be generated by bond sales, a portion of convention center taxes, a pull-tab game tax, bingo and a one-time inventory tax on cigarettes that will generate $36 million.

For St. Louis’ purposes, a competitor for the Dome for climate-controlled events doesn’t make sense. So, an outdoor facility – provided improvements to the Dome – would be the preferred path. That would also mean that, unlike Minneapolis, St. Louis wouldn’t be in the running for a Super Bowl and the economic benefit that accompanies it.(Some university studies suggest the impact of a Super Bowl is as low as $30 million. A study commissioned by the city of Indianapolis by Rockport Analytics claimed the Super Bowl there in 2012 brought in $327 million net to the economy, not to mention $89 million in taxes the city wouldn’t have otherwise generated.)

How could something like this be pulled off in St. Louis? Here’s how. Right now, the state of Missouri, the city of St. Louis and St. Louis County pay into the debt for the Edward Jones Dome/America’s Center. The state’s annual bill is $12 million, with the city and county each paying $6 million. Those bonds are scheduled to mature in 2021, when the state, city and county will have paid the facility off. As St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay’s Chief of Staff, Jeff Rainford, told the Post-Dispatch two years ago, the city generates roughly $166 million a year for the time the entire America’s Center is available for conventions – from February to July every year. Conventions are booked years in advance, and with the NFL schedule not coming out until April, St. Louis is shut out of the major convention business from August through January right now.

If those payments currently going to cover the cost of America’s Center – a hotel/motel tax in the county and general tax revenue from the city and state – could be shifted to a new football facility for 20 years, A total of $480 million would be generated. With the Rams in a new facility, America’s Center could perhaps double its convention business and St. Louis’ hospitality revenue from $166 million annually to $333 million. Because of its central location, experts say that St. Louis has become more attractive than ever as a convention site. It’s cheaper to get to, and more people can attend conferences.

If Kroenke and the local governments could agree on a deal that includes $480 million of public money and he and the league covering the rest, a public/private partnership similar to what Minnesota has could be achieved, with no additional cost to any taxpayers and, in theory, a windfall from additional convention business.

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Stan Kroenke and Rams coach Jeff Fisher

The Rams could generate more revenue from a new stadium, and could get more from parking. There’s space for a tailgating lot between 1st street and the riverfront, and a garage could be built on the lot north of the Dome. A walkway across 70, or a tunnel under the highway similar to what Lumiere has, would generate revenue. Kroenke, the nation’s eighth-largest land owner, could redevelop areas west and north of a stadium, along with Laclede’s Landing.

Governor Nixon says, “Two things are clear. One, we’re proud to be an NFL city, (and it’s) great to have a Missouri owner making the kinds of investments with the coach and the staff they need to (provide) the top level of competition, and then secondly we have a long history with that facility (the Edward Jones Dome). The state of Missouri and other local entities own it, and as we move forward we want to make sure we have a venue that can not only hold the Rams but the Final Four and conventions. I think everyone sees that, and are looking for long term commitments all around.

“We stand ready to work if there’s long term commitments around there, and I think making sure that that facility (the Dome) is one that is used year-round and that can attract events other than NFL games is part of the magic of making sure that we get to the appropriate deal.”

This would be a deal that makes sense for everyone. It provides St. Louis and Missouri the chance to generate more revenue from their convention center, to remain a first-class city with first-class sports, and the opportunity to continue to benefit from the presence of the Rams and the NFL. It provides the franchise the opportunity to build the first-tier facility it desires, with more opportunity for revenue generation than exists at the Dome. And it’s in a spot that would provide Kroenke to develop land, enhance a community and make a ton of money in the process.
 
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just out of curiosity, where is that article from. You really should supply a link when posting from outside sources
 

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