2020 Draft Trade Chips

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In the event the Rams feel the need to move up in this draft for whatever reason, be it an X wideout falling into our range or an outright move to get a guy they love into round 1, we are likely talking about losing that round 2 pick we just got for Cooks. Or are we?

Who are the trade chips on their roster, the guys they can do without and more importantly what would they bring in terms of value if the Rams required a small move up?

1. TE Everett. He's probably got more value to us than another team, and him being in a contract year is a good thing for the Rams in terms of expectations, where I am sure he'll leave everything he's got on the field. But the fact is the Rams locked Higs up and Mundt has developed rather nicely into a backup and the blocking role and he might even see some classic FB type usage next season. But what would Everett's value be for another team? Well, probably not too much. Our trade partner would have to be a team that has a TE need but doesn't want to wait for development (Everett might be on the cusp of "arriving" in fact which would make him valuable for said team) and who is also underwhelmed by this TE group (which is indeed underwhelming).

For a team like that, I would guess the best comp we could see would be round 3 value, which on this year's trade chart would be 265 points, and which would get us to pick 29. Now if we're going to be a bit more realistic (which some might still say is too generous) with round 4 value, we would be talking 80 points which would get us to pick 44.

TE positional contract outlook:

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2. RT Havenstein. Like with Everett he has more value to us than another team. That said, he represents an opportunity for a team to get a very good RT at an affordable contract that comes with 3 years of control. And if his play doesn't bounce back the interested team can cut him next offseason for a reasonable cap savings.

Because of his play in 2019 I think his value would be around the round 4 range. Doubtful he brings more than that when this OT group is as good as it is. But that said teams never have enough of the big guys and Hav is one season removed from being just that. And for an example of the way teams feel about these guys look at what Vaitai just got on the market (5 Years $50M). Now, granted, he showed some growth at OG to pair with his OT struggles but still. I think Hav is a reasonably good trade chip for a move up and that round 4 value gives us a rough range up to pick 44.

OL positional contract outlook:

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3. NT Joseph-Day. I really like SJD and the way he fought and scratched his way to the starting job. Rams initially signed Robinson most likely to take the edge off Brockers' loss while upgrading the run defense and DL depth, but with Brock's return it is a certainty Robinson moves in to 1T. This means SJD is a trade chip. Once again he still has value to us in a "run stopping front" where he and Robinson are on the field together, however the Rams do have Gaines as a developing depth NT so there is room to move this value in order to jump in the draft.

As a general rule it seems like the stink of late round pick value hangs around on players, barring those who make big jumps to be high value starters. SJD isn't there quite yet, but he still might get there so I think his valuation would be largely as a run stopping NT of middling value at best. I'm guessing a round 5 compensation in trade due to the lack of upside coupled with two years of control, which would jump us up a very short distance to that 49 range.

DL positional contract outlook:

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4. WR Reynolds. JRey is only a trade chip for a move up that includes a WR as the target IMO. From that perspective I think he is in play if required, because to my eye he's a middling wideout at best and that's assuming he takes advantage of his opportunities in this offense.

Valuation with him is going to be based on him being that middling level player, but teams do need that. And him being schooled by McVay and this offense are favorable too I think, where teams know they can plug him in and at least not worry about a wideout position outside the hashes. What works against him is this WR group, however, so the trade partner would need to be a team that is hell bent on moving down and building the roster, which IMO fits what his value is anyway (he's only going to bring a small move up and the teams who are building tend to be the early round 2 teams). He's a tough one because the combination of the above plus the short team control (1 year) so I'd guess like with SJD you're talking a round 5 comp and a move up potential of only a handful of spots at best (49 is the points correlation).

WR positional contract outlook:

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Well there you have it. If you think I missed a trade chip I'm very interested in hearing it. And I suppose I'm a little interested in hearing how far off I am on my valuations too, as I know that's coming... :ROFLMAO:
 

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Wow I like this @Merlin , did you make it yourself or from a web site?
 

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In the event the Rams feel the need to move up in this draft for whatever reason, be it an X wideout falling into our range or an outright move to get a guy they love into round 1, we are likely talking about losing that round 2 pick we just got for Cooks. Or are we?

Who are the trade chips on their roster, the guys they can do without and more importantly what would they bring in terms of value if the Rams required a small move up?

1. TE Everett. He's probably got more value to us than another team, and him being in a contract year is a good thing for the Rams in terms of expectations, where I am sure he'll leave everything he's got on the field. But the fact is the Rams locked Higs up and Mundt has developed rather nicely into a backup and the blocking role and he might even see some classic FB type usage next season. But what would Everett's value be for another team? Well, probably not too much. Our trade partner would have to be a team that has a TE need but doesn't want to wait for development (Everett might be on the cusp of "arriving" in fact which would make him valuable for said team) and who is also underwhelmed by this TE group (which is indeed underwhelming).

For a team like that, I would guess the best comp we could see would be round 3 value, which on this year's trade chart would be 265 points, and which would get us to pick 29. Now if we're going to be a bit more realistic (which some might still say is too generous) with round 4 value, we would be talking 80 points which would get us to pick 44.

TE positional contract outlook:

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2. RT Havenstein. Like with Everett he has more value to us than another team. That said, he represents an opportunity for a team to get a very good RT at an affordable contract that comes with 3 years of control. And if his play doesn't bounce back the interested team can cut him next offseason for a reasonable cap savings.

Because of his play in 2019 I think his value would be around the round 4 range. Doubtful he brings more than that when this OT group is as good as it is. But that said teams never have enough of the big guys and Hav is one season removed from being just that. And for an example of the way teams feel about these guys look at what Vaitai just got on the market (5 Years $50M). Now, granted, he showed some growth at OG to pair with his OT struggles but still. I think Hav is a reasonably good trade chip for a move up and that round 4 value gives us a rough range up to pick 44.

OL positional contract outlook:

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3. NT Joseph-Day. I really like SJD and the way he fought and scratched his way to the starting job. Rams initially signed Robinson most likely to take the edge off Brockers' loss while upgrading the run defense and DL depth, but with Brock's return it is a certainty Robinson moves in to 1T. This means SJD is a trade chip. Once again he still has value to us in a "run stopping front" where he and Robinson are on the field together, however the Rams do have Gaines as a developing depth NT so there is room to move this value in order to jump in the draft.

As a general rule it seems like the stink of late round pick value hangs around on players, barring those who make big jumps to be high value starters. SJD isn't there quite yet, but he still might get there so I think his valuation would be largely as a run stopping NT of middling value at best. I'm guessing a round 5 compensation in trade due to the lack of upside coupled with two years of control, which would jump us up a very short distance to that 49 range.

DL positional contract outlook:

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4. WR Reynolds. JRey is only a trade chip for a move up that includes a WR as the target IMO. From that perspective I think he is in play if required, because to my eye he's a middling wideout at best and that's assuming he takes advantage of his opportunities in this offense.

Valuation with him is going to be based on him being that middling level player, but teams do need that. And him being schooled by McVay and this offense are favorable too I think, where teams know they can plug him in and at least not worry about a wideout position outside the hashes. What works against him is this WR group, however, so the trade partner would need to be a team that is hell bent on moving down and building the roster, which IMO fits what his value is anyway (he's only going to bring a small move up and the teams who are building tend to be the early round 2 teams). He's a tough one because the combination of the above plus the short team control (1 year) so I'd guess like with SJD you're talking a round 5 comp and a move up potential of only a handful of spots at best (49 is the points correlation).

WR positional contract outlook:

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Well there you have it. If you think I missed a trade chip I'm very interested in hearing it. And I suppose I'm a little interested in hearing how far off I am on my valuations too, as I know that's coming... :ROFLMAO:

Great Information! Thanks for sharing!!!
 

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IMO Havenstein is a key guy to move. Unload his contract and they are immediately in the black with the cap. I don't see them trading away Everett or any of the WRs. I could easily see them moving SJD but his cap impact would be minimal. Anyone watching his film would see his problems and why the Ram's opted for Robinson. SJD was part of the problem with the Rams being soft against the run between the tackles. I never saw Robinson at DE to replace Brockers. I viewed Robinson as having the long term potential of resolving their 1T problem. Gaines can be a capable rotational player behind both AD and Robinson.

IMO bringing back Brockers would seem to indicate that Wade's pick of Okoronkwo isn't looked upon in the same light by Staley. It's going to be interesting to see how Staley uses Brockers because IMO he's the reason Michael was re-signed. When you look at his contract it's basically a 2 year deal by it's structure. Which would indicate to me at least that they intend to draft an edge this year and give him 2 years to develop. The only thing I really question about Ogbo is his lack of speed and he lacks the length you want off the edge. He's got a good first step but his overall lack of speed is of concern IMO. Joey Bosa timed the same but he's a bigger much stronger guy with good technique. Okoronkwo must improve his overall technique if he is to be a starting quality edge player. His metrics are similar to Yannick Ngakoue but he's got to improve to get there.

I see their priorities in this draft as edge, RB and OLB.
 

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Could probably add Troy Hill as CBs always have value. Plus he saves $3M off the cap.

Of course the Rams would have to be very confident in Long/ Williams/Deayon and then draft a guy in the mid rounds.
 

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Any player in their contract year that the rams feel they may not sign should be considered. So that could me someone like JJ
 

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In the event the Rams feel the need to move up in this draft for whatever reason, be it an X wideout falling into our range or an outright move to get a guy they love into round 1, we are likely talking about losing that round 2 pick we just got for Cooks. Or are we?

Who are the trade chips on their roster, the guys they can do without and more importantly what would they bring in terms of value if the Rams required a small move up?
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Well there you have it. If you think I missed a trade chip I'm very interested in hearing it. And I suppose I'm a little interested in hearing how far off I am on my valuations too, as I know that's coming... :ROFLMAO:

No great insight on trade or draft chips that might be needed, but I like your premise that suggests we should at least be seriously considering the potential to trade up. If we do, I personally doubt it would be into the first round; more likely higher into the second if a player we really want falls out of the first, such as one of the top RBs, WRs or centers. And that could happen.
 

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Wow I like this @Merlin , did you make it yourself or from a web site?
Just put it together wasn't difficult lol. Figured we've nuked everything else thanks to social distancing so why not make sure we're prepared for who we might be moving still eh? :LOL:
 

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Could probably add Troy Hill as CBs always have value. Plus he saves $3M off the cap.

Of course the Rams would have to be very confident in Long/ Williams/Deayon and then draft a guy in the mid rounds.
Good call. He would especially be valuable if we wanted to move up for a corner I'd think. (y)
 

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You never know with Snead and McVay on draft day. I wish we had more information on Havenstein but, it was noted here that he was overweight and looked at of shape in camp IIRC. I haven't been feeling a trade would be beneficial to the Rams. These players represent solid depth when practice and training camp may be limited this year. The Rams have not had a lot of depth on both lines of late. I like the depth and competition. It's nice to know the options just in case.
 

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Yes, good call on Hill as it puts a big dent in their cap deficit and possibly gets them a 3rd 2nd rounder. Put Troy in a zone defense and he will probably be a good pickup for someone. He's definitely a fit for someone like the Chargers that play a lot of 2 deep shell. Plus Troy won't have to move. LOL In reality, the Chargers would be a logical place to shop Hill as they have had problems with depth in their secondary.

They also need OT's so shopping both Havenstein and Hill to the same out of conference team makes perfect sense. That probably would give them $5-$6M in cap space.
 

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I would love to see Rams flip HAV and Troy Hill for anything in the 2nd-4th. In theory...We could use our 2 2nd rounders to trade up for Josh Jones if he slips a bit which would shore up LT for the next 10 years and use whatever picks we can get to fill holes at Edge, Center/Guard, WR, HB...

Also excited at Snead even trading down and getting an extra pick or two...I think Snead has some tricks up his sleeves...
 

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I don't know about the Hill ill. He has a decent contract that increases if he plays 52.5% of defensive snaps at $3Mil. I don't see him getting traded. He is the Rams starter and they aren't that rich with depth at CB.
 

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I don't know about the Hill ill. He has a decent contract that increases if he plays 52.5% of defensive snaps at $3Mil. I don't see him getting traded. He is the Rams starter and they aren't that rich with depth at CB.

Agreed. I don't get why everyone is always willing to trade away players that have proven they can play in the NFL, that have reasonable contracts. You can never have enough CBs. Every player has his price, of course, but Hill should stay unless someone gives us an offer we can't refuse. Which I do not see happening as, he does not have big "name recognition".
 

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Just put it together wasn't difficult lol. Figured we've nuked everything else thanks to social distancing so why not make sure we're prepared for who we might be moving still eh? :LOL:
Lol Very true. Everett and Havenstein might want to be put on notice and get some boxes. Those two are the most obvious guys that could go. This pos social distancing! :(
 

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Agreed. I don't get why everyone is always willing to trade away players that have proven they can play in the NFL, that have reasonable contracts. You can never have enough CBs. Every player has his price, of course, but Hill should stay unless someone gives us an offer we can't refuse. Which I do not see happening as, he does not have big "name recognition".
Well, its kind of hard trying to trade players that can't play in the NFL. Otherwise I would trade my son for a #2.

Seriously, I look at it as Hill has one yr left at 3M.

He, like other CBs, will get overpaid next yr and likely won't be back.

So if you can clear $3M of cap space this yr, and add a pick, or use him to move up and get a more valuable player at a need position, why would you not do it?

Lets say you can package him and #52, and move up for the #1 center (Ruiz). Would you do that?

Or lets say he gets you a #4. You package that along with your 6th, and it gets you a late 3. Then you use that pick to get the edge rusher that you had to pass over for another player earlier. Or maybe a RB or WR before the run on those positions runs dry. Or a pass rushing DL that is still there.

Point is you can make the most of your roster in terms of adding young talent on a cheap contract, while clearing cap room by moving a 1 yr player.
 

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I love to speculate like the rest, but letting Hill or Everett, or Haverstein go is ridiculous. Why we are thin at all three positions to begin with. None will fetch anything of real value not to mention the whole it leaves.


I have no problem letting players - go I am not happy about seeing Fowler/Littleton go due to $ but I get it. I hate to see us lose Gurley and Cooks due to cost/injury considerations, but shit happens, but to trade away inexpensive players who are playing pretty good for a unknown quantity like the 5th or 6th best Tackle off the draft board as an example like Jones is ludicris to me. I am not a super fan of taking guys that there has been a huge run on the position in front of them. Historically thode players don't usually succeed. I understand in some instances it is trading a player for a longer term and a cheaper rookie contract but the downside is the player could be a outright bust or may need 1/2 years to develop him and if he comes from the second round on he has a 4 year contract. So maybe you get a strong 1-2 years out of him if he is not a bust and gets coaching. Is that really so much better than keeping a known commodity? We just hurt that position initially for 1/2 years or like I said what if the drafted is a bust?

Lastly what does this say about the Rams - it says we are in a rebuilding mode not a retooling mode imo.

Only good trade assets outside of the two untouchables Goff and AD are Ramsey, Kupp and Higby and again all you do is create another hole.

See for the Cooks trade it doesn't bother me because we have really solid TE play and Reynolds so that was okay even though I loved Cooks.
 

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I don't know about the Hill ill. He has a decent contract that increases if he plays 52.5% of defensive snaps at $3Mil. I don't see him getting traded. He is the Rams starter and they aren't that rich with depth at CB.

Hill is the kind of player you hold on to. He fills a key role, well, at a fair price.
 

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Hill is the kind of player you hold on to. He fills a key role, well, at a fair price.
True. But the way I see Hill used would be in the event an impact round 1 type corner slides and they want to jump a little bit and take him.

Hill on the cheap is nice and all but pairing a young stud corner with Ramsey would be better. There is no telling which top group player on the Rams board will slide so they should be ready to move up if necessary and sieze the day as it were.