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I received this question from an honor society club to which I belong, and so I gave this long winded answer. I have almost nothing in common with the member there except maybe grade point averages. Football is not discussed and I feel like everyone is so careful in how they interact and network with each other, and I'm just the booger head who snuck in through the back door...lol.

I was a tour bus driver for many years before returning to college decades after high school. I used to specialize in cross country tours starting in New York City and ending on the Santa Monica Pier in California.

What did I learn?

I learned that driving in eastern big cities like New York, you have to be aggressive if you need to get in the correct lane headed for the Lincoln tunnel. You have to ignore years of defensive driving learned in the West, and just start moving over without a turn signal. Turn signals are treated as a weakness on freeways like those near New York City, and the other drivers will speed up to prevent you from getting in front of them, which is especially true if you are driving a large vehicle. Contrasting Seattle with NYC, I have been in a fast lane (I-5) in tight traffic with my turn signal on and I was effortlessly allowed over 5 lanes to make an exit within a mile from when I first realized the need. There is a lesson here which I will leave my gentle readers to consider.

I've learned that interacting with my foreign passengers was more meaningful than maybe even visiting their home cities. I have been a tourist in Canada, Mexico, Germany, and the Republic of Georgia and have found that it's hard to break through in big cities to common people unless in unique circumstances, like staying in a friends home instead of a hotel. I used to drive summertime cross country tours, composed of passengers from the United Kingdom, New Zealand, and Australia and we shared the experience over the length of the tour (23 days). I remember dropping off my passengers at the World War II Memorial in Washington DC and having an elderly passenger from Scotland who wouldn't get off to see the memorial. She thought they were the foolishness of a young country and would rather stay in her cushioned seat. She said "if we had a memorial in our country for every war, there would be no room for anything else!" It was an amusing perspective of which I had never considered.

I remember receiving a hard time from my New Zealand passengers when I made the faux pau of saying that their country was located "just off the African coast." I received a map of the world at the end of the tour, with New Zealand highlighted (lol).

When I drove LDS history tours in Vermont, New York and Pennsylvania, I saw the humor and humanity of a mysterious religious group (to me) in those first tours, which was gratifying. One particular guy espied my drinking a fully caffienated diet Dr Pepper, who negotiated one of them from me on the sly. It was like we were doing a drug deal, because LDS doctrine proscribes the consumption of caffienated beverages. Considering that it was a LDS tour of seminary teachers, it was especially humorous to me. Knowing these people away from the image of bicycle riding missionaries in black dress slacks, white shirts and ties was interesting, as I found most of them to be the salt of the earth.

I was involved with the evacuation of New Orleans after hurricane Katrina. Hundreds of tour bus drivers slept in their idling tour buses, waiting for the chance to evacuate the Super Dome. Ten of us got the call and we lined up behind the escort national guard vehicles. We were told to keep tightly bunched behind the lead vehicle, and so we drove through deserted suburban streets, past storm damaged buildings and dead traffic signals at speeds of up to 60 mph. We slowed while approaching the bridge crossing the Mississippi river from the south, and saw soldiers dressed in battle fatigues, guarding the approach with M-16's. We crossed the bridge and saw the hurricane battered Super Dome as the dominate feature of the city, with a blacked roof without its gleaming tiles. We drove toward it and exited just before the overpass where civilians wandered and died for lack of food and water. It was eerie entering the city, driving in streets with a foot of water and people wandering aimlessly with the possessions they carried while holding the leashes of beloved pets. We pulled around, and positioned our buses in a line and then waited for our turn. In this line of buses, a mother and her child were wandering within twenty yards of the line and then she helped her daughter urinate within sight of us all. There is little modesty in such situations and I felt so bad for them both. When it was my turn, I pulled the bus up to the spot and opened my doors. National Guard troops brought boxes of MRE and packs of bottled water and placed them on the front seats, throwing cardboard boxes and plastic packaging in the water....floating down the street. The people came from the darkness of the Dome and had to walk through a foot of nasty water in order to board my bus, as I welcomed them aboard with a smile, an MRE and a bottle of water (first food and water in 24 hours, because they had to stay in line to get out). In my mind, I would treat them as well as any passenger I had every transported.

They had the first air conditioning since the storm and I provided movies for them to watch as we drove toward Texas. We left the city in groups of five buses without knowing where we were going, until a transfer point in the care of the Louisiana State Highway Patrol. Many on the bus assumed we were headed for Houston because that is where weakened family members had gone the day before. I was told to not stop my bus at any time and to keep in formation...as we headed for Dallas (oh my). We made it across the Texas border and were guided into the first Texas Rest Area more than five hours later. I was never so proud of my country as I was then, as the Rest Area was set up with food stands from various restaurants and a triage tent for those who were sick or injured. As I helped at the bus door, giving a hand to the weakened passengers, I received the best compliment in a 17 year driving career: "You know how to treat people." It was from a poor elderly African American man with whom I held almost nothing in common. I am as proud with that moment as any award I ever received, including graduating Summa Cum Laude from Emporia State University last December.

I'm sorry to be so long winded.
 

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More than anything, kind of no matter where you are traveling under normal conditions.....1) don't be loud or obnoxious....2) don't get so drunk or impaired its leads to number one....3) learn a few words in the native tongue, please and thank you among them....4) have a basic grasp of local money customs, do you tip? For what and how much?....5) be patient, smile and have a sense of humor.
Act this way and you will treated pretty well almost anywhere you travel in my experience.
 

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I was a tour bus driver for many years before returning to college decades after high school. I used to specialize in cross country tours starting in New York City and ending on the Santa Monica Pier in California.
Wow....that's quite a route. How long (in days) would that trip run? Do they still have those cross-country tours?

More than anything, kind of no matter where you are traveling under normal conditions.....1) don't be loud or obnoxious....2) don't get so drunk or impaired its leads to number one....3) learn a few words in the native tongue, please and thank you among them....4) have a basic grasp of local money customs, do you tip? For what and how much?....5) be patient, smile and have a sense of humor.
Act this way and you will treated pretty well almost anywhere you travel in my experience.

Great words to live by - the few times I've travelled outside the US, I stayed mindful to not come off like the stereotypical "ugly American". And yes, I pretty much stuck to your list and had a great time wherever I went.
 

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1. Everyone thinks their town as the worst drivers in the country.

2. Offensive driving is just as important as defensive.

3. People watching at airports is hilarious AF.

4. Flying is awful. Give me a road trip any day of the week.

5. Be smart when traveling overseas.

6. The world isn't as scary as the TSA makes it out to be.
 

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I'm sorry to be so long winded.
Not at all. Interesting stuff. And you are right about talking to people that are here from other lands. But we have also found it easy to get to talking to people in other countries if you get in front of regular people that are not dealing with tourists all day long.

More than anything, kind of no matter where you are traveling under normal conditions.....1) don't be loud or obnoxious....2) don't get so drunk or impaired its leads to number one....3) learn a few words in the native tongue, please and thank you among them....4) have a basic grasp of local money customs, do you tip? For what and how much?....5) be patient, smile and have a sense of humor.
Act this way and you will treated pretty well almost anywhere you travel in my experience.
Good list but I would add - Find out where the locals eat. Not necessarily where they party or drink (though that can be fun or at least an experience in itself) but where they like to eat. Food makes people feel good. We have found that the locals like to talk to outsiders if they are there to share a meal.

When we were in the Bahamas for example, we asked the concierge at the hotel where he and his family go to eat. He kept starting down the list of tourist places and I kept interrupting him, "no - where YOU like to go eat." After a few runs at it the light came on. He had given his run down to so many tourists that he was just on auto pilot. Finally, he directed us to a couple places. The first was a little place that you actually had to cross through the front of a wrecking yard, roll open a chain link gate, go through it and close it behind you. The restaurant was in the back corner. We walked through the doors and just like in a movie, everyone stopped talking. We smiled at the lady behind the counter, looked at the chalk board that had two main menu items and a couple beers listed and ordered. People went about their conversations and we found a couple chairs. The food was amazing and a great price and before long, people were including us in their conversations. We liked the place and the people so much we ended up going back almost every day we were there. Kind of a funny aside - my wife generally wears sundresses and skirts any time we go to a tropical destination. So about the 4th or 5th time we went there, the lady behind the counter (always the same one) looks up as we come in and in a loud boisterous voice exclaims, "Hey, It's Skirts................ annnd her husband!" We all had a laugh and then we sat down and went on to bullshit with everyone.

BTW the other place was a little shack across the alley from the main tourist hotel. It was open air with a metal roof. The guy had a couple large woks with oil in them on propane burners and a couple large ice filled troughs with Groupers and conch in them. He served two things - Fry Fish, and Conch Ceviche and generally they came with a side of plantains. Not really much conversation there but the best Fry Fish on the island. The guy working the place gave us several tips on beaches and where we could snorkel in between dive days. Great food and no obnoxious tourists - gotta love it.
 

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Not at all. Interesting stuff. And you are right about talking to people that are here from other lands. But we have also found it easy to get to talking to people in other countries if you get in front of regular people that are not dealing with tourists all day long.


Good list but I would add - Find out where the locals eat. Not necessarily where they party or drink (though that can be fun or at least an experience in itself) but where they like to eat. Food makes people feel good. We have found that the locals like to talk to outsiders if they are there to share a meal.

When we were in the Bahamas for example, we asked the concierge at the hotel where he and his family go to eat. He kept starting down the list of tourist places and I kept interrupting him, "no - where YOU like to go eat." After a few runs at it the light came on. He had given his run down to so many tourists that he was just on auto pilot. Finally, he directed us to a couple places. The first was a little place that you actually had to cross through the front of a wrecking yard, roll open a chain link gate, go through it and close it behind you. The restaurant was in the back corner. We walked through the doors and just like in a movie, everyone stopped talking. We smiled at the lady behind the counter, looked at the chalk board that had two main menu items and a couple beers listed and ordered. People went about their conversations and we found a couple chairs. The food was amazing and a great price and before long, people were including us in their conversations. We liked the place and the people so much we ended up going back almost every day we were there. Kind of a funny aside - my wife generally wears sundresses and skirts any time we go to a tropical destination. So about the 4th or 5th time we went there, the lady behind the counter (always the same one) looks up as we come in and in a loud boisterous voice exclaims, "Hey, It's Skirts................ annnd her husband!" We all had a laugh and then we sat down and went on to bullcrap with everyone.

BTW the other place was a little shack across the alley from the main tourist hotel. It was open air with a metal roof. The guy had a couple large woks with oil in them on propane burners and a couple large ice filled troughs with Groupers and conch in them. He served two things - Fry Fish, and Conch Ceviche and generally they came with a side of plantains. Not really much conversation there but the best Fry Fish on the island. The guy working the place gave us several tips on beaches and where we could snorkel in between dive days. Great food and no obnoxious tourists - gotta love it.
That's awesome!!
I was traveling down into Baja Mexico years ago....way down into Baja. We drove pretty much for a day and a half straight, just stopping for gas as we brought "road trip" food with us. We were following my new father in law down there to a cabin he owned. There was a cluster of about 10 cabins just up from a beach owned mostly by Canadians and Americans. We were driving on the dirt road....past where it stopped on the map....we came upon a sign that said Coco's Place. Hand painted on an old piece of wood. About 100 yards later there was a old beat up single wide trailer. It was about 2 am at this point. My father in law explained that this old guy, Coco, was sort of the "gate keeper" to the beach area where the cabins were. So, had to stop. About 10 minutes later this old guy shuffles down with a couple of plates of home made desserts and brandy. Amazing stuff. So, we ate some and drank some brandy and chatted for awhile....gave him some cash and went on to the cabins.
The place was totally cut off from everything. No tv, no cell phone reception, not even a radio station. We were the only ones there so we had both beaches to ourselves. Go out and fish for breakfast and lunch....fishing was amazing. At low tide there was a clam bed you go dig up clams etc. Just an amazing place with no people at all.
So, the "old folks" would go to one beach and me and my girlfriend would go to the other beach as everyone, at this point, would just strip down if they wanted to swim.
After two weeks when it was time to leave we brought in several cases of canned food, some big bags of rice and pasta, several cases of beer and a couple bottles of booze.....the deal was if left these and left you place unlocked the people who lived in the hills wouldn't mess with you place. If you didn't leave anything for them they would trash your cabin. Truth is I always suspected the only "bandito" out there was old Coco.
 

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Wow....that's quite a route. How long (in days) would that trip run? Do they still have those cross-country tours?
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Yes. It was 20 days and Globus is the international tour company. here is the actual itinerary as I remember it.
Day One: New York-Philadelphia-Washington DC (Independence Hall, Liberty Bell, Wash DC Night Tour)
Day Two: Washington DC (one your own with Smithsonian Museums)
Day Three: Washington DC - Niagara Falls, Ontario (Travel day, Tour of Falls, Canada Side)
Day Four: Niagara Falls, Ontario - Detroit, MI (Travel Day)
Day Five: Detroit, MI - Chicago, IL (Visit Ford Museum before leaving, then night tour of Chicago)
Day Six: Chicago, IL (On own/shopping Magnificent Mile, Day Tour Hancock Building, Sears Tower, Navy Pier)
Day Seven: Chicago, IL- Minneapolis, MN (travel day, dinner cruise paddle boat from St Paul)
Day Eight: Minneapolis, MN (Shopping at Mall of America, downtown on own)
Day Nine: Minneapolis, MN - Steele, SD (Longest travel day, Corn Palace, quick tour of SD Capitol, drink beer)
Day Ten: Steele, SD - Custer, SD (Badlands, Wall Drug, Mt Rushmore, Crazy Horse)
Day Eleven: Custer SD - Cody, WY (white water rafting upon arrival after check in)
Day Twelve: Cody, WY to Yellowstone National Park (visit Buffalo Bill Cody Museum, Take grand tour counterclockwise, stay overnight near Old Faithful)
Day Thirteen: Yellowstone National Park - Salt lake City, Utah (tour Great Salt Lake Temple and eat at Lion House Pantry, which was Brigham Young's house next to Temple. Drink Polygamy Porter)
Day Fourteen: Salt Lake City, UT - Bryce Canyon-Cedar City, UT (tour Bryce Canyon National Park)
Day Fifteen: Cedar City- Zion National Park-North Rim of Grand Canyon, AZ - Tour Zion National Park and then stay overnight next to Canyon in rustic cabins.
Day Sixteen: Grand Canyon, AZ to Las Vegas, NV - (Night tour of Vegas Casinos on the strip and downtown)
Day Seventeen: Freakin' Vegas, baby! (Stay at either the Hard Rock or Imperial Plaza Hotel/Casino on strip)
Day Eighteen: Las Vegas, NV to Los Angeles, CA: (visit Calico Ghost Town, check in hotel and then go to Comedy Store that night)
Day Nineteen: Los Angeles, CA. (visit Grauman's Chinese Theater and Walk of Fame/stars, Visit Santa Monica Pier and eat at Bubba Gump's Shrimp Restaurant).
Day Twenty: Tour more of LA early, visit Universal Studios. End of Tour.
 

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What has Travel Taught You?

I have traveled domestically to so many cities and states that I won't go into that.

One thing I learned at an early age was that people will be kind to you if you are in the Midwest. I spent several months hitchhiking all over the USA from Ohio to Wisconsin to Colorado to Florida then back to Ohio. It is a fantastic story and someday I will put down some highlights.

Southern Hospitality is not really a thing unless you are from that state too.

People who live in big metro areas are generally rude. Minneapolis is the exception.

I could go on but not right now.

Good list but I would add - Find out where the locals eat. Not necessarily where they party or drink (though that can be fun or at least an experience in itself) but where they like to eat. Food makes people feel good. We have found that the locals like to talk to outsiders if they are there to share a meal.

Yes for sure you have to do that and I have always done that on several trips to Mexico, the Bahamas and a handful to Jamaica.

The tourist spots as OK, but the real local flavor and best food is where the locals eat by far and I have had some similar experiences thatyou have had.

We walked through the doors and just like in a movie, everyone stopped talking.

Yeah that's happened to me in rural Kentucky too. Not Just Mexico and Jamaica LOL.
 

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What has travel taught me?

  • If you are in the military and able to travel in your youth, enjoy it. You may never get back there again.
  • Just like when you are in restaurant- you eat what they are known for, go the places that location in the world is known for. (For example, when you are in Sydney, docked right next to the Opera House for a week, pop in and check it out. Don't just go to the bars, and the topless beaches over at Manley Beach every day. :whistle: )
  • Never let your sons girlfriend watch your dog while you are out of town for a week. :(
 

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Just like when you are in restaurant- you eat what they are known for, go the places that location in the world is known for
Wow. Great point. Don’t go into a place that is known for a dish and ask them to add or leave something off. Are you fucking kidding me? GTFO and NOW! I get dietary issues as my wife has them. But if you can’t eat it the way they are famous for serving it, IT WON’T BE WHAT THEY ARE FAMOUS FOR!!! And news flash... if you don’t like it, don’t go rating it. YOU fucked it up! Sorry... as a restaurateur I hate these wannabe food critics that either complain about something that should be on your menu or complain when you didn’t prepare something THEIR way. The restaurant got the acclaim because they generally put their heart and soul into a dish that is served how THEY designed it. You change it - that is on you.
 

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Wow. Great point. Don’t go into a place that is known for a dish and ask them to add or leave something off. Are you freaking kidding me? GTFO and NOW! I get dietary issues as my wife has them. But if you can’t eat it the way they are famous for serving it, IT WON’T BE WHAT THEY ARE FAMOUS FOR!!! And news flash... if you don’t like it, don’t go rating it. YOU freaked it up! Sorry... as a restaurateur I hate these wannabe food critics that either complain about something that should be on your menu or complain when you didn’t prepare something THEIR way. The restaurant got the acclaim because they generally put their heart and soul into a dish that is served how THEY designed it. You change it - that is on you.
As long as there are no onions, black olives, or sardines and has barbeque sauce on it..TOTALLY AGREE!:rockon:
 

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Wow. Great point. Don’t go into a place that is known for a dish and ask them to add or leave something off. Are you freaking kidding me? GTFO and NOW! I get dietary issues as my wife has them. But if you can’t eat it the way they are famous for serving it, IT WON’T BE WHAT THEY ARE FAMOUS FOR!!! And news flash... if you don’t like it, don’t go rating it. YOU freaked it up! Sorry... as a restaurateur I hate these wannabe food critics that either complain about something that should be on your menu or complain when you didn’t prepare something THEIR way. The restaurant got the acclaim because they generally put their heart and soul into a dish that is served how THEY designed it. You change it - that is on you.
Preach it! ....well. One minor exception. I had a buddy stop off at some dive going through Oregon a few years back, and ordered the “Stu Stew”.

Dude had to pull off at every rest stop on his way down the 5.
 

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Preach it! ....well. One minor exception. I had a buddy stop off at some dive going through Oregon a few years back, and ordered the “Stu Stew”.

Dude had to pull off at every rest stop on his way down the 5.
Wonder what that was. Never made anything called that at my place and never heard of it. Did he ask for it with extra Visene or was he just an ass and they slipped it in there as a special ad?:cool:
 

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Wonder what that was. Never made anything called that at my place and never heard of it. Did he ask for it with extra Visene or was he just an ass and they slipped it in there as a special ad?:cool:
Probably just some cake eater with a weak stomach. Couldn’t handle your man-grub. :cheers:
 

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As long as there are no onions, black olives, or sardines and has barbeque sauce on it..TOTALLY AGREE!:rockon:
If it does either don’t order it or take what the offer and shaddup! Just my advice. (y)
 

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If it does either don’t order it or take what the offer and shaddup! Just my advice. (y)
It’s like my take on the old adage “real men don’t eat quiche”. I say “real men eat whatever they are served.”
 

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It’s like my take on the old adage “real men don’t eat quiche”. I say “real men eat whatever they are served.”
Well, this real man doesn't like to puke after eating a meal..or even when it gets to the back of his throat. It is, what it is.