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Mister Sin

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anyone else having an issue getting into this season? I almost fell asleep last night. There isn't much mystery yet. I feel it coming now after the way it ended, but I'm not sure I'll tune in next weekend.
 

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I know that I'm in the minority by a huge margin but I actually like it better than season 1. It's a slow moving show. The plots are complicated. It's a show more about characters than anything else.

And after last night's WTF just happened ending I'm hooked.
 

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Last night's episode got me intrigued. The first episode not so much, but I am definitely going to watch.
 

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I'm going to give it another week or two, but so far, I don't like it much. The first week was a cluster of random characters all spinning their wheels. This week was (to me) just a long line of every cliche cop drama there is. The compromised guy with baggage who gets involved with the bad guys--the tough spunky chick cop with daddy issues--the shady city big wig who secretly pulls the strings. I was waiting for Danny Glover to show up and tell us how he's too old for this shit. I much prefer Rust Kohl's elaborations on what is and what isn't and that one girl with the perfect boobs.
 

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I almost fell asleep during the first episode. I'll watch last nights tonight likely after the Dodger game.
 

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so far it hasnt grabbed my attention yet... found myself flipping channels last night
 

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This week was (to me) just a long line of every cliche cop drama there is. The compromised guy with baggage who gets involved with the bad guys--the tough spunky chick cop with daddy issues--the shady city big wig who secretly pulls the strings. I was waiting for Danny Glover to show up and tell us how he's too old for this crap.

In future episodes we'll also get the car chase and the hostage scene which unimaginative Hollywood screen writers always have to throw in.
 

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Not as impressed.

The first season full on creeped me out. The ritualistic killings. The Nietzschean Rust Cole's monologues. That creepy LA cinematography. And the interaction between MM and Woody.

The 3 story lines from 3 different cops kinda muddles the plot imo. Find myself not connecting or caring for any of them. And I was hoping Vince Vaughn would be more a true, super creepy villain. He's kind of a pushover wimp.

Ferrell is the only interesting one of the lot, but even then.

that one girl with the perfect boobs.

Alexandra Daddario. What perfect tits those were.

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Yes those were pretty damn great. But I agree that the 3 stories are simply 3 glacial paced plot lines that aren't entertaining me at all. Vince Vaughn is a complicating bad guy. It's just not for me
 

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Bump......

This story is becoming a snooze fest. I don't give a shit about VV's storyline. It's boring the shit out of me.

I honestly didn't wake up until the big shootout, which may have been too little too late in just adding...something.

I'd rather just see Ferrell and McAdams angst it out. Kitsch's character just seems out of place and useless, ultimately, to the entire investigation.

I'm getting super bummed out after having been entranced from the get go in season 1.
 

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Bump......

This story is becoming a snooze fest. I don't give a crap about VV's storyline. It's boring the crap out of me.

I honestly didn't wake up until the big shootout, which may have been too little too late in just adding...something.

I'd rather just see Ferrell and McAdams angst it out. Kitsch's character just seems out of place and useless, ultimately, to the entire investigation.

I'm getting super bummed out after having been entranced from the get go in season 1.
I purposely didn't watch last week. I just don't care. I tried. But I don't care. Sad, because I would have watched the first season for several more.
 

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I didn't watch. They lost me
 

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My wife and I got about 30 secs into the third episode when she piped up and said she couldn't be arsed with it anymore so we switched off and I can't say I was upset.

All of the characters were so troubled and flawed. I get that it's supposed to be dark but there was some humour in the first series when watching Woody Harrelson trying to make sense of his new partner.

Plus you cared about Harrelson and McConaghey (spelling is almost certainly wrong). Especially when McConaghey was talking about his late daughter in what I think was the last episode.
 

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The worst part is the crappy background music when Vaughn and Farrell are meeting in that bar. WTH is that all about?
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http://bgr.com/2015/07/14/true-detective-season-2-review-part-1/

‘True Detective’ season 2 is a flat circle
By Jacob Siegal

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In the first season of True Detective, the hook was instantaneous.

You put Matthew McConaughey and Woody Harrelson in front of a brutal, ritualistic murder scene and you’ve got yourself an audience — it’s as simple as that.True Detective was so unexpected and so in tune with its viewers that even its frequent stumbles weren’t enough to pull (most of) us out of its universe.

I was going to solve the mystery, regardless of the path HBO and creator Nic Pizzolatto wanted to take me down.

For season two, Pizzolatto threw out the baby with the bath water. Just as he had defied expectations by making True Detective a success in the first place, he was going to rework the show from the ground up for its second season — a new cast, a new setting, a new mystery and an entirely different style.

What he forgot to do was throw us a rope.

Even as Rust and Marty were tripping the light fantastic through season one, we always had the overarching mystery to grasp on to. Much like in Lost, the storyline and the characters were working hand-in-hand to get us from point A to point B, rather than one dragging the other along.

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In season two, we’ve become so entangled in the internal struggles of our four main characters that the plot hasn’t been given any room to breathe. A man died at the beginning of the season, but until Sunday night, not much more had happened.

Let’s quickly recap the plot:

  • Highway patrol officer Paul Woodrugh (Taylor Kitsch) finds the corpse of Vinci city manager Ben Caspere while on a suicidal ride in the middle of the night, shortly after the man had been reported missing. Vinci detective Ray Velcoro (Colin Farrell) and Ventura County sheriff’s detective Ani Bezzerides (Rachel McAdams) are assigned to the case.
  • On the other side of the law, career criminal Frank Semyon (Vince Vaughn) life is crumbling around him. After years of corruption, intimidation and racketeering, Semyon and his wife were ready to turn a new leaf, with Caspere in tow as a business partner. Upon his death, cracks begin to appear in the foundation of Semyon’s plan, and before long, his uneasy relationships with former associates turn sour.
In the four hours since then, we haven’t made much progress.

Paul has been struggling with his sexual identity, Ani hasn’t been able to make peace with her family, Frank has threatened, beaten and harassed every bit part player on the show, and as much as his character has shifted direction over the last four weeks, I’m beginning to think Ray has contracted dissociative identity disorder.

Character building is vital, especially with an ensemble cast this large, but I’m having trouble seeing the forest for the endless trees of regret and anguish, uncertainty and despair. I thought we might have turned a corner when episode 3 kicked off with what looked like a classic Special Agent Dale Cooper dream sequence, but before long, it was back to business as usual.

The fourth episode, officially marking the halfway point through the eight-episode season, was even more plodding than the third. Frank sulked (following more bad news regarding his business), Paul cursed (after having his bike stolen post-hookup), Ani had her feathers ruffled (when she was suspended from the sheriff’s office for having a relationship with a subordinate) and is anyone else noticing that Ray’s eyes seem to be getting wider with each passing episode?

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When story and characters coalesce, it’s hard not to feel the weight of every action and reaction. In the second season of True Detective, the story and the characters are running alongside one another, only intersecting at pivotal, violent and explosive moments. On Sunday, that moment was the shocking firefight, one in which a good chunk of the supporting cast was seemingly exterminated within minutes.

It was brutal, it was fast, it was meaningful and it changed the landscape of the season. What it didn’t do was give the story the shove it needed — at least, if it did, we won’t find out until next week.

At this point, with only four episodes to go, I’m beginning to come to terms with the fact that Pizzolatto didn’t want to try to live up to anyone’s expectations this season. He said countless times before the season aired that he had said everything he needed to say about the occult. He made it clear early on that he wasn’t interested in exploring Rust and Marty any further than he already had.

But that didn’t mean he had to drop the mystery entirely.

I’m not going to stop watching True Detective, mainly because the performances of both Colin Farrell and Rachel McAdams have been outstanding in every episode HBO has aired. That said, I’m skeptical that we’ll be able to look back and claim that any of these characters had a satisfying arc over the course of the season’s eight episodes.

I’ll check back in next month to see if Pizzolatto has proven me wrong.
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It is, can I say it ... boring.
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Boring and confusing.
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Pizzolatto needs an editor.
 

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Yes those were pretty damn great. But I agree that the 3 stories are simply 3 glacial paced plot lines that aren't entertaining me at all. Vince Vaughn is a complicating bad guy. It's just not for me
I like a slow building plot line and no CGI or other trickery to visually stimulate me. Exposition was a big part of the first season too and both Matt and Woody were very flawed characters as well. Rachel is doing a great job and Colin's character seems to still be developing. I have never been a Vince Vaughn fan and that is a tough role. The series is all about character development. The music is a bit strange, however in those scenes in the club the color of the walls and the booth along with the absence of art and other normal set decoration is intended to make you feel uncomfortable and add to the drama same for the directors choice for lack of movement and other directorial styles I won't bore you with (I know to late). The production value is top notch Again.
With that being said the acting in season 1 was superb and Matt and Woody's relationship had so many layers. In the end great story telling is about great characters and well executed exposition. I to do not believe it is up to the standard set during the first season and VV will have a tough job hooking me but I am certainly going to follow it through.
 

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Oh, well listen to the fella with his own IMBD page lol. I enjoy slow plots as well, and last season was great. This season is just to all over the place. @rdlkgliders i didn't even know u watched it.
 

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I watch it @El Juggernauto I am a huge fan of the stand alone season concept and I try to give many different shows a look. I like the way the BBC is producing dramas right now I think they are doing a great job. To many shows come out of the gate with tremendous momentum and a catch but as soon as the reveal we are left with a serial going nowhere. In the end high production value and great character development (writing) create longevity. Good to see you around Tim