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Time for Rams to Finally Repair Offensive Line
By Randy Karraker

http://www.101sports.com/2015/03/16/time-for-rams-to-finally-repair-offensive-line/

At the end of the 2014 NFL season, the Rams had one of the best front sevens in football, and an offensive line that clearly was deficient and needed reinforcement, if not rebuilding.

Nearly a week into free agency, the Rams have added linebacker Akeem Ayers and defensive tackle Nick Fairly to their front seven, flipped quarterback Sam Bradford to Philadelphia for Nick Foles, and re-signed wide receiver Kenny Britt and tight end Lance Kendricks. Notable by its absence in the transaction listings for the Rams is any mention of additions to the offensive line. In fairness, the Rams may have made additions by the subtraction of injury-plagued tackle Jake Long and disappointing center Scott Wells.

The failure of those two to provide meaningful quality play extends the Rams’ streak of ineptitude in adding offensive linemen to fifteen years, through the tenures of general managers Jay Zygmunt, Billy Devaney and Les Snead, and coaches Mike Martz, Scott Linehan, Steve Spagnuolo and Jeff Fisher. To find the last acquisition through draft or free agency of offensive tackles that played at an above average level for the Rams for any period of time, you have to go back to the 1997 draft, when they selected Orlando Pace with the first pick in the draft and Ryan Tucker in the 4th round.

In 1999, the Rams signed Adam Timmerman and Andy McCollum as unrestricted free agents, and Tom Nutten as a street free agent. All of those moves under President of Football Operations Dick Vermeil served the Rams well for years, with that group staying with the Rams until the mid-2000’s.

Since 1999, the Rams have spent draft choices on John St. Clair, Kaulana Noa, Andrew Kline, Travis Scott, Scott Tercero, Larry Turner, Alex Barron, Richie Incognito, Claude Terrell, Mark Setterstrom, Tony Palmer, Dustin Fry, Ken Shackelford, John Greco, Roy Scheuning, Jason Smith, Rodger Saffold, Rok Watkins, Barrett Jones, Greg Robinson, Mitchell Van Dyk and Demetrious Rhaney. That’s fifteen drafts, 22 drafted offensive linemen, six players that were at one point regarded as starters, and no Pro Bowls. The six “starters” would be St. Clair, Barron, Incognito, Smith, Saffold and Robinson.

The Rams traded a second round pick to New Orleans in 2003 for Kyle Turley, who was average for half a season before injuries began affecting him, and after sixteen games and sixteen starts, he never played for the Rams again. They wound up trading Jason Smith…the second pick in the 2009 draft…during Fisher’s first training camp in 2012 for Wayne Hunter, who started four games for the Rams, and dealt a seventh rounder (that wound up being quarterback Matt Flynn) for Adam Goldberg. Goldberg started 48 games for the Rams in six seasons, but was never considered above average.

Free agency has yielded lots of wasted dollars. In 2013 Jake Long signed a four year, $34 million deal and got $11 million of that for playing 22 of 32 games, with the other ten eliminated by ACL injuries. Center Scott Wells was never really healthy for the Rams after being a Pro Bowl performer in Green Bay, and signing a four year, $24 million deal with St. Louis. Center Jason Brown, guard Jacob Bell and guard Harvey Dahl were paid millions of dollars, but their play never matched their paycheck.

In fairness, the current Rams regime did claim Joe Barksdale off waivers in 2012, and he has provided durable, consistent play for the last two seasons. He’s a free agent now, and the franchise would do well to bring him back.

The last time the Rams had consistently representative offensive line play was a decade ago, in 2005. They’ve had some flashes of good play since, but nothing consistent.

An incredible stretch run in 2006 helped Steven Jackson rush for 419 yards in his last three games and 1,528 overall.

The 2013 edition helped Zac Stacy and company rush for 1,752 yards and allowed just 36 sacks. But there hasn’t been a reliable, solid Rams offensive line since Pace, Timmerman, McCollum, Nutten and Barron started that ’05 campaign.

It’s been long enough. We haven’t yet had a week of free agency, but it’s time for Fisher and Snead to sign and draft a group that’s capable of imposing their will in the running game and reasonably protecting Foles. If the Rams hope to compete for a playoff spot, regardless of the style Fisher and new offensive coordinator Frank Cignetti want to employ, it all starts up front.

They can make all the moves they want, but until they repair the offensive line, that streak of non-winning seasons will extend beyond eleven seasons.
 

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They can make all the moves they want, but until they repair the offensive line, that streak of non-winning seasons will extend beyond eleven seasons.

Exactly how I feel. Not only will they not improve their record, they risk ruining another QB.

Fix the damn line, Rams.
 

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Such a shame as my Rams Fandom began with Rams teams known FIRSTLY for their offensive line players and continuity. I'm old enough to give a list of great Ram lineman as long as that shitlist above. We always had at least 2 Rams helmets in the Probowl game and I even remember one year with 3 as one was a backup that made it. In the 4th quarter of the Probowl 3 Rams helmets on that line...awesome to that scathing article above and the scars we all have from living with all the St. Clairs we ever care to see again.

Jeff I know you will have to read that article some way somehow. Its time Bro. NO MORE BS. You and coach Boo have a come to JESUS meeting and tell Snead Demoff and Silent Sam himself what we NEED. WE are tired of it and won't take it anymore. Don't you get this QB hurt. Wake up!!!!!!!!
 

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Perhaps they need to hire Dick Vermeil as a consultant and use his input to fill out the OL.
 

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I can't shake this feeling I have that Fisher won't do what needs to be done here.

I'll feel better if Barks re signs once he's back from his honeymoon.
 

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I can't shake this feeling I have that Fisher won't do what needs to be done here.

I'll feel better if Barks re signs once he's back from his honeymoon.

Been thinking that also.....please be wrong lol.

"We have all the confidence in the world in Barnes, or Jones at center. Those guys have been working hard in the weight room and on the field. Then (insert whatever pos 1 mill a year 47 year old guard they sign) is going to fill in nicely here at guard. He's had some problems with injuries in the past, and we can't get him in the field right now but he's been going through the drills with coach B on the sidelines. He'll be ready."

Game 1. Foles sack 13 times 3 ints.

"I was proud of the way our guys battled today. We had 3 turnovers and we were still only down by 10 at the end of the game. That's remarkable, and shows this teams toughness."


We're Rams fans. We know how this goes. On top of that Bradford will probably play the pos Giants or something and throw for 5 TDs.
 

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"We have all the confidence in the world in Barnes, or Jones at center. Those guys have been working hard in the weight room and on the field. Then (insert whatever pos 1 mill a year 47 year old guard they sign) is going to fill in nicely here at guard. He's had some problems with injuries in the past, and we can't get him in the field right now but he's been going through the drills with coach B on the sidelines. He'll be ready."

Game 1. Foles sack 13 times 3 ints.

"I was proud of the way our guys battled today. We had 3 turnovers and we were still only down by 10 at the end of the game. That's remarkable, and shows this teams toughness."


We're Rams fans. We know how this goes. On top of that Bradford will probably play the pos Giants or something and throw for 5 TDs.

Uggg.. lol.
 

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Bernie: Rams can't be dumb about protecting Foles
• By Bernie Miklasz

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/colu...cle_d6954f6a-e718-508c-b97d-4a6c15b0871d.html

In attempting to gauge how Nick Foles will do as the Rams’ starting quarterback in 2015, it makes sense to start by looking at the coaching.

Foles had an advantage when Philadelphia drafted him into the NFL in 2012. Foles had a chance to break in under Andy Reid, one of the most dependable offensive minds in the game. Reid knows how to coach quarterbacks.

From 1999 through 2012, Reid’s Philly offenses were ranked seventh in the NFL in points, eighth in passing yards, eighth in touchdowns from scrimmage, fifth in touchdown passes, 14th in yards per passing attempt (6.88) and had the fourth-best ratio of touchdown passes to interceptions.

Foles was the beneficiary of good rookie schooling from Reid in 2012, and that prep work probably helped him to get ready to play for new Eagles coach Chip Kelly in 2013.

Foles started 18 games under Kelly in 2013 and ‘14, with the Eagles winning 14 of the starts. In Foles’ two seasons in the Kelly system, the Eagles ranked eighth in the league in passing yards, ninth in touchdown passes, and fourth in yards per passing attempt (7.96).

Philadelphia was No. 2 in points from scrimmage on offense (424) in 2013, and followed up with a No. 6 ranking with 397 scrimmage points last season.

And the Rams?

With Jeff Fisher as head coach over the past three years, the Rams were 21st in yards per passing attempt, 19th in touchdown passes, 25th in passing yards.

That's hardly an outlier. While many Rams fans liked to blame offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer for the team’s mediocre offense, this view badly overlooks Fisher’s dreadful history with NFL offenses.

Fisher-coached teams have ranked among the NFL’s top 10 in points from scrimmage only three times in his 19 full seasons. And it hasn’t happened since 1999, when Fisher was in his fifth full season as coach of the Tennessee Titans.

As longtime Nashville columnist and sports-talk host Joe Biddle recently noted, Fisher had a lot of nicknames during his time in Tennessee. Some of the favorites were “Coach 8-8” … “Coach Field Goal,” … and “Coach Three-and-Out.”

From a pure football standpoint, it’s easy to understand why Sam Bradford is elated to go from a bland Fisher-coached offense to a more dynamic Kelly-coached offense. It’s nothing personal. It’s just that quarterbacks tend to thrive in Kelly’s system.

And the Fisher run-based system? Not so much. What’s really surprising is Fisher’s absolute failure to build a strong offensive line. The Rams have been average at best at running the football, and their quarterbacks still take too many hits.

For a coach who is all about physical football, it’s astounding to see the Rams trudge on with such a pedestrian offensive line.

Even now the Rams began the free-agent season by pumping more money into Fisher’s favorite side of the ball, the defense.

Then again, perhaps that’s why Fisher has only six winning records in his 19 full seasons as an NFL head coach — including two winning seasons over the past 10 years.

Foles is going from a quarterback-enhancing offense to one that does little to cultivate outstanding QB play. Maybe new offensive coordinator Frank Cignetti and new QBs coach Chris Weinke can improve things, but it's important to remember (for the 100th time) that this is Jeff Fisher's offense.

It made sense for the Rams to save $11 million in salary-cap space by shipping Bradford’s big salary and chronic-injury records to Philadelphia. It made sense for the Rams to pick up a second-round draft choice in the swap.

Bradford never prospered in the Fisher offense.

Bradford never has come close to approaching the kind of season that Foles delivered in 2013, when he put up 27 touchdowns, only two INTs, an average of 9.1 yards per passing attempt, and a league-best passer rating of 119.2.

That doesn’t mean Foles is a better QB than Bradford.

I think we’ll get a better read on that now that the quarterbacks have switched teams and coaches.

If he can stay healthy Bradford certainly fits the QB profile Kelly was looking for. He has a quick mind, is adept at reading defenses, and doesn’t hesitate to check down instead of taking an avoidable sack or risking an interception by heaving a foolish pass. Bradford’s experience in a spread offense at Oklahoma will make him comfortable in Kelly’s up-tempo attack.

So why did Kelly sour on Foles? Kelly wouldn’t have made this trade unless he felt Bradford was superior to Foles. A coach doesn’t trade a lower-salaried quarterback with healthier knees — and give up a premium second-round draft pick on top of it — unless he was convinced he was landing a much better quarterback in return.

At the end of the 2014 season, Kelly praised Foles’ personal qualities but noted that the quarterback “gets banged up a little.” To some, that would be rather humorous considering Bradford’s history of frequent injuries. But Eagles insiders say Kelly’s comment was more about Foles’ habit of taking unnecessary hits by holding onto the ball too long.

Unlike Bradford, Foles hasn’t had two reconstructive surgeries on his left knee. But injuries have knocked Foles out in each of the last three seasons. There was a broken hand in 2012, a concussion in 2013, and a broken clavicle that sidelined him for the final eight games of 2014.

Foles has a slow release, and a longer throwing motion, and that can put him in harm’s way more often. And as a few QB analysts have noted, Foles is visibly uncomfortable when there’s clutter in or around his pocket.

Despite the return of big-play wide receiver Jeremy Maclin to the Philadelphia offense — Maclin had missed all of 2013 with a knee injury — Foles’ play declined last year. His completion percentage fell four points, to 59.8. He threw almost as many interceptions (10) as touchdowns (13.) His yards per attempt plunged by two yards, to 7.0.

And Foles’ passer rating plummeted to 81.4. For perspective consider that Rams’ backup QB Austin Davis had a passer rating of 85.4. And fellow Eagles quarterback Mark Sanchez — who took over for the final eight games — had a higher rating (88.4) than Foles. And was more accurate.

So what happened?

For whatever reason, Foles’ play deteriorated under pressure last season. I have to throw some numbers at you, listed by category. The blitz numbers come from STATS LLC. The under-fire numbers are from Pro Football Focus:

FOLES WHEN BLITZED

2013: completed 64.6% for 10.73 yards per attempt, six touchdowns, no INTs and a passer rating of 125.1

2014: completed 53.8 percent, for 6.86 YPA, one TD, two INTs, and a passer rating of 67.9.

FOLES WHEN UNDER PASS-RUSH FIRE

2013: under pressure on 34.3 percent of his dropbacks, completed 48 percent, had an adjusted accuracy rating of 68.1 percent, threw three TDs and no interceptions.

2014: under pressure on 34.1 percent of his dropbacks, completed 39.8 percent, had an adjusted accuracy rating of 51.9 percent, threw four TDs, and had five INTs.

That’s significant difference in both categories.

A negative difference.

And please note that Foles came under pass-rush heat at a slightly lower rate in 2014 compared to 2013. Moreover, Pro Football Focus gave the Eagles a better pass protection grade in 2014 compared to 2013.

That’s the first thing to watch with Foles in 2015: do the Rams understand what he is, and how to put him in a position to succeed?

When harassed by the defense in 2013, Foles didn’t lose his cool. He made plays. But Foles wasn’t the same quarterback under pressure in 2014. That’s almost certainly the reason why Kelly lost patience with him.

That’s why it’s imperative for the Rams to solidify their offensive line. If the coaching staff watched video of Foles in 2014, they can’t possibly think it's a smart idea to throw this kid to a pack of jackals by setting him up behind another flimsy O-line.

Thanks for reading ...

— Bernie
 

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Yes, we know how bad our line has been, Randy.

Not even going to read the trash that Bernie puts out, so I skipped by it.
 

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JT: Rams’ Offensive Line Targets Still on Free Agent Market
The St. Louis Rams were very busy in the first week of NFL Free Agency, but the team has still yet to address its biggest need: offensive line. Jim Thomas of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch discussed the offensive line void on The Wendy’s Big Show Monday.

Listen to JT Talk Rams Offensive Line
 

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JT Notes:

"They're still looking for three starters. They need a starting center, a starting right guard and a starting right tackle. All the guys the Rams would like to have on the offensive line are still in play."

- On right tackle Joe Barksdale: "The market has still not developed. I think the Rams have a decent chance to get him back on the rebound."

- On free agent center Stefen Wiesniewski: "From the Oakland Raiders, he made a few trips last week, Tampa Bay and Seattle. But he left there without a contract. He's still in play.

- On free agent right guard Justin Blalock: "He was released by Atlanta last week. Visited Detroit and I think there's still a chance he'll visit St. Louis some time this week."

Thomas discussed how the Rams' approach to the draft will change depending on what, if any, offensive linement they sign.

"Let's just say they get two of these three. Let's say they resign Barksdale and they get Blalock. Well then you still need a center. Now there's no center worth taking 10 overall, but you may still want to get a tackle. It's not just the starters we're talking about. The Rams have only seven offensive linemen under contract. And really three of those seven are guys you probably don't want on the roster. Most teams take nine into the regular season so you need to find some guys that can play."

http://www.insidestl.com/insideSTLc...-Line-Targets-Still-on-Free-Agent-Market.aspx
 

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Thomas discussed how the Rams' approach to the draft will change depending on what, if any, offensive linement they sign.

That pisses me off.
 

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I think we will resign Barks. So that means the drafting of Scherff/Clemmings to play RG and Erving to play C gives us our C's. But Blalock and Barks means we can draft Cooper. That just makes me happy... :)
 

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Well, we can't sign ppl if there aren't any.

Also, there are other teams out there, so we kind of have to be realistic.