Things we can ASSume this offseason

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There are so many decisions to be made that it's fair to say this is really a crossroads type season for the Rams, where they need to hit on a lot of them at the least in order to keep that championship window open. And for those who think our window is closed already, well enjoy the draft talk and no hard feelings. But for me, I'm not ready to concede yet when the Rams were so close to getting into the playoffs not to mention gave the 9ers everything they could handle in week 16 even with all the flaws in their 2019 roster.

Basic idea here is that there are some things we can assume are coming this offseason, whether it's basic approach type stuff or even particular decisions on players who obviously need to go. Figured I'd throw out the ones I think are 100% a given, to my mind at least:

1. Ramsey will be signed. I just don't see this going any other way. The Rams invested heavily in draft capital to bring him in, and not signing him isn't really an option. If you want to see what his reaction is to being tagged, look at the reason he came available in the first place. IF he hits the 2020 season without being signed I believe his representation will push him to test the market. Expect the Rams to circumvent all this and lock him up.

2. Goff will be restructured. I don't think the Rams have lost faith in him. He is a pocket passer and as such those guys need to be protected. And I may be in the minority but when I watch the games from 2019 I can see plenty of good things in his play, he made a lot of passes and kept us in a lot of games when there was nothing on the ground and it's not like we had wideouts running wide open all over the joint (and I say this having watched the all-22 for every game). He wasn't perfect, he did make some really stupid decisions too, but if you look at the body of his play with perspective 2019 will go down as a good learning year for him. So assuming he's still the guy as far as the Rams are concerned, which I think is a safe assumption, a restructure makes sense. I expect it will happen this offseason.

3. Cooks will play out 2020 with us. Rams have an out in his contract for 2021 so this will be a business decision to try to get him back to where he was in 2018 which would be the best possible ending. And there was a significant difference in his play in 2020, as well as his mental sharpness. And it didn't really get much better as the season finished up, with a good example being the wheel route he started and stopped on vs the 9ers (he got outside on Sherman vs cover 1 and Goff read it and threw it accordingly) as late in the season as week 16. The old Cooks was a smart and aware receiver. So Rams will try to get him back to that, and if he struggles JRey will step in (this is a contract year for JRey btw).

4. Gurley will play out 2020 with us. The only way the Rams would consider moving him is if he was a problem in the locker room but given what we know about him from the outside looking in that is not an issue. So financially they will ride him in 2020 but hopefully add to that room a bit so that if he does miss significant time we have enough guys to eat snaps. I don't think they will assume Hendy or Brown can eat those snaps so I expect an addition.

5. Weddle will be cut. This is a no brainer of course given the cap boost he'll bring. At this juncture in his career he is a SS who isn't too good as a tackler any more (he changed after the concussion IMO). We have two good SS types, guys who can hit, tackle with sureness, and cover underneath, in Rapp and Johnson. It is possible the Rams add to that room if they don't think they will be able to sign Johnson, which includes both draft and FA, but even if they do nothing but cut Weddle they are in good shape compared to most other rosters.

6. Brown will be cut. A backup has one job: to be available when the main guy can't go. Brown has failed to deliver two consecutive seasons. Rams will upgrade his roster spot in the draft at the very least.

7. Rams will decline Nickell Robey-Coleman's option. NRC is a good nickel back still but his play in 2019 was not something the Rams can do without when the gain is $4.5M. This is basically a cut, and yes he is definitely good enough to try to trade, however I think the Rams simply let him go and replace him in-house. Sucks but it's a cap and business decision to ensure they can field the best roster possible. Rams will 100% move on from him IMO.

8. Littleton will be allowed to leave in FA. I've put up some stuff to show why I think this and don't want to get all crazy about it, but Littleton is not a strong run fit ILB. You can get guys in every draft (college SS types or mobile backers who aren't great in traffic vs the run) starting round 2 who can play third down nickelbacker type roles. They won't be as good as Corey in that role. But his liability in run defense is something the Rams will not accept when it comes to paying him big market money. He is absolutely gone IMO and best wishes to him.

9. Rams will make noticeable investment in the LB roster. The options are out there to upgrade both OLB and ILB in both FA and the draft. OLB is going to see some FA possibilities that fit and it's likely we will see good edge possibilities at our pick in round 2. ILB is going to have good options in FA as well as the draft. It's been a long time since the Rams have prioritized LB in general, however that changes this year because we have a new DC who is used to rosters with superb LB talent. There is zero chance he looks at our game film and comes away happy.

10. Rams will make noticeable investment in the OL roster. I don't know if it will be FA or the draft and it may be both. But I am certain there will be an influx of talent for competition and depth at the very least. There is simply zero chance the Rams stand pat with the roster group that was most to blame for their 2019 results. With the money invested in Goff & Gurley, the stadium opening in 2020, they are going to set up their star offensive players with every opportunity to regain that status by investing in the line that makes it all happen.
 

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I agree with everything you stated here.

I just hope Kizer or a FA or rookie can man the ILB post better than Littleton did.

I like Littleton but he is more of an outside linebacker type in a 4 -3 (just like Ogletree).

Putting them at middle linebacker means teams can run all over us in the gut.

Plus I want a big ass dude at Nose Tackle that can take on two guys in the run game.

Let's free up Donald a bit.
 

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Awesome read; with #2 taken into consideration, I hope Snead and Demoff plan on taking a more proactive approach in terms of handling new deals moving forward. 2018-19 offseason really showed us handing out contracts like candy to talented players

Donald’s deal is a no brainer considering he’s a world class talent but the Gurley and Cooks’s deal is a hard punch to the gut considering their injury woes. I’m fine with signing Ramsey considering he has world class talent. Johnson III’s new deal may be cap friendly considering his trip to IR this season. Kupp is an absolute must as well.
 

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11. No matter what is done we’ll have at least a year of threads and comments about how the Rams got it wrong. Fans have no patience for draft picks to develop or be coached up. They always know a better trade target or free agent regardless of whether the team was willing to trade him or if he ever considered us or if he even fit our scheme.

We all want the team to get better. We just have a different vision on how that should be done and it rarely matches Snead and McVa’s vision.
 

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Awesome read; with #2 taken into consideration, I hope Snead and Demoff plan on taking a more proactive approach in terms of handling new deals moving forward. 2018-19 offseason really showed us handing out contracts like candy to talented players

Donald’s deal is a no brainer considering he’s a world class talent but the Gurley and Cooks’s deal is a hard punch to the gut considering their injury woes. I’m fine with signing Ramsey considering he has world class talent. Johnson III’s new deal may be cap friendly considering his trip to IR this season. Kupp is an absolute must as well.
Yeah I do think good decisions this offseason will enable them to recover from the Gurley & Cooks deals. In general it's not smart business to put big money into the RB position and Gurley's status reinforces that logic but that said at least they paid a guy who deserved it. Which is a big upgrade from the previous Rams regimes paying guys like Tavon or letting elite players go in FA.

2021 is real close and I think the Cooks chapter will be closed. 2022 is the out for Gurley. I do think there's a chance the Rams get them both going to where those contracts don't hurt too terribly. Gurley isn't the same guy but is still a beast of an athlete if they can open holes for him. Cooks mentally checked out IMO after the concussion but an offseason might re-engage him.

But I agree they need to be smarter now. Those two contracts basically give them much less room for errors and miscalculations. Lock up the key guys only. Sign guys in FA wisely. And so on. The window isn't closed yet.
 

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11. No matter what is done we’ll have at least a year of threads and comments about how the Rams got it wrong. Fans have no patience for draft picks to develop or be coached up. They always know a better trade target or free agent regardless of whether the team was willing to trade him or if he ever considered us or if he even fit our scheme.

We all want the team to get better. We just have a different vision on how that should be done and it rarely matches Snead and McVa’s vision.
That's our job OS... :ROFLMAO:
 

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1. Rams front office get bent over a barrel and Ramsey and his agent go to town with no lube in off season 2020. That’s realistically what’s going to happen.
 

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Good post. I agree with you with the exception of 8 & 10.

Probably the hottest off-season discussion. I'm not convinced they let CL walk. I think it could be Fowler just the same. With Wade gone it remains to be seen how this D is going to shake out in terms of philosophy. The General Manager playbook says you prioritize the pass rusher over the ILB but idk.

I think McV focuses on scheme in the offseason and i don't see the OLine getting blown up or even tweaked very much in terms of personnel. I could see possibly a low end FA and definitely a draft pick or two coming, but IMO the focus will be on upgrading the DLine and LB's as you mentioned.
 

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Probably the hottest off-season discussion. I'm not convinced they let CL walk. I think it could be Fowler just the same. With Wade gone it remains to be seen how this D is going to shake out in terms of philosophy. The General Manager playbook says you prioritize the pass rusher over the ILB but idk.
I am sure it's possible Staley decides he can coach Littleton to fill his run fits more aggressively. But that's a big assumption when you're talking about paying a guy. It is very similar IMO to them paying Ogletree. He had flaws that should have prevented that from happening. Rams just escaped from that mistake by moving him fortunately.

Personally I think Fowler walks too. He responded well to the 3-4 and the coaching and put up some great tape with us in 2019. But I don't feel 100% on that. I just can't say confidently that paying that guy is smart and the Rams don't have a lot of room for error.
 

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My things to assume:

1. Weddle will have his ass cut.

2. Ramsey will be re-signed.

3. Matthews will be cut.

4. Weddle will have his ass cut.

5. Fowler will be tag-traded.

6. Littleton will be signed by another team.

7. Weddle will have his ass cut.

8. We will draft at least two defensive linemen.

9. We will keep Cooks and Gurley.

10. Weddle will have his ass cut.

11. Brown and Robey-Coleman will be traded or cut.

12. We will draft at least one offensive lineman.

13. Weddle will have his ass cut.

14. Weddle will have his ass cut.

15. Did I mention that Weddle will have his ass cut?

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2. Goff will be restructured. I don't think the Rams have lost faith in him. He is a pocket passer and as such those guys need to be protected. And I may be in the minority but when I watch the games from 2019 I can see plenty of good things in his play, he made a lot of passes and kept us in a lot of games when there was nothing on the ground and it's not like we had wideouts running wide open all over the joint (and I say this having watched the all-22 for every game). He wasn't perfect, he did make some really stupid decisions too, but if you look at the body of his play with perspective 2019 will go down as a good learning year for him. So assuming he's still the guy as far as the Rams are concerned, which I think is a safe assumption, a restructure makes sense. I expect it will happen this offseason.

Great post. In line with this, you should go listen to the most recent 11 Personnel Podcast, with none other than former Ram QB Jim Everett as a guest.

(Link here - it doesn't go to individual episodes, but the Everett episode is at the top of the list - https://theathletic.com/podcast/65-11-personnel/ )

Everett's take and yours are pretty close to one another, and he has a lot of good insight from the perspective of someone that has played the position. Lots of good insight about McVay as well. And as a bonus, he states that he still hates the 49ers and is rooting for the Chiefs this coming Sunday.

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11. No matter what is done we’ll have at least a year of threads and comments about how the Rams got it wrong. Fans have no patience for draft picks to develop or be coached up. They always know a better trade target or free agent regardless of whether the team was willing to trade him or if he ever considered us or if he even fit our scheme.

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15. Did I mention that Weddle will have his ass cut?

I think we should cut him, then re-sign him just so we can cut him again. Maybe lather, rinse, and repeat as many times as in your post :giggle:
 

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My things to assume:

1. Weddle will have his ass cut.

2. Ramsey will be re-signed.

3. Matthews will be cut.

4. Weddle will have his ass cut.

5. Fowler will be tag-traded.

6. Littleton will be signed by another team.

7. Weddle will have his ass cut.

8. We will draft at least two defensive linemen.

9. We will keep Cooks and Gurley.

10. Weddle will have his ass cut.

11. Brown and Robey-Coleman will be traded or cut.

12. We will draft at least one offensive lineman.

13. Weddle will have his ass cut.

14. Weddle will have his ass cut.

15. Did I mention that Weddle will have his ass cut?

:p
The cutting of Matthews, Brown & Weddle along with the trade or cut of NRC will put $14.6 million added back into the projected $19.5 million of cap space. It would bring the 2020cap space back up to over $34 million. I believe it takes about 6 million of that cap space to sign our rookie crop. So Demoff/Snead will have about $28 million to play ball with.
 

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The cutting of Matthews, Brown & Weddle along with the trade or cut of NRC will put $14.6 million added back into the projected $19.5 million of cap space. It would bring the 2020cap space back up to over $34 million. I believe it takes about 6 million of that cap space to sign our rookie crop. So Demoff/Snead will have about $28 million to play ball with.

Which makes all of those moves absolute no brainers. Those three players are superfluous to the needs of the rams moving forward.

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My things to assume:

1. Weddle will have his ass cut.

2. Ramsey will be re-signed.

3. Matthews will be cut.

4. Weddle will have his ass cut.

5. Fowler will be tag-traded.

6. Littleton will be signed by another team.

7. Weddle will have his ass cut.

8. We will draft at least two defensive linemen.

9. We will keep Cooks and Gurley.

10. Weddle will have his ass cut.

11. Brown and Robey-Coleman will be traded or cut.

12. We will draft at least one offensive lineman.

13. Weddle will have his ass cut.

14. Weddle will have his ass cut.

15. Did I mention that Weddle will have his ass cut?

:p
Weddle after new contract:"Memento, chocolate ice cream with pecans?"
 

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I think we all knew when signed that Weddle and Matthews were short term fixes. I really don't see the Rams overpaying to keep Fowler or Littleton.
 

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I don’t see how the Rams lose Littleton and Fowler and improve the LB group.
I don’t see how the Rams make a “major” investment in the OL with a lack of cap space and no first round pick.
The Rams need another playmaker on the DL. For a couple of reasons.
Donald is great, I like Joseph-Day and he played well over all. There are no other playmakers on the DL. Add in Brockers leaving and it’s largely a desert.
 

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The cutting of Matthews, Brown & Weddle along with the trade or cut of NRC will put $14.6 million added back into the projected $19.5 million of cap space. It would bring the 2020cap space back up to over $34 million. I believe it takes about 6 million of that cap space to sign our rookie crop. So Demoff/Snead will have about $28 million to play ball with.
So it would seem of that rough $28M they're probably willing to spend a third of it or whatever on OL, since Whit will probably be in that $9M range if the Rams bring him back. If they don't bring him back adding a guy like center Connor McGovern I would guess is around $10M or a similar cap hit to Whit. If they go OG though it will be with more expense, probably at least $4M more cap hit than McGovern.

Some FAs like Vaitai I don't even want to guess what type of money we're talking, i.e. I would think they might be cheap but they probably won't be. He btw was a very good OT in the Eagles' super bowl run but played like garbage in 2018. Tbh it was kind of like what happened with Hav. Then he bounced back last season at OG and looks like a good OG who brings OT flexibility. Probably won't be a top FA in terms of how hard teams chase him. Could the Rams get him at $10M?

Anyway. If they let Whit go in FA and don't bring anyone in, their highest paid OL will be Havenstein at $7.8M. Next guy after him would be Corbett at $1.1M.
 

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I don’t see how the Rams lose Littleton and Fowler and improve the LB group.
Littleton is going to cost more on the market than some lesser regarded types who are a better fit for a 3-4 ILB spot. So it's possible they go get Correa for example at a lesser cost. Or maybe Kwiatkoski. If they get either of those guys we'd be better vs the run immediately. On pass downs they need to be dropping into a zone or rushing which both are capable of.

Edge will probably need to be upgraded in the draft due to cost of these guys on the market. I'm guessing that will be our selection in round 2 (I feel like we're going to have a good rush option or two there) but either way they'll bring in a pass rusher to deepen the room in this draft.

If they manage to do that I think we end up with a better LB group overall no question. A group that is better designed to play this defense. Fowler will still be better than our best rusher, but the Rams could still field a constant rotation with a good enough rush and have a young edge coming online at the same time.