The Rams Still Face Uncertainty at the QB Position

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http://www.101sports.com/2015/05/28/the-rams-still-have-uncertainty-at-the-qb-position/

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In the buildup to the 2015 NFL Draft, the national discussion focused on the strengths and weakness of Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota, the top two quarterbacks in this year’s class.

One of the biggest arguments in favor of Winston developing into a better pro was that he played in Jimbo Fisher’s pro-style offense at Florida State, compared to Marcus Mariota, who operated within the spread and Mark Helfrich’s fast-paced system at Oregon.

So, if one of the drawbacks of Mariota’s game was playing in a quarterback-friendly offense, what does that suggest about Nick Foles?

Given Sam Bradford’s injury history and the lack of available quarterbacks in free agency and the draft, the Rams made a prudent decision to accept the Eagles’ offer for Foles and draft compensation in March. Bradford has only played in seven games in the last two years and was carrying a cap charge of more than $12 million.

As I wrote at the time of the trade, it made sense for the Rams to unburden themselves of Bradford’s cap hit durability concerns in one fell swoop, all while acquiring a quarterback in Foles that was a Pro Bowler in 2013. Plus, Foles is set to make just $1,522,000 this season.

While the trade was sensible for the Rams, there’s plenty of uncertainty surrounding Foles.

We can applaud Jeff Fisher and Les Snead for pulling off a good trade and still wonder about the quarterback production they’ll receive in 2015.

Critics ripped Mariota pre-draft because of the offense he played in at Oregon. In short, the system featured packaged plays that allowed the quarterback to pick up “easy” yards, assuming he could make decisions quickly.

On a given play, Mariota may have had the option to give the ball to the running back on an outside zone handoff, fake to the running back while keeping the ball himself on a read option, throw a “pop” pass to the tight end, or throw a screen to either the slot or outside receiver.

In short, he had options.

As long as Mariota made the right decision based on how the defense reacted, more times than not there was a play to be made somewhere. And because of his natural abilities as a runner and a passer, he was able to execute the offense to near perfection at times. Florida State’s defense will attest to that.

But because the offense is viewed as quarterback-friendly, many people have questioned Mariota’s ability to make the leap to the NFL.

That in mind, it’s fair to question Foles, whose best season came while running a similar system under Chip Kelly in 2013.

That season Foles threw 27 touchdown passes to just two interceptions and led the league in yards per attempt at 9.12. He also finished the season with a 119.2 quarterback rating and helped the Eagles win a division title and a playoff berth.

But last year Foles’ production slipped dramatically, which some believe was due to the play of his offensive line and the absence of DeSean Jackson. While injuries along the O-line did play a part in Philly’s demise last year, Jeremy Maclin proved to be a more than capable No. 1 receiver.

Foles flat out struggled.

NFL defensive coordinators are smart. They figured out that Foles’ athletic limitations meant that he wasn’t much of a threat on read option keepers and thus, he couldn’t force backside defenders to hesitate in efforts not to overpursue and create easy running lanes.

Defenses also started to commit more defenders in the box in order to contain LeSean McCoy. Without a legit running option at quarterback, opponents now had the numbers to choke running lanes and limit McCoy’s ability to pick up positive yards.

Ineffective line play also allowed defenses to put more pressure in Foles’ face, which he often countered by throwing off his back foot or forcing passes into traffic. Even when he wasn’t pressured, Foles was often inaccurate or struggled with ball placement (an underrated part of quarterback assessment, and an area where Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady excel).

This isn’t to suggest that Foles is incapable of being an effective quarterback for the Rams in 2015.

But it’s not rational to simply write off Foles’ 2014 season as an aberration and assume he’ll revert back to his 2013 form. He’ll be running a completely different system in St. Louis and just as we don’t know how Mariota will perform outside of Eugene, it’s fair to wonder how Foles will operate in a pro-style offense.

Here’s the hope: The Rams’ running game finishes with one of the best yards per carry average in the league and Gregg Williams’ defense is lights out from the start.

If Todd Gurley, Tre Mason and the offensive line is truly dominant, then opposing defenses will have to adjust. In theory, the running game will open up play-action and it’ll be up to Foles and Frank Cignetti not to leave production from the passing game on the table.

It’s been evident this offseason that Fisher wants to lean on his defense and rushing attack to win games in 2015.

In light of the Seahawks’ accomplishments the last two years, it’s not a bad strategy. Neither was nabbing Gurley with the No. 10 overall pick, although questions remain about his health as well as the team’s inexperienced O-line.

But that doesn’t mean the pressure won’t be on Foles. While he doesn’t need to be Brady, Manning or Rodgers for the Rams to contend, he does need to play better than he did a year ago in Philadelphia.

NFL teams can go a long way with a great defense and a solid running game. But one surefire way to thwart success is having to deal with a season’s worth of poor production from the quarterback position.
 

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To me, it's clear that the rushing attack needs to be effective come day one.

With an Oline that is short on experience, we don't want Foles throwing under duress much. Especially the 2014 Foles.
 

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To me, it's clear that the rushing attack needs to be effective come day one.

With an Oline that is short on experience, we don't want Foles throwing under duress much. Especially the 2014 Foles.
That's enough excuses, Mrs. Foles.
 

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So wait, what this author is essentially saying...over and over again....is that it is hard to be an effective QB with an under performing OL? No shit. Just ask *insert any recent rams QB here* how hard that shit is....
 

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Uncertainty at QB!?
The only thing certain in life is Death and Taxes!!
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So wait, what this author is essentially saying...over and over again....is that it is hard to be an effective QB with an under performing OL? No crap. Just ask *insert any recent rams QB here* how hard that crap is....

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/01/08/2014-pff-offensive-line-rankings/4/
2014 PFF Offensive Line Rankings

2. Philadelphia Eagles (1st)


Pass Blocking Ranking: 10th, Run Blocking Ranking: 1st, Penalties Ranking: 27th

Stud: In the conversation for best left tackle in the league right now, and if nothing else the run blocking of Jason Peters makes him the most fun to watch.

Dud: Credit to Todd Herremans for trying to gut it out, but the upshot was him being something of a liability in pass protection before going on Injured Reserve.

Breakdown: How did the line finish this highly with all the injuries they had? The replacements (Matt Tobin, Andrew Gardner and David Molk) all struggled so you can place their midseason renaissance down to getting their studs back. Peters and Lane Johnson were PFF All-Pro first teamers, Evan Mathis was on pace to be one, but missed some time, while Jason Kelce had the sixth-highest run blocking score of any center. A strong finish to the year for this unit.

- i actually agree with the author's doubts on Foles. but the line didn't seem to be the problem. i dont agree with many PFF ranking but they are much more accurate when it comes to linemen, they're a more self-reliant player that's easier to diagnose IMO. Either way I still have many reservations about Foles right now.
 

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To me, it's clear that the rushing attack needs to be effective come day one.

With an Oline that is short on experience, we don't want Foles throwing under duress much. Especially the 2014 Foles.
Youth doesn't mean the OLine will struggle...it just doesn't!
 

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https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/01/08/2014-pff-offensive-line-rankings/4/
2014 PFF Offensive Line Rankings

2. Philadelphia Eagles (1st)


Pass Blocking Ranking: 10th, Run Blocking Ranking: 1st, Penalties Ranking: 27th

Stud: In the conversation for best left tackle in the league right now, and if nothing else the run blocking of Jason Peters makes him the most fun to watch.

Dud: Credit to Todd Herremans for trying to gut it out, but the upshot was him being something of a liability in pass protection before going on Injured Reserve.

Breakdown: How did the line finish this highly with all the injuries they had? The replacements (Matt Tobin, Andrew Gardner and David Molk) all struggled so you can place their midseason renaissance down to getting their studs back. Peters and Lane Johnson were PFF All-Pro first teamers, Evan Mathis was on pace to be one, but missed some time, while Jason Kelce had the sixth-highest run blocking score of any center. A strong finish to the year for this unit.

- i actually agree with the author's doubts on Foles. but the line didn't seem to be the problem. i dont agree with many PFF ranking but they are much more accurate when it comes to linemen, they're a more self-reliant player that's easier to diagnose IMO. Either way I still have many reservations about Foles right now.

PFF has zero proof that any of their analysis is valid.
 

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Get those young Big Uglies ready and we'll win more games.
I see no reason why we can't average 24 pnts a game or more, with solid play up front.
 

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https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/01/08/2014-pff-offensive-line-rankings/4/
2014 PFF Offensive Line Rankings

2. Philadelphia Eagles (1st)


Pass Blocking Ranking: 10th, Run Blocking Ranking: 1st, Penalties Ranking: 27th

Stud: In the conversation for best left tackle in the league right now, and if nothing else the run blocking of Jason Peters makes him the most fun to watch.

Dud: Credit to Todd Herremans for trying to gut it out, but the upshot was him being something of a liability in pass protection before going on Injured Reserve.

Breakdown: How did the line finish this highly with all the injuries they had? The replacements (Matt Tobin, Andrew Gardner and David Molk) all struggled so you can place their midseason renaissance down to getting their studs back. Peters and Lane Johnson were PFF All-Pro first teamers, Evan Mathis was on pace to be one, but missed some time, while Jason Kelce had the sixth-highest run blocking score of any center. A strong finish to the year for this unit.

- i actually agree with the author's doubts on Foles. but the line didn't seem to be the problem. i dont agree with many PFF ranking but they are much more accurate when it comes to linemen, they're a more self-reliant player that's easier to diagnose IMO. Either way I still have many reservations about Foles right now.

The replacements (Matt Tobin, Andrew Gardner and David Molk) all struggled so you can place their midseason renaissance down to getting their studs back.

A strong finish to the year for this unit.

If they'd played out the year as they'd started it (i.e. the games Foles played) they would have been ranked 26th in pass blocking (still better than the Rams). But as @Elmgrovegnome says

PFF has zero proof that any of their analysis is valid.

So they could have had the best pass blocking line in the league.
 

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If they'd played out the year as they'd started it (i.e. the games Foles played) they would have been ranked 26th in pass blocking (still better than the Rams). But as @Elmgrovegnome says



So they could have had the best pass blocking line in the league.

Exactly. That ranking means nada when compared with the line Foles played with last year.
 

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So they could have had the best pass blocking line in the league.

Or worst. Why I don't believe in PFF is that metrics in football are much more difficult to quantify, because it is the ultimate team sport. There is far too much reliance on the player next to you in football to accurately grade what one individual is doing. Just my opinion.
 

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I saw the headline and skipped reading the article in the OP.

Now that Bradford is in Philly he gets all othe love from the Nat'l media, and we get this. F 'em!
While I agree with your sentiment, the writer's message being clear that the Foles will suck because he's playing for the Rams now ...

I managed to muddle through the article and the contradictions themselves (and there are many) point to our offense having the potential to be more fan friendly than people realize.
 

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Or worst. Why I don't believe in PFF is that metrics in football are much more difficult to quantify, because it is the ultimate team sport. There is far too much reliance on the player next to you in football to accurately grade what one individual is doing. Just my opinion.
which is why I said they are more reliable when it comes to linemen because while they still depend on the man next to them they are still more a self reliant position than most others and it's easier to diagnose who fucks up. guess they were wrong about Donald being the best DT last year too. either way Foles had a better line than the Rams last couple years
 

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That's enough excuses, Mrs. Foles.
Be kind to my son... he had a difficult year in philadephia in 2014. I hope you fine people in St. Louis treat him better!
 

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which is why I said they are more reliable when it comes to linemen because while they still depend on the man next to them they are still more a self reliant position than most others and it's easier to diagnose who fucks up. guess they were wrong about Donald being the best DT last year too. either way Foles had a better line than the Rams last couple years

I think Dline is a more individualized position than Oline by far. Donald was also recognized by more than just PFF as the best D linemen playing last season. I recall Rexy getting angry about it too.