The difference in approach; Chiefs vs Rams

[CGI_Ram]

“What the hell are the Chiefs thinking?”…

Mahomes cap hit this year is $35M, before ballooning to $47, $44, and $46 the next 3 seasons.

They have $14M in cap space right now. It sort of feels like they are in a good window to press hard for another Superbowl… instead, I am looking at their WR room and wondering… “would the Rams be happy with this group?”.

I don’t think so.

They traded away a star player, Tyreek Hill, and filled in their WR corps like this;

WR1 JuJu Smith-Schuster
WR2 Marquez Valdes-Scantling
WR3 Skyy Moore (R)

Tyreek is counting $6M against the cap this year in Miami. They could have fit him. Especially with $14M in available space. So why didn’t they?

The Chiefs would look a lot tougher with Tyreek in the mix… Instead it’s Smith-Schuster, Valdes-Scantling, and I-Need-A-Hyphen-too Moore.

DIFFERENCE FROM THE RAMS - Maybe we don’t break the bank for Tyreek either, but they didn’t aggressively fill their WR room to take advantage of this Superbowl window season.

And… Skyy Moore (selected with #54 pick this year)… the Chiefs got jumped on a run of receivers;

50. Tyquan Thornton, wide receiver, Baylor
51. Cameron Jurgens, offensive line, Nebraska
52. George Pickens, wide receiver, Georgia
53. Alec Pierce, wide receiver, Cincinnati
54. Skyy Moore, wide receiver, Western Michigan

Word is, they liked Pickens, ended up with Moore.

DIFFERENCE FROM THE RAMS - We get our guy. We’ve been jumped before too (Bobby Wagner) but if our team needed a WR to complete our Superbowl window we make sure we get who we want.

Thank you Rams for hitting this Superbowl window hard! We might not win it all again this year, but our leaders are giving it one hell of a try.

The Chiefs are trying too, no doubt, but they aren’t hitting it like we are. Look at their WR room.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Not saying they won’t miss T.Hill but they do have a top flight TE.

 

[snackdaddy]

Not saying they won’t miss T.Hill but they do have a top flight TE.

No doubt Kelce is among the best. Its also possible the middle of the field won't be as open for Kelce without Hill stretching the defense.

 

[CGI_Ram]

Not saying they won’t miss T.Hill but they do have a top flight TE.

True. and…Kelsey is 33 this season. To me, that is another reason 2022 is a good Superbowl window for them.

 

[LouisvilleRam]

I think Juju returns to the Juju from a couple of years ago especially with Mahomes throwing to him. Hardman can stretch the field, I know not like Hill could but he's still a decent deep threat. They just resigned Jerick McKinnon too, at the end of last year he played really good for them.

 

[AvengerRam]

The Chiefs and the Packers both seem to be operating on the presumption that elite QBs will thrive notwithstanding the loss of their best WR. We’ll see how hat works out for them.

 

[Corbin]

Watching the draft the guys on the tele stated that Sky Moore was a Tyreek clone in speed and stature. Going to be interesting to see how Reed uses him to get him the ball.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Will be interesting to see how (and if) Andy Reid changes his offense to fit new personnel.

Hill did so much to stretch the field (vertically and horizontally); and that helped Kelce's game. Last few years, it felt like Mahomes to Hill and/or Kelce; and that was about it. Often unstoppable but still that was it.

Now there seems to be more, and different options. Valdes-Scantling can stretch it vertically, as can Mecole Hardman but they ain't Tyreke Hill. Smith Shuster is a real nice underneath / over-the-middle option, with size and physicality. If Skyy Moore can contribute and with Kelce, it could be an interesting and diverse group of receiving options for a versatile, veteran head coach and a great QB-talent.

Also, the Chiefs signed Ronald Jones to join Edwards-Helaire and McKinnon in the backfield. I could see Reid running the ball more often, and using more play-action. Kind of expect that Reid will re-work his offense; and that could be interesting to see.

Literally, every team has a good story-line. Pro Football is so much fun!

 

[CGI_Ram]

Watching the draft the guys on the tele stated that Sky Moore was a Tyreek clone in speed and stature. Going to be interesting to see how Reed uses him to get him the ball.

Maybe. He is projected in the slot. Tyreek played out of there too, but only 44% last year. I would have guessed higher.

This scout compares him to Sterling Shepard of the Giants. Which is sort of the Hill make up, and scouts compared him to Brandin Cooks.

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SKYY MOORE

• WR Broncos
• Junior
• #--
• 5'9"
• 195lbs
• 09/10/2000
• Prospect
• Mid-American

Western Michigan wide receiver Skyy Moore enters the 2022 NFL Draft process as an impressively productive prospect. Moore, a redshirt sophomore, burst onto the scene in 2019 with more than 800 receiving yards as a true freshman in the Broncos offense. He became just the third MAC receiver to be named First-Team All-MAC as a true freshman since 1982. Ever since, he’s been a high volume and big-play target in the passing game, winning on fades from the slot, in-breaking patterns into the teeth of the defense, and on rhythm throws in the RPO game.

I saw a lot of Sterling Shepard of the New York Giants in his game—from his quickness to his release package to his stature and how he wins after the catch. Moore appears to be yet another strong option on day two of the 2022 NFL Draft, which is loaded with quality wide receiver prospects. In order to get the best of Moore’s game, I would like to see him step into a spread offense where he can attack defenses from the slot and use his agility and sharp breaks to snap off separation. When you consider Moore was recruited largely as a two-way athlete with a background in playing both quarterback and defensive back, his film resume becomes even more important. If he’s only scratching the surface of his technical prowess at the position, then the sky could be the limit (no pun intended) for Moore at the NFL level.

Ideal role: Starting slot receiver

Scheme tendencies: Spread offense

FILM EVALUATION

Written by Kyle Crabbs

Games watched: Michigan (2021), Pittsburgh (2021), Northern Illinois (2021), Nevada (2021)

Best Game Studied: Northern Illinois (2021)

Worst Game Studied: Michigan (2021)

Route Running: See Above.

Hands: Moore made a number of impressive catches away from his frame. He snagged a number of throws in traffic over the middle and showed good ability to focus and see the ball all the way into his frame amid contact. He plucked one over the shoulder touchdown that tested the limits of his radius and showed very good hand-eye coordination. This is a plus trait.

Separation: His ability to stack vertically against press is something that offered some mixed results, but he’s got ample skills at the top of his stem to snap quickly off his path and I appreciate how he doesn’t telegraph his breaks. He’s got good speed but even better agility for when he’s got a defender trailing on his inside hip.

Release Package: I really enjoy the instances where he gets to work against press to see his creativity in his releases. He’s not the biggest or strongest, so press corners with length who can get a piece of him have been able to bubble him and ride him and disrupt timing, but his foot-fire and hand usage both allow him to force missed punches.

Run After Catch: I don’t necessarily think from a functional speed standpoint he’s a true burner but he gets plenty of action after the catch. Western Michigan did a good job isolating him in man-to-man coverage and letting his ability to win both at the line of scrimmage and at the top of the route create a high-stress tackle environment. He broke a fair bit of them for chunk gains.

Ball Skills: See above.

Football IQ: See above.

Versatility: Moore handled four career kicks throughout his three seasons but I think this is an area where he could continue to grow and improve and add value. He’s a natural with the ball in his hands and has been schemed touches in the WMU offense courtesy of jet motion, RPO glance routes, quick smoke throws, and more in addition to his resume as a three-level threat.

Competitive Toughness: The contact balance here is impressive. He’ll absorb contact fairly well and play through contact to drag tacklers. He’s built dense and it shows when he’s challenging you with power. He blocks his ass off, too—I’m impressed to see a player of his stature stepping down and sealing defensive flow.

Big-Play Ability: He’s made a lot of big plays and averaged a healthy clip per reception over his career at WMU. That said, I do think he’d benefit a great deal from being a complementary piece of the puzzle. He’ll win his one-on-ones and shows good but not great functional speed in the open field. Good for one tough as nails catch over the middle per game.

SCOUT GRADES

TDN Consensus: 81.75/100 (Second Round Value)

Crabbs Grade: 83.00/100

Marino Grade: 82.00/100

Harris Grade: 79.00/100

Sanchez Grade: 82.50/100

Weissman Grade: 82.00/100

Parson Grade: 82.00/100

 

[CGI_Ram]

I think Juju returns to the Juju from a couple of years ago especially with Mahomes throwing to him. Hardman can stretch the field, I know not like Hill could but he's still a decent deep threat. They just resigned Jerick McKinnon too, at the end of last year he played really good for them.

He just might. And, he could. He is betting on himself having signed 1yr deal with Chiefs.

He is only 25, and you don’t put up >1,400yds in the NFL without legit talent…which he did in 2018.

 

[Corbin]

Maybe. He is projected in the slot. Tyreek played out of there too, but only 44% last year. I would have guessed higher.

This scout compares him to Sterling Shepard of the Giants. Which is sort of the Hill make up, and scouts compared him to Brandin Cooks.

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SKYY MOORE

• WR Broncos
• Junior
• #--
• 5'9"
• 195lbs
• 09/10/2000
• Prospect
• Mid-American

Western Michigan wide receiver Skyy Moore enters the 2022 NFL Draft process as an impressively productive prospect. Moore, a redshirt sophomore, burst onto the scene in 2019 with more than 800 receiving yards as a true freshman in the Broncos offense. He became just the third MAC receiver to be named First-Team All-MAC as a true freshman since 1982. Ever since, he’s been a high volume and big-play target in the passing game, winning on fades from the slot, in-breaking patterns into the teeth of the defense, and on rhythm throws in the RPO game.

I saw a lot of Sterling Shepard of the New York Giants in his game—from his quickness to his release package to his stature and how he wins after the catch. Moore appears to be yet another strong option on day two of the 2022 NFL Draft, which is loaded with quality wide receiver prospects. In order to get the best of Moore’s game, I would like to see him step into a spread offense where he can attack defenses from the slot and use his agility and sharp breaks to snap off separation. When you consider Moore was recruited largely as a two-way athlete with a background in playing both quarterback and defensive back, his film resume becomes even more important. If he’s only scratching the surface of his technical prowess at the position, then the sky could be the limit (no pun intended) for Moore at the NFL level.

Ideal role: Starting slot receiver

Scheme tendencies: Spread offense

FILM EVALUATION

Written by Kyle Crabbs

Games watched: Michigan (2021), Pittsburgh (2021), Northern Illinois (2021), Nevada (2021)

Best Game Studied: Northern Illinois (2021)

Worst Game Studied: Michigan (2021)

Route Running: See Above.

Hands: Moore made a number of impressive catches away from his frame. He snagged a number of throws in traffic over the middle and showed good ability to focus and see the ball all the way into his frame amid contact. He plucked one over the shoulder touchdown that tested the limits of his radius and showed very good hand-eye coordination. This is a plus trait.

Separation: His ability to stack vertically against press is something that offered some mixed results, but he’s got ample skills at the top of his stem to snap quickly off his path and I appreciate how he doesn’t telegraph his breaks. He’s got good speed but even better agility for when he’s got a defender trailing on his inside hip.

Release Package: I really enjoy the instances where he gets to work against press to see his creativity in his releases. He’s not the biggest or strongest, so press corners with length who can get a piece of him have been able to bubble him and ride him and disrupt timing, but his foot-fire and hand usage both allow him to force missed punches.

Run After Catch: I don’t necessarily think from a functional speed standpoint he’s a true burner but he gets plenty of action after the catch. Western Michigan did a good job isolating him in man-to-man coverage and letting his ability to win both at the line of scrimmage and at the top of the route create a high-stress tackle environment. He broke a fair bit of them for chunk gains.

Ball Skills: See above.

Football IQ: See above.

Versatility: Moore handled four career kicks throughout his three seasons but I think this is an area where he could continue to grow and improve and add value. He’s a natural with the ball in his hands and has been schemed touches in the WMU offense courtesy of jet motion, RPO glance routes, quick smoke throws, and more in addition to his resume as a three-level threat.

Competitive Toughness: The contact balance here is impressive. He’ll absorb contact fairly well and play through contact to drag tacklers. He’s built dense and it shows when he’s challenging you with power. He blocks his ass off, too—I’m impressed to see a player of his stature stepping down and sealing defensive flow.

Big-Play Ability: He’s made a lot of big plays and averaged a healthy clip per reception over his career at WMU. That said, I do think he’d benefit a great deal from being a complementary piece of the puzzle. He’ll win his one-on-ones and shows good but not great functional speed in the open field. Good for one tough as nails catch over the middle per game.

SCOUT GRADES

TDN Consensus: 81.75/100 (Second Round Value)

Crabbs Grade: 83.00/100

Marino Grade: 82.00/100

Harris Grade: 79.00/100

Sanchez Grade: 82.50/100

Weissman Grade: 82.00/100

Parson Grade: 82.00/100

Lol check this out.. chiefs fucked up

View: https://www.instagram.com/p/CfrUVy3gn4J/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

 

[Corbin]

Maybe. He is projected in the slot. Tyreek played out of there too, but only 44% last year. I would have guessed higher.

This scout compares him to Sterling Shepard of the Giants. Which is sort of the Hill make up, and scouts compared him to Brandin Cooks.

The Draft Network

TDN

thedraftnetwork.com

SKYY MOORE

• WR Broncos
• Junior
• #--
• 5'9"
• 195lbs
• 09/10/2000
• Prospect
• Mid-American

Western Michigan wide receiver Skyy Moore enters the 2022 NFL Draft process as an impressively productive prospect. Moore, a redshirt sophomore, burst onto the scene in 2019 with more than 800 receiving yards as a true freshman in the Broncos offense. He became just the third MAC receiver to be named First-Team All-MAC as a true freshman since 1982. Ever since, he’s been a high volume and big-play target in the passing game, winning on fades from the slot, in-breaking patterns into the teeth of the defense, and on rhythm throws in the RPO game.

I saw a lot of Sterling Shepard of the New York Giants in his game—from his quickness to his release package to his stature and how he wins after the catch. Moore appears to be yet another strong option on day two of the 2022 NFL Draft, which is loaded with quality wide receiver prospects. In order to get the best of Moore’s game, I would like to see him step into a spread offense where he can attack defenses from the slot and use his agility and sharp breaks to snap off separation. When you consider Moore was recruited largely as a two-way athlete with a background in playing both quarterback and defensive back, his film resume becomes even more important. If he’s only scratching the surface of his technical prowess at the position, then the sky could be the limit (no pun intended) for Moore at the NFL level.

Ideal role: Starting slot receiver

Scheme tendencies: Spread offense

FILM EVALUATION

Written by Kyle Crabbs

Games watched: Michigan (2021), Pittsburgh (2021), Northern Illinois (2021), Nevada (2021)

Best Game Studied: Northern Illinois (2021)

Worst Game Studied: Michigan (2021)

Route Running: See Above.

Hands: Moore made a number of impressive catches away from his frame. He snagged a number of throws in traffic over the middle and showed good ability to focus and see the ball all the way into his frame amid contact. He plucked one over the shoulder touchdown that tested the limits of his radius and showed very good hand-eye coordination. This is a plus trait.

Separation: His ability to stack vertically against press is something that offered some mixed results, but he’s got ample skills at the top of his stem to snap quickly off his path and I appreciate how he doesn’t telegraph his breaks. He’s got good speed but even better agility for when he’s got a defender trailing on his inside hip.

Release Package: I really enjoy the instances where he gets to work against press to see his creativity in his releases. He’s not the biggest or strongest, so press corners with length who can get a piece of him have been able to bubble him and ride him and disrupt timing, but his foot-fire and hand usage both allow him to force missed punches.

Run After Catch: I don’t necessarily think from a functional speed standpoint he’s a true burner but he gets plenty of action after the catch. Western Michigan did a good job isolating him in man-to-man coverage and letting his ability to win both at the line of scrimmage and at the top of the route create a high-stress tackle environment. He broke a fair bit of them for chunk gains.

Ball Skills: See above.

Football IQ: See above.

Versatility: Moore handled four career kicks throughout his three seasons but I think this is an area where he could continue to grow and improve and add value. He’s a natural with the ball in his hands and has been schemed touches in the WMU offense courtesy of jet motion, RPO glance routes, quick smoke throws, and more in addition to his resume as a three-level threat.

Competitive Toughness: The contact balance here is impressive. He’ll absorb contact fairly well and play through contact to drag tacklers. He’s built dense and it shows when he’s challenging you with power. He blocks his ass off, too—I’m impressed to see a player of his stature stepping down and sealing defensive flow.

Big-Play Ability: He’s made a lot of big plays and averaged a healthy clip per reception over his career at WMU. That said, I do think he’d benefit a great deal from being a complementary piece of the puzzle. He’ll win his one-on-ones and shows good but not great functional speed in the open field. Good for one tough as nails catch over the middle per game.

SCOUT GRADES

TDN Consensus: 81.75/100 (Second Round Value)

Crabbs Grade: 83.00/100

Marino Grade: 82.00/100

Harris Grade: 79.00/100

Sanchez Grade: 82.50/100

Weissman Grade: 82.00/100

Parson Grade: 82.00/100

View: https://youtu.be/H-iK0l9yAOg


According to these guys he is a slot guy but the Chiefs other two addition correctly observed are mostly slot guys to. I’d imagine Valdés-Scatling will be able to work on the outside with Schuster.

Going to be interesting to see how it plays out for them. I didn’t watch much on prospects this year that I didn’t think were Rams targets but only seen one game of Skii versus my Wolverines and we kept his ass at bay so idk.

In my humble opinion that TE McBride who got picked the next pick would have been a better pick for them long term. That would have been a match up nightmare for opposing defenses, immediately helps out your passing and running game and you can no longer key in on Kelsey. ( or not as much)

If Kyler Murray wasn’t a midget I’d be worried because he’s going to be a fucking beast.

 

[CGI_Ram]

@Corbin McBride is damn interesting. His NFL profile reads boom or bust, with a lot of boom to like. Cardinals may have a player there. Here’s hoping… NOT!

 

[Corbin]

@Corbin McBride is damn interesting. His NFL profile reads boom or bust, with a lot of boom to like. Cardinals may have a player there. Here’s hoping… NOT!

I hear you.

They certainly have a player, as we seen last year with that TE going down hurt them and Ertz started contributing pretty good later after that trade. Judging by those two I predict this fucker is going to beast it up! Going to draft him later in my fantasy leagues.

 

[Merlin]

Chiefs do a great job developing guys and putting them in great situations so I'm sure they'll still have a good offense. They just might drop out of that top five.

Re: Stafford what I love is the low cap hits the next couple years, $13M & $20M, which allows for them to chase more rings. By the time his cap hit is high it's 2024 and things will look much different, which is to say he'll probably still not be in that top group.

Rams are just in a really good place. Their wideout group is significantly improved over this time last year too. They are one of the best units in the league now which was not true prior to signing Odell last year.

 

[FrantikRam]

Having a WR paid like Tyreek along with the best QB in the league may lead to diminishing returns. I have felt that way with the Chiefs offense the past few years. They had (IMO) the best TE ever, the best QB in the league and the fastest player in the league who happens to be a top WR.

It'll hurt them in certain situations, but I would be willing to bet the Chiefs end up better overall this year. They were able to really upgrade their defense in part because of that trade.

 

[CGI_Ram]

Having a WR paid like Tyreek along with the best QB in the league may lead to diminishing returns. I have felt that way with the Chiefs offense the past few years. They had (IMO) the best TE ever, the best QB in the league and the fastest player in the league who happens to be a top WR.

It'll hurt them in certain situations, but I would be willing to bet the Chiefs end up better overall this year. They were able to really upgrade their defense in part because of that trade.

They DID use the trade and draft to help the team in other areas. That should help them, and no doubt they see the move as an upgrade as you’ve said.

But, with $14M in cap, it feels like there is/was some jam available to do more at WR.