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Anyone remember the rumors before the 2015 Draft? Jeff Fisher reportedly wanted to draft Ereck Flowers to be the Robin to Greg Robinson's Batman. Flowers was another supremely talented athlete with all the physical tools who had atrocious technique and a poor understanding of how to play the position. Anyways, the Giants were gracious enough to draft him one spot before us, and we ended up landing Todd Gurley. For your viewing pleasure, here's Ereck Flowers showing us how to whiff on three blocks on a single play (look at the LT, #74):

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Wow! I remember when the Rams OL looked like that. It's funny when it's another team.
 

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Was thinking about this a few months back. Funny how things change it short measure. To add Jeff Fisher knew shit about o linemen as well did his o line coach. I think he might have been lucky to come across Bruce Matthews.
 

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Was thinking about this a few months back. Funny how things change it short measure. To add Jeff Fisher knew crap about o linemen as well did his o line coach. I think he might have been lucky to come across Bruce Matthews.

The problem with Fisher is that he had some phenomenal OL Coaches in the past. Mike Munchak was his OL Coach for a number of years and is arguably the best OL Coach in the NFL. You could take projects with Munchak because he could turn those guys into quality NFL players. I don't know what happened to Boudreau, but he simply wasn't the same coach he used to be. And his overly complex blocking scheme wasn't working with his declining coaching ability.
 

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I still think he has a future in this league - and I still take him over Peat
 

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I still think he has a future in this league - and I still take him over Peat

Peat has developed into a solid player on the Saints OL at both LG and LT (when needed to step in for Armstead). Flowers hasn't shown the ability to be solid anywhere yet. I'm taking the guy who has shown he can play at this level despite neither having lived up to their draft status.
 

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Only thing I know about draft rumors is not to believe any of them. Mike Silver was in the room that day and saw the Rams draft board.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...arroom-drama-reveals-team-on-a-familiar-track

A couple of weeks before the draft, in an act that was part superstition and part subterfuge, Fisher moved Gurley's player card well below his actual slot on the draft board in the team's war room, placing him in the second-round range. "At that point," Fisher said, "(our interest in him) was on a need-to-know basis."

That set up quite the draft-room scene Thursday: After the Giants selected Miami guard Ereck Flowers with the ninth overall pick, Fisher instructed Sean Gustus, the area scout who'd given the initial grade on Gurley, to put the magnetic card "where it really belongs" on the draft board.

Gustus, Fisher recalled, "tried to stick it on the ceiling," as the scouts, coaches and other team officials in his midst broke out in celebratory laughter.

Predictably, there were no dissenters. Snead, who'd been speaking glowingly about Gurley since the runner's true freshman season, put it thusly: "When you'd pick out a game and watch his film, it was like watching a highlight reel. He just kept doing special things, play after play."

Said Fisher: "If it weren't for the injury, he probably wouldn't be a Ram. Because in everybody's opinion, he was a top two or three pick. When they say running backs don't have value anymore, that's not the case when it's a once-every-10-year back. That was the consensus in the building, and it was basically the consensus around the league."
 

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The problem with Fisher is that he had some phenomenal OL Coaches in the past. Mike Munchak was his OL Coach for a number of years and is arguably the best OL Coach in the NFL. You could take projects with Munchak because he could turn those guys into quality NFL players. I don't know what happened to Boudreau, but he simply wasn't the same coach he used to be. And his overly complex blocking scheme wasn't working with his declining coaching ability.
Yes Muhchak is very good maybe Boudreu rode his coat tails? IDK. Maybe he just got overwhelmed? Man that was a disaster for sure. I will say At least we got 3 of our starters from them sorted out now.
 

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The problem with Fisher is that he had some phenomenal OL Coaches in the past. Mike Munchak was his OL Coach for a number of years and is arguably the best OL Coach in the NFL. You could take projects with Munchak because he could turn those guys into quality NFL players. I don't know what happened to Boudreau, but he simply wasn't the same coach he used to be. And his overly complex blocking scheme wasn't working with his declining coaching ability.

Age and money. The pay is too good for some old coaches who should hang it up, to realise that they don't have the energy mentally or physically to get the job done. Coaching takes a lot of effort. Relating to young players, trying to teach them a new scheme, adapting to the ever changing league. That may be fun but the long hours and the drain would be difficult for most older coaches. Wade is a marvel. Hannifan was pretty old also. He did a good job with GSOT. Boudreau was a good OLine coach once upon a time. It's too bad that Fisher's loyalties didn't allow him to realise that it was time for a change.
 

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The problem with Fisher is that he had some phenomenal OL Coaches in the past. Mike Munchak was his OL Coach for a number of years and is arguably the best OL Coach in the NFL. You could take projects with Munchak because he could turn those guys into quality NFL players. I don't know what happened to Boudreau, but he simply wasn't the same coach he used to be. And his overly complex blocking scheme wasn't working with his declining coaching ability.

Great coaches also make your personnel dept better. Having Munchak sloggin through tape and talkin to the kids in the pre-draft process inevitably assisted in their drafting.

But yeah. Can you imagine having those two buffoons as "bookend tackles?" Holy F.
 

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Oh and don't forget another Fisher favorite: Blackmon. :rolllaugh:

That dude's selection might have made Quick and the wasted round 2 pick an afterthought.
 

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How do you explain Dante Scarneccia? He's getting close to 70 and probably does more with middle of the road talent season after season for decades.
 

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The problem with Fisher is that he had some phenomenal OL Coaches in the past. Mike Munchak was his OL Coach for a number of years and is arguably the best OL Coach in the NFL. You could take projects with Munchak because he could turn those guys into quality NFL players. I don't know what happened to Boudreau, but he simply wasn't the same coach he used to be. And his overly complex blocking scheme wasn't working with his declining coaching ability.
You've hit the nail squarely on the head there @jrry32 - I'm not sure what happened to Bordeau either, the o-line just seemed to get worse, and I honestly don't think it was all down to personnel - I think he was trying too hard to be clever and seriously over complicating things, which didn't help - especially in the development of GRob. I think that's it, he just couldn't develop players.
 

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Oh and don't forget another Fisher favorite: Blackmon. :rolllaugh:

That dude's selection might have made Quick and the wasted round 2 pick an afterthought.

Blackmon, could have been a great WR, he screwed that up himself...
 

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Anyone remember the rumors before the 2015 Draft? Jeff Fisher reportedly wanted to draft Ereck Flowers to be the Robin to Greg Robinson's Batman. Flowers was another supremely talented athlete with all the physical tools who had atrocious technique and a poor understanding of how to play the position. Anyways, the Giants were gracious enough to draft him one spot before us, and we ended up landing Todd Gurley. For your viewing pleasure, here's Ereck Flowers showing us how to whiff on three blocks on a single play (look at the LT, #74):

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Love this clip - looks like he's playing "tag" he almost seems pleased with himself for tapping 3 guys on their backs...
 

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Boudreau seemed to do his best work with veteran players. He was able to piece together retread players like Barry Richardson, Joe Barksdale, Harvey Dahl etc in to a decent line when injuries hit. Didn't seem to raise the level of the youngsters.
I do believe offensive scheme can help the o-line coach too. So for that I feel bad that Bou had to rely on a 3 yards in a cloud of dust offense strategy to make his stuff work.
End of the day, thank god those days are behind us....
 

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Absolute minimal effort

exactly. he was going through the motions. where was he running to? his mind wasn't in the game.

reminds me so much of grob when they showed the head on video. you think to yourself why would he do that, move in that direction?

their minds aren't in the game.

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