So What if We Had Drafted Dan Marino?

[Loyal]

or Jim Kelly in the 1983 NFL Draft? We drafted the great Eric Dickerson in 1983, bypassing Richard Dent, Daryl Green, Kelly and Marino. John Robinson was a ground and pound kind of guy that wouldn't pass up a HOF running back, most likely. But what if we had taken a HOFer QB in 1983? Qould we have won a Super Bowl with him?
"You know I'm picking Marino!" ~ @den-the-coach


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6i1htdkYK4

 

[Rambitious1]

or Jim Kelly in the 1983 NFL Draft? We drafted the great Eric Dickerson in 1983, bypassing Richard Dent, Daryl Green, Kelly and Marino. John Robinson was a ground and pound kind of guy that wouldn't pass up a HOF running back, most likely. But what if we had taken a HOFer QB in 1983? Qould we have won a Super Bowl with him?
"You know I'm picking Marino!" ~ @den-the-coach


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6i1htdkYK4

Yep

 

[Mojo Ram]

I would say YES.
That fucking team up North had Montana and Young. We had Everett who was fine and a bunch of scrubs beyond that.

 

[dieterbrock]

I always get pissed off when they talk about the great QB class of '83. Sure, it was epic and I love all the drama and stories but its amazing how the greatest pure running back in my lifetime gets drafted and barely gets mentioned in "those pieces"

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

The Online was one of the best ever. The run game would have been fine, but would Robinson have been able to utilize a Marino or Kelly to their fullest potential?

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

That draft is a window into the evolution of the league. By today's standards all of those QBs go back to back to back starting with the first pick.

 

[den-the-coach]

"You know I'm picking Marino!" ~ @den-the-coach

The reason Marino dropped in the draft was because there were rumors, he like to party and back in 1983 that meant coke and not the cola variety. When I was in the Air Force I had a close friend that played with Marino at Central Catholic High School in Pittsburgh, he was Junior when Marino started as a freshman, he actually confirmed that like everyone else, Marino did like to party.

Miami gets a gift and Marino was very clean and a model citizen for the Dolphins in every shape, way and form. I guess maybe some of us wish the Rams had traded back up into the first round to grab the Panther alum, however, the 1984 draft might have been one of the worst in their history, but that is because the Rams traded their first four picks of the round.

A first round pick for CB Gary Green, a 2nd Round pick for the rights of WR Ron Brown. A 3rd for TE David Hill (in 83) and the fourth round pick was used to move up with the Oilers to draft Dickerson.

 

[Loyal]

The reason Marino dropped in the draft was because there were rumors, he like to party and back in 1983 that meant coke and not the cola variety. When I was in the Air Force I had a close friend that played with Marino at Central Catholic High School in Pittsburgh, he was Junior when Marino started as a freshman, he actually confirmed that like everyone else, Marino did like to party.

Miami gets a gift and Marino was very clean and a model citizen for the Dolphins in every shape, way and form. I guess maybe some of us wish the Rams had traded back up into the first round to grab the Panther alum, however, the 1984 draft might have been one of the worst in their history, but that is because the Rams traded their first four picks of the round.

A first round pick for CB Gary Green, a 2nd Round pick for the rights of WR Ron Brown. A 3rd for TE David Hill (in 83) and the fourth round pick was used to move up with the Oilers to draft Dickerson.

Paisan hater!

 

[Corbin]

The reason Marino dropped in the draft was because there were rumors, he like to party and back in 1983 that meant coke and not the cola variety. When I was in the Air Force I had a close friend that played with Marino at Central Catholic High School in Pittsburgh, he was Junior when Marino started as a freshman, he actually confirmed that like everyone else, Marino did like to party.

Miami gets a gift and Marino was very clean and a model citizen for the Dolphins in every shape, way and form. I guess maybe some of us wish the Rams had traded back up into the first round to grab the Panther alum, however, the 1984 draft might have been one of the worst in their history, but that is because the Rams traded their first four picks of the round.

A first round pick for CB Gary Green, a 2nd Round pick for the rights of WR Ron Brown. A 3rd for TE David Hill (in 83) and the fourth round pick was used to move up with the Oilers to draft Dickerson.

Can you Imagine if we somehow finagled to draft Marino and Dickerson that draft? F me, that's probably a minimum of 2-3 Super Bowls before dumb ass Shaw fucks things up.

 

[den-the-coach]

Can you Imagine if we somehow finagled to draft Marino and Dickerson that draft? F me, that's probably a minimum of 2-3 Super Bowls before dumb ass Shaw fucks things up.

Rams ran an archaic offense under Robinson & Jimmy Raye. They did not evolve until they hired Ernie Zampese in 1987. Raye left after the 1984 season and then it was a combination of Robinson, RB Coach Bruce Snyder and WR Coach Norv Turner who ran the offense until Zampese arrived.

 

[Corbin]

Rams ran an archaic offense under Robinson & Jimmy Raye. They did not evolve until they hired Ernie Zampese in 1987. Raye left after the 1984 season and then it was a combination of Robinson, RB Coach Bruce Snyder and WR Coach Norv Turner who ran the offense until Zampese arrived.

I’m just spit balling here because that was before my time. Watching Eric’s interviews from back in the day he stated for example in the playoffs against Chicago. If he even had a halfway competent QB that gave a bit of a threat to throw it and the Bears didn’t load the box every play they would have won that game and probably the title.

Even with an archaic offense with Marino you think there was still a possibility?

 

[den-the-coach]

I’m just spit balling here because that was before my time. Watching Eric’s interviews from back in the day he stated for example in the playoffs against Chicago. If he even had a halfway competent QB that gave a bit of a threat to throw it and the Bears didn’t load the box every play they would have won that game and probably the title.

Even with an archaic offense with Marino you think there was still a possibility?

I agree with that assessment. However, Dieter Brock claimed he had the best year of any QB in that offense and he was right. I was shocked when he said it and looked up Ferragamo's year in 83 and Brock's season was better in 85.
Now yes, Marino was a superior talent, but the offense from a passing perspective was not very good. However, if Brock could have completed a slant to Brown in that game, it would have gone the distance. Actually felt in the 2nd half, Robinson should have went to Kemp for his mobility alone, but he stuck with Brock for better or worse and in this game, it was worse.

 

[Allen2McVay]

I’m just spit balling here because that was before my time. Watching Eric’s interviews from back in the day he stated for example in the playoffs against Chicago. If he even had a halfway competent QB that gave a bit of a threat to throw it and the Bears didn’t load the box every play they would have won that game and probably the title.

Just my recollection and opinion.

I loved watching Dickerson run. He was truly great. However, over the past three decades, I have found Dickerson’s comments about the past debate able, at best … and, occasionally, entertaining fantasy.

The Bears 46 Defense always played the run first, and then went to Kill the Quarterback.

They didn’t load-the-box for Dickerson in the 1985 NFC Championship. The box was already loaded. Six of the Bears front Seven were legitimate Pro Bowl players. Three of them were Hall of Famers; and, arguably, it could have been five.

The 1985 Rams’ offensive line had four Pro Bowl players; and the 5th (Irv Pankey) was really good. The Bears defensive front dominated the Rams’ O-Line that awful Sunday, as it did the week before in the Divisional Round and a couple weeks later in the Super Bowl.

If Eric Dickerson thinks the Rams were a ‘halfway competent QB’ away from winning that game, THAT is fantasy world stupid, in my opinion.

Anyway, that’s my memory … and, these days, I can sometimes forget my address … but I would love to hear what some posters who were around in 1985 (but not kids) recall and think.

 

[Corbin]

I agree with that assessment. However, Dieter Brock claimed he had the best year of any QB in that offense and he was right. I was shocked when he said it and looked up Ferragamo's year in 83 and Brock's season was better in 85.
Now yes, Marino was a superior talent, but the offense from a passing perspective was not very good. However, if Brock could have completed a slant to Brown in that game, it would have gone the distance. Actually felt in the 2nd half, Robinson should have went to Kemp for his mobility alone, but he stuck with Brock for better or worse and in this game, it was worse.

Haha saying you are the best in that offense is like saying you are the best midget wrestling team?! lol.

I became a Ram fan in 89’ and didn’t follow/know much about coaching and FO till Vermeil left us after the SB in ‘99 and started paying attention to those things.

 

[Corbin]

Just my recollection and opinion.

I loved watching Dickerson run. He was truly great. However, over the past three decades, I have found Dickerson’s comments about the past debate able, at best … and, occasionally, entertaining fantasy.

The Bears 46 Defense always played the run first, and then went to Kill the Quarterback.

They didn’t load-the-box for Dickerson in the 1985 NFC Championship. The box was already loaded. Six of the Bears front Seven were legitimate Pro Bowl players. Three of them were Hall of Famers; and, arguably, it could have been five.

The 1985 Rams’ offensive line had four Pro Bowl players; and the 5th (Irv Pankey) was really good. The Bears defensive front dominated the Rams’ O-Line that awful Sunday, as it did the week before in the Divisional Round and a couple weeks later in the Super Bowl.

If Eric Dickerson thinks the Rams were a ‘halfway competent QB’ away from winning that game, THAT is fantasy world stupid, in my opinion.

Anyway, that’s my memory … and, these days, I can sometimes forget my address … but I would love to hear what some posters who were around in 1985 (but not kids) recall and think.

Thankyou for that.

The years before my fandom fascinate me especially the 50's-80's and there is always a new player or Coach I never heard of that was part of our organization. I'll have to see if I can dig up that ED interview wherever the hell I seen it as I love watching all the ones I can get a hold of.

But didn't the Bears run the 46 defense which has 8 men in the box? Hence a loaded box?

I’ve followed a lot of posters thoughts on ED and it seems some are unjustly butthurt at him still about the million dollars a season thing. I think a lot has been unfair regarding him however I wasn’t competent then to know things really were to know if he is exaggerating or I haven’t had emotional decisions cemented in my head from him holding etc. as some seem to have.

 

[PhillyRam]

Thankyou for that.

The years before my fandom fascinate me especially the 50's-80's and there is always a new player or Coach I never heard of that was part of our organization. I'll have to see if I can dig up that ED interview wherever the hell I seen it as I love watching all the ones I can get a hold of.

But didn't the Bears run the 46 defense which has 8 men in the box? Hence a loaded box?

I’ve followed a lot of posters thoughts on ED and it seems some are unjustly butthurt at him still about the million dollars a season thing. I think a lot has been unfair regarding him however I wasn’t competent then to know things really were to know if he is exaggerating or I haven’t had emotional decisions cemented in my head from him holding etc. as some seem to have.

He held out in 85' to get a new deal and he got it. Then he got jealous of Everett who came in mid 86' and then wanted another new deal in 87'. He said let John Robinson run the 47 gap play. That was it then for him and he was traded.

I had tickets for the 2nd game of the season in 85' in Philly, and he didn't play because he just ended his hold out late that week.

I still was a fan of his, but he has even said he was too self centered back then.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Thankyou for that.

The years before my fandom fascinate me especially the 50's-80's …

I can definitely offer my opinions and memories from the 1970s and 1980s.

If you want the 1950s you will need to seek out posters like @OldSchool, @den-the-coach or @dieterbrock.

Should you want to go back even further, @Loyal is your man.

 

[AZRams]

I agree with that assessment. However, Dieter Brock claimed he had the best year of any QB in that offense and he was right. I was shocked when he said it and looked up Ferragamo's year in 83 and Brock's season was better in 85.
Now yes, Marino was a superior talent, but the offense from a passing perspective was not very good. However, if Brock could have completed a slant to Brown in that game, it would have gone the distance. Actually felt in the 2nd half, Robinson should have went to Kemp for his mobility alone, but he stuck with Brock for better or worse and in this game, it was worse.

Brock as I recall had no touch. Every throw was coming out of a cannon and with no finesse, nothing guiding it in to the target.

That was an especially bad combo on a blustery day on the shore of Lake Michigan...

 

[den-the-coach]

If you want the 1950s you will need to seek out posters like @OldSchool, @den-the-coach or @dieterbrock.

 

[Loyal]

Just my recollection and opinion.

I loved watching Dickerson run. He was truly great. However, over the past three decades, I have found Dickerson’s comments about the past debate able, at best … and, occasionally, entertaining fantasy.

The Bears 46 Defense always played the run first, and then went to Kill the Quarterback.

They didn’t load-the-box for Dickerson in the 1985 NFC Championship. The box was already loaded. Six of the Bears front Seven were legitimate Pro Bowl players. Three of them were Hall of Famers; and, arguably, it could have been five.

The 1985 Rams’ offensive line had four Pro Bowl players; and the 5th (Irv Pankey) was really good. The Bears defensive front dominated the Rams’ O-Line that awful Sunday, as it did the week before in the Divisional Round and a couple weeks later in the Super Bowl.

If Eric Dickerson thinks the Rams were a ‘halfway competent QB’ away from winning that game, THAT is fantasy world stupid, in my opinion.

Anyway, that’s my memory … and, these days, I can sometimes forget my address … but I would love to hear what some posters who were around in 1985 (but not kids) recall and think.

Age-ist! ~ @Corbin